IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 *wife arrested* #7

[IKnewThisMan]

[QUESTION]
Welcome, IKnewThisMan! Very interested in what you have to say. A couple initial questions:

- What was Joe like, from your viewpoint? Are you as shocked as some of us to hear about all these horrible things he did?
- Did you have suspicions from the start that something wasn't right about his death?
- How is his family holding up (especially the sons)?
- Did you notice Joe acting differently in the months leading up to his death?

TIA and welcome!

[Answer] 1


- Joe at first came off as a very confident man. Slowly this confidence was becoming more apparent as arrogance but because I respected him so much I did not think about it, I excused it thanks to his achievements. I figured he deserved to talk the talk. He was very vulgar, he was pretty offensive, and he knew he could get away with it.
- Well it depends what you mean by right away... The first few hours I believed the story, definitely. I was fooled even after the fake phone call made by the babysitter. I stayed up all night listening to the scanner hoping the "killers" were found. However there were gaps in this period where I questioned what may have happened. With that being said, I believed that suicide was no more or less a possibility than an inside job. A portion of the local community still believes it was an inside job for some odd reason. Even after official documents have been released. Some are still in denial and believe that the government would fake phone records, bank records, police reports, complaints, etc. Of course the government would be capable of this if was something that was linked all the way up to the feds or something ridiculous but I mean.. Come on..
- I can't answer how the sons are holding up.
- I did not. However I have not been in close contact with Joe for at least 6 months.


-EDIT-

Adding to believing it was an inside he had a lot of the locals fooled. I, as well as many others, believed he was the man that was trying to uncover corruption within the local police. Some of us were aware that the local police were under investigation and thought he was killed because he was onto something.

[Clarification]
Fake call made by the babysitter? I must have missed this. What is this about?

[Clarification] 1

A fake phone call was made during the man hunt.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/police-intensify-search-for-suspects-in-fox-lake-cops-murder/

To go into more depth of how long it took me to really accept that it was NOT murder would have to be only a few weeks prior to the recent press conference. Even after the coroner first announced that he could not rule out suicide I was still leaning on the edge of murder by 3 suspects.

 

[marble]

Thanks so much for your detailed replies so far, IKTM. And good on you for taking your web anonymity seriously.

 

[CookieM]

[Answer] 1


- Joe at first came off as a very confident man. Slowly this confidence was becoming more apparent as arrogance but because I respected him so much I did not think about it, I excused it thanks to his achievements. I figured he deserved to talk the talk. He was very vulgar, he was pretty offensive, and he knew he could get away with it.
- Well it depends what you mean by right away... The first few hours I believed the story, definitely. I was fooled even after the fake phone call made by the babysitter. I stayed up all night listening to the scanner hoping the "killers" were found. However there were gaps in this period where I questioned what may have happened. With that being said, I believed that suicide was no more or less a possibility than an inside job. A portion of the local community still believes it was an inside job for some odd reason. Even after official documents have been released. Some are still in denial and believe that the government would fake phone records, bank records, police reports, complaints, etc. Of course the government would be capable of this if was something that was linked all the way up to the feds or something ridiculous but I mean.. Come on..
- I can't answer how the sons are holding up.
- I did not. However I have not been in close contact with Joe for at least 6 months.


-EDIT-

Adding to believing it was an inside he had a lot of the locals fooled. I, as well as many others, believed he was the man that was trying to uncover corruption within the local police. Some of us were aware that the local police were under investigation and thought he was killed because he was onto something.

[Clarification]
Fake call made by the babysitter? I must have missed this. What is this about?

 

[bessie]

Welcome, IKnewThisMan, and all new members and guests!

:welcome5:

​

 

[marble]

[Clarification]
Fake call made by the babysitter? I must have missed this. What is this about?

I think the poster is talking about the woman who placed a false call about seeing the suspects early on in the aftermath.

 

[IKnewThisMan]

[Clarification]
Fake call made by the babysitter? I must have missed this. What is this about?

[Clarification] 1

A fake phone call was made during the man hunt.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/police-intensify-search-for-suspects-in-fox-lake-cops-murder/

To go into more depth of how long it took me to really accept that it was NOT murder would have to be only a few weeks prior to the recent press conference. Even after the coroner first announced that he could not rule out suicide I was still leaning on the edge of murder by 3 suspects.

 

[cady]

[Clarification]
Fake call made by the babysitter? I must have missed this. What is this about?

Was in the news a nanny reported seeing the three suspects. Determined to be a fake allegation. JMO

 

[longlonglake]

QUESTIONS FOR IKnewThisMan

1. Did you ever suspect Joe was capable of serious criminal behavior?
2. How did he treat his wife? How did she treat him?
3. How did he treat his kids?
4. Do you know if he was drinking heavily, using drugs, using anabolic steroids?
5. Did his wife know about his womanizing?
6. How did they get so deeply in debt that Mrs. G owed around $10,000 to credit card companies?
7. Do you know anything about Joe having a membership to and frequenting the Chicago Steamworks, a bath house in Chicago for gay men?
8. Did he ever appear depressed or extremely preoccupied?
9. Did you see or know how he related to the people he worked with on a daily basis?
10. Why do you think people in Fox Lake are so slow to believe accusations against Joe? Why are people afraid to say that he was corrupt? What are they (or you) afraid of? Is there a fear in Fox Lake, of being harmed for saying the wrong thing?

 

[Tillicum]

Question for IKnewThisMan

Were you ever afraid of Joe?

 

[CookieM]

I think the poster is talking about the woman who placed a false call about seeing the suspects early on in the aftermath.

Thank you (and IKnewThisMan) I totally forgot about that! I was worried there was now a babysitter involved in this mess! :crosseyed:

 

[Japple]

[QUESTION]


<modsnip>

-Why did they decide to end that marriage after only a year?

-Did Joe continue the affair after the marriage?

-Anything else that you might know about this arrangement?

 

[cady]

? IKTM does not appear to be on this thread anymore?

 

[Cubby]

Just an outloud thought. It occured to me the sham marriage may have been a means to attempt to repay borrowed/stolen Explorer monies.

 

[IKnewThisMan]

[Question] 2

QUESTIONS FOR IKnewThisMan

1. Did you ever suspect Joe was capable of serious criminal behavior?
2. How did he treat his wife? How did she treat him?
3. How did he treat his kids?
4. Do you know if he was drinking heavily, using drugs, using anabolic steroids?
5. Did his wife know about his womanizing?
6. How did they get so deeply in debt that Mrs. G owed around $10,000 to credit card companies?
7. Do you know anything about Joe having a membership to and frequenting the Chicago Steamworks, a bath house in Chicago for gay men?
8. Did he ever appear depressed or extremely preoccupied?
9. Did you see or know how he related to the people he worked with on a daily basis?
10. Why do you think people in Fox Lake are so slow to believe accusations against Joe? Why are people afraid to say that he was corrupt? What are they (or you) afraid of? Is there a fear in Fox Lake, of being harmed for saying the wrong thing?

[Answer] 2

1. No.. No way. I looked up to him. There were times where I talked to him and I was almost disappointed in myself knowing I would not achieve as much "badass" things as he did. It was too late. I was too old. So when his son joined the military and I lost a lot of my contact with him but continued to talk to him I was a little envious of how proud he was of his son. I legitimately thought that although he was a very "tough" suck it up type of guy, and most likely that type of father in private situations regarding discipline or support, he seemed like a great man. I cried when he died. Multiple times. I cried again when the manhunt was discontinued. Then I cried again when after the manhunt the case kept getting colder. I respected him, even though he seemed a bit arrogant, and I felt awful for DJ. I felt terrible for the entire family of course but I was closest to those two and their relationship looked like something special. A very proud father motivating his kid with support while the kid (DJ) worked hard to impress his father as well as achieve greatness. There's a poster child type of relationship that involves a well dressed well mannered father kneeling on one knee rubbing his kids head after missing the game winning goal and then there was this poster child type of relationship where it was a hard and proud father boxing with his son and when the son finally knocked the father down the dad gets up and says he's proud of him. (A bit of a rant but I think it shows why I respected him and what I thought of him. Why I did not see any of this coming)
2. I couldn't tell you what happened behind closed doors. But any time he spoke negatively of his wife I always assumed it was casual conversation. You know the typical man venting? "Agh the ol' ball 'n' chain" Except his went a little further and he would say "she's a lazy piece of $&l%" (when talking about lifting weights, running, competing, etc) I know that there has been some discussion here regarding his wife's weight but I do not think that was the primary reason for his actions against women or adultery. I feel narcissism and general unhappiness plays a bigger role.
3. Outside looking in, see number 1. (Primary interactions I've had involved only DJ and his father) I can't speak for the rest and will say no more regarding the other sons simply because I wouldn't want anything to be taken out of context by anyone who reads this, media, or the sons themselves. Please note, that this does not mean he's said or done anything negative that I'm aware of regarding the other sons.
4. I do not know of any excessive alcohol or drug use. Anabolic steroids I highly doubt. Who knows though, he may have fooled me right?
5. Not that I'm aware of.
6. Wasn't aware of any financial issues within the family.
7. No? This is the first time I'm hearing of this. Can you provide a link?
8. Extremely depressed? Never when I saw him. He was always very charismatic, energized, and honestly to some probably a little obnoxious. However if by pre-occupation you mean tuned out mentally I can't really say he has. If by pre-occupied you mean heavily focused on himself, his physique, his fitness, and achieving as many medals as he can in the spartan and tough mudder races.. Yes.
9. Not intimately but the officers I have spoke with prior and after the "murder" but before the suicide announcement spoke highly of him.
10. No, I don't believe there is a fear of being harmed, I would just prefer to stay out of the spotlight as it not only protects me but also allows me to speak my mind without worrying that the communities opinion of me will influence my responses. Back to the first part I think people are struggling to accept that our little town of Fox Lake that we joke as just a little alcoholic hick town can have one of those that we trusted was actually almost stabbing us in the back. He was always around and not shy to talk to anyone. He basically just had us all fooled. I'll have to talk to a few more people about this and try to analyze their responses. I'm not sure what it is. Maybe it's easier to hate the federal government than it is a local "hero"?

 

[IKnewThisMan]

[Question] 3
Question for IKnewThisMan

Were you ever afraid of Joe?

[Answer] 3

Nope, I was never scared of him. I actually almost accepted an offer to go shooting with him.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Was DJ forced to marry her?

Based upon the post with picture on the previous thread, I'm afraid the little ones may be JG's. The medical coverage was probably the major draw for the scam.
Speculation on my part accompanied by a strong feeling.

(i.b.nora, I'm pretty sure you provided the link to the picture. Believe it was related or linked to the Volo Auto Museum site.)

 

[FindHG]

