Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

[iamnotagolem]

Hopefully they can track down that 2016 Ford Focus. I don’t imagine it would be difficult as long as it’s not been totaled out since then. There would certainly be a lot of evidence in that vehicle.

I'm pretty sure he still owned it and it was towed. It was posted the day it was towed, I'll see if I can find the link for you.

eta: link Found Deceased - IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - #153 *ARREST - Richard Allen*

 

[Justice101]

AS i stated in my earlier post I believe they have RA dead to rights guilty. They used the 40cal for probable cause to charge him. When it comes closer to trial I feel more substatnial evidence against him will come out. IE boot prints,his dna on victims, victims dna on his clothes.

THIS!!!!!

 

[photographer4]

So why couldn't he explain it to LE?

We have two or three options here that I can think of:
1. He was there at some point, but not during the commission of the crime?
2. Someone has gone to the trouble of framing him (Who? Why?)
3. He might by lying and or screwed?

 

[Gemmie]

He had bullets in his jacket from the last time he fired it at the range. Maybe it fell out of his jacket while he was walking down the trail and one of the girls picked it up and had it on her when she was murdered?

S&BBMFF.

Her fingerprints would be on it if so.

 

[asyousay]

I am amazed his family are standing by him because on paper it’s all way to coincidental at the moment.


1) He admits to be out there
2) He owns similar clothes
3) His Gun’s Bullet found by the bodies
4) Car was spotted and parked up



The most creepy thing about the entire crime to me is the fact his daughter has a passing resemblance to Libby. That I can’t wrap my head around.


IMO

 

[Megnut]

Hands in pockets.

I vote: to hide latex gloves. MOO

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

I'm just gobsmacked that so many witnesses, video of him, surveillance of his vehicle at CPS, people describing his car at CPS, him admitting to being there, wearing the same clothes, and it took 5.5 years. This is just shocking. How?

I just don't understand how it took this long?

+1.

 

[LammyTheRobