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Joe was no hero. He was never in combat. He never saved anyone's life that I know of.
All JMO.
I keep flip flopping between him single-handidly running money generating schemes and becoming GI-Joe to the public VS other KEY people that may have been involved as well and used him as their point man to get to the funds.
They may have allowed him to be put on a pedestal to keep the focus on him and away from themselves if anything ever went down like it has. Like Good Job Joe. Your doing great. Keep it up and keep the money rolling.
What could point to the latter?
1 - Cocaine in desk?
This is a little too ridiculous to me.
If he was using, there is no way he would just leave that there in his desk like that.
And especially if he had an elaborate plan to off himself. I doubt he would leave that in his desk or forget it was there. It seems to me that it was purposely placed there and I am not convinced he put it there.
If he was going to frame that other person he again would just not leave it there.
Could someone else have put it there to add fuel to the fire to make sure all the focus is on him? Its possible IMO.
2 - The big parade procession.
Before he was outed, if higher ups were involved in his schemes, they too would want the focus on him being GI-Joe that can do no wrong and maybe were hoping that the mystery of his death would just remain a mystery forever. Throw him a big shin-dig. Parade over, murderers never are found, and things die down. Story goes away and nobody finds out about funds being missing. End of Story.
3 - Death ruled Suicide changed everything---Have to now throw him under bus.
If others are involved, every piece of dirt needs to be thrown at him to keep focus on him.
Notice how quick the information is now coming.
Was this good investigative work done super quick OR did they know all along about these things because some were tied in.
Things like the death threats/framing of others, his son's sham wedding for benefits, etc.
Have to get as much dirt on him out there to keep focus on him and nobody else.
Did they go too far with the Cocaine in his drawer?
And notice it is ALL at him and his family only. Notice they are only outing him and his family. Gotta throw them under bus and keep focus there. What about higher ups or people he reported to?
I realize a lot of this is pure speculation but it does make you wonder where this stops. It seems too large to stop with just him single handidly doing everything.
The bottom line is there is no doubt Joe was involved in lots of dirty dealings. The question now becomes whether other non-family were involved in some of his dealings.
And if so, will we ever find out. The people doing the investigating maybe some of the same people tied to things OR they may get pressure not to say anything.
After reflecting on Lt.Gliniewicz's personnel records,a few thoughts...
Take a party town north of Chicago that's basically all about bars,boats,bikinis,getting drunk and getting laid.
Add a young cop with a military background,and then.....a couple of years later on a on quiet morning in September there's a horrific terrorist attack.In the days and months that followed,every Cop,Firefighter and Soldier in the United States became heroes.... rock stars.
That's a huge Easter basket full of temptation folks.
I've known a few cops in my time and a few cop's wives too.I'm not particularly surprised that Officer Gliniewicz spent a bit too much time getting drunk and chasing tail.
Putting these two posts together to ask a question.
I'm coming from behind because I ran out of steam last night.
No argument from me in some geo areas LE is being worked to the bone these days and can become disgusted with people in general. It isn't surprising or hard to understand why they may suffer from low moral, burn out and PTSD. That's one side of the story for sure imo.
Seriously though what did JG ever do to make him stand out as a hero?
I read the 132 pages and know there are more pages but being helpful by setting up smooth parking patterns and treating someone in need kindly (stranded man who had flat tire) are hardly actions worthy of hero status.
Also, a cop who was nowhere near the targeted areas during 9-11 isn't going to suffer the same way those who were directly in the line of fire might.
If someone is morally corrupt but rushes into a dangerous situation to save a life, they are a hero in that instance because they acted bravely and selflessly. When they go to their mistress for comfort or whatever it doesn't diminish the singular heroic act imo. The mistress or lateness/drinking too much part diminishes the trustworthiness of the whole person though imo. If I was drowning, I wouldn't shout out, 'because you're a cheater, you can't be the one to save me'. lol!
My question is, was JG ever truly a hero? Did he face real combat as a soldier?
Another thing I learned per one of the 132 pages, the ticket quota thing is true.
I'd heard of that before and think it is a dumb demand. Signed, a civilian.
He didn't have a good role model for a father,other than that I don't have much sympathy for D.J.Gliniewicz and whatever happens with his Army career.
He knowingly accepted money from the Explorers funds to take vacations and repair his truck.He also benefited more from the sham marriage than his father's mistress did.
D.J. Gliniewicz knowingly appeared at multiple benefits and accepted money from caring people knowing full well of the behind the scenes dirt.When your undeserving father has a funeral worthy of a United States President,your sense of reality might suffer a bit.
I quoted an earlier post of mine here above yours that may explain my thoughts.Right around the time September 11th occured,Joe Glieniewicz was just hitting his stride as a young Police Officer.Think back to those days....A lot of American flags everywhere and all Cops,Firefighters and Soldiers were considered heroes.Probably opened a few doors for him here and there,but did he actually do anything normally thought of as heroic beyond the usual sacrifices our Firefighters,Cops and Soldiers make in their careers???