[Answer] 2

1. No.. No way. I looked up to him. There were times where I talked to him and I was almost disappointed in myself knowing I would not achieve as much "badass" things as he did. It was too late. I was too old. So when his son joined the military and I lost a lot of my contact with him but continued to talk to him I was a little envious of how proud he was of his son. I legitimately thought that although he was a very "tough" suck it up type of guy, and most likely that type of father in private situations regarding discipline or support, he seemed like a great man. I cried when he died. Multiple times. I cried again when the manhunt was discontinued. Then I cried again when after the manhunt the case kept getting colder. I respected him, even though he seemed a bit arrogant, and I felt awful for DJ. I felt terrible for the entire family of course but I was closest to those two and their relationship looked like something special. A very proud father motivating his kid with support while the kid (DJ) worked hard to impress his father as well as achieve greatness. There's a poster child type of relationship that involves a well dressed well mannered father kneeling on one knee rubbing his kids head after missing the game winning goal and then there was this poster child type of relationship where it was a hard and proud father boxing with his son and when the son finally knocked the father down the dad gets up and says he's proud of him. (A bit of a rant but I think it shows why I respected him and what I thought of him. Why I did not see any of this coming)
2. I couldn't tell you what happened behind closed doors. But any time he spoke negatively of his wife I always assumed it was casual conversation. You know the typical man venting? "Agh the ol' ball 'n' chain" Except his went a little further and he would say "she's a lazy piece of $&l%" (when talking about lifting weights, running, competing, etc) I know that there has been some discussion here regarding his wife's weight but I do not think that was the primary reason for his actions against women or adultery. I feel narcissism and general unhappiness plays a bigger role.
3. Outside looking in, see number 1. (Primary interactions I've had involved only DJ and his father) I can't speak for the rest and will say no more regarding the other sons simply because I wouldn't want anything to be taken out of context by anyone who reads this, media, or the sons themselves. Please note, that this does not mean he's said or done anything negative that I'm aware of regarding the other sons.
4. I do not know of any excessive alcohol or drug use. Anabolic steroids I highly doubt. Who knows though, he may have fooled me right?
5. Not that I'm aware of.
6. Wasn't aware of any financial issues within the family.
7. No? This is the first time I'm hearing of this. Can you provide a link?
8. Extremely depressed? Never when I saw him. He was always very charismatic, energized, and honestly to some probably a little obnoxious. However if by pre-occupation you mean tuned out mentally I can't really say he has. If by pre-occupied you mean heavily focused on himself, his physique, his fitness, and achieving as many medals as he can in the spartan and tough mudder races.. Yes.
9. Not intimately but the officers I have spoke with prior and after the "murder" but before the suicide announcement spoke highly of him.
10. No, I don't believe there is a fear of being harmed, I would just prefer to stay out of the spotlight as it not only protects me but also allows me to speak my mind without worrying that the communities opinion of me will influence my responses. Back to the first part I think people are struggling to accept that our little town of Fox Lake that we joke as just a little alcoholic hick town can have one of those that we trusted was actually almost stabbing us in the back. He was always around and not shy to talk to anyone. He basically just had us all fooled. I'll have to talk to a few more people about this and try to analyze their responses. I'm not sure what it is. Maybe it's easier to hate the federal government than it is a local "hero"?

Thank you for taking the time. I hope things work out for the best for all the innocent folks who were caught up in his scheming and for the community as well.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I've read so many pages today and just realized that I have to go back and review all the threads before I can fully grasp this situation. As it is, as I'm sure it is with you all, I'm sad and angry all over every time something new pops up.

Thanks to all of you who have kept these threads moving along in true Websleuths fashion. I especially appreciate those of you who have begun work on the Media Thread. I'm away from home and I'm operating off a very slow and quirky laptop. Once I get back to my other computer, I have to add this case to my bookmarks and start my summaries of characters involved.

I have a feeling that the tentacles of this highly complex investigation will lead in many different directions and the whispers and gossip at Fox Lake will come to life, possibly in the courtroom for some. Ms. Marrin thought she was simply putting the village's affairs in order and opened a hornet's nest. It will encompass more than Gliniewicz, I am sure. In fact, by the end of her "putting the village in order" and this over-all investigation could well expose other areas of local government aside from the police.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Just an outloud thought. It occured to me the sham marriage may have been a means to attempt to repay borrowed/stolen Explorer monies.

I'm not sure this idea fits because most of the benefits from having dependents are not received in cash so-to-speak. There is some increased pay allotted for food and general living I guess but the main perks are medical, larger housing or housing allowance (not paid directly but paid to the landlord or post housing management people). So, there is some additional money but not that much more to risk this fraud imo.
The housing office would have a document showing the dependents and eventually your fellow soldiers would wonder why you are living in the two or three bedroom house without a wife or children visible. If living on Post, people are nosy too.
How many years has or had DJ served by (forgot month) 2013?
Because, iirc, a single soldier starting out is required to live on Post in barracks.
Yes, look under Unaccompanied Housing Quarters.
http://www.military.com/money/pcs-dity-move/living-on-base.html

Here is a link to 2013 Basic Pay for all ranks. The chart showing extra pay based on the number of dependents isn't coming up easily. I tried to find a chart showing the pay difference. Maybe those charts are revealed to an applicant.
http://www.military-money-matters.c...-military-pay-chart-active-duty-basic-pay.pdf

 

[i.b.nora]

Lets just leave the minors out of it until we know more.