Good question WBG.
Joe was no hero. He was never in combat. He never saved anyone's life that I know of.
All JMO.
I keep flip flopping between him single-handidly running money generating schemes and becoming GI-Joe to the public VS other KEY people that may have been involved as well and used him as their point man to get to the funds.
They may have allowed him to be put on a pedestal to keep the focus on him and away from themselves if anything ever went down like it has. Like Good Job Joe. Your doing great. Keep it up and keep the money rolling.
What could point to the latter?
1 - Cocaine in desk?
This is a little too ridiculous to me.
If he was using, there is no way he would just leave that there in his desk like that.
And especially if he had an elaborate plan to off himself. I doubt he would leave that in his desk or forget it was there. It seems to me that it was purposely placed there and I am not convinced he put it there.
If he was going to frame that other person he again would just not leave it there.
Could someone else have put it there to add fuel to the fire to make sure all the focus is on him? Its possible IMO.
2 - The big parade procession.
Before he was outed, if higher ups were involved in his schemes, they too would want the focus on him being GI-Joe that can do no wrong and maybe were hoping that the mystery of his death would just remain a mystery forever. Throw him a big shin-dig. Parade over, murderers never are found, and things die down. Story goes away and nobody finds out about funds being missing. End of Story.
3 - Death ruled Suicide changed everything---Have to now throw him under bus.
If others are involved, every piece of dirt needs to be thrown at him to keep focus on him.
Notice how quick the information is now coming.
Was this good investigative work done super quick OR did they know all along about these things because some were tied in.
Things like the death threats/framing of others, his son's sham wedding for benefits, etc.
Have to get as much dirt on him out there to keep focus on him and nobody else.
Did they go too far with the Cocaine in his drawer?
And notice it is ALL at him and his family only. Notice they are only outing him and his family. Gotta throw them under bus and keep focus there. What about higher ups or people he reported to?
I realize a lot of this is pure speculation but it does make you wonder where this stops. It seems too large to stop with just him single handidly doing everything.
The bottom line is there is no doubt Joe was involved in lots of dirty dealings. The question now becomes whether other non-family were involved in some of his dealings.
And if so, will we ever find out. The people doing the investigating maybe some of the same people tied to things OR they may get pressure not to say anything.
I agree with just about everything you have said here. The cocaine in the desk just feels like someone is shoving it in our faces, see! See how crooked he was. I don't doubt that he was not a good person and had faults but that just seems so ridiculously odd... especially given how he died. It would seem there had to be SOME planning involved (otherwise why delete emails and texts?), I just can't see someone strategically staging his suicide to look like a murder... leaving behind cocaine in his desk. Wouldn't that cast some suspicion? I would think it would... and he was planning on going out as a hero.
My sense is that Behan was DEFINITELY involved. Someone else pointed out that prior to Behan becoming chief, the other chiefs kept him kind of in check (or held him more accountable for his actions). Seems he had a friend in Behan... and I'm guessing other cops on the force. My husband grew up in the area and that police department has always been crooked.
ETA: These are all just my thoughts, opinions, and observations...
Great posts Hatfield and ~Demeter~
I don't know how much of what you're saying that I agree with,but the cocaine conviently popping up doesn't smell right.
The general public is also locked into Glieniewicz planting things and ordering a hit.That's the story MSMedia's running with.The task force,it was Chris Covelli I believe who stated the "hit" deal was a "theory" that might fit.
Gliniewitz was clearly uninhibited and way over the top in many situations including social media and texting.We may never know if Anne Marrin was truely in danger or if Gliniewicz was being the facetious over the top jerk he so often appeared to be.
Great posts Hatfield and ~Demeter~
I don't know how much of what you're saying that I agree with,but the cocaine conviently popping up doesn't smell right.
The general public is also locked into Glieniewicz planting things and ordering a hit.That's the story MSMedia's running with.The task force,it was Chris Covelli I believe who stated the "hit" deal was a "theory" that might fit.
Gliniewitz was clearly uninhibited and way over the top in many situations including social media and texting.We may never know if Anne Marrin was truely in danger or if Gliniewicz was being the facetious over the top jerk he so often appeared to be.
I quoted an earlier post of mine here above yours that may explain my thoughts.Right around the time September 11th occured,Joe Glieniewicz was just hitting his stride as a young Police Officer.Think back to those days....A lot of American flags everywhere and all Cops,Firefighters and Soldiers were considered heroes.Probably opened a few doors for him here and there,but did he actually do anything normally thought of as heroic beyond the usual sacrifices our Firefighters,Cops and Soldiers make in their careers???
Good question WBG.
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"ALL" minor children are off limits! Let's not go down that road!
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1985 + 8 = 1993.
1985 + 16 = 2001.
Half of 32 is 16.
One Quarter of 32 is 8.
Etc., etc., and so forth.
No, but children should be referred to only in the most general terms. Beware of posts which will open the door to mention of a specific child.Am I understanding that we are not to even consider the possibility that children might have been also victimized in all of this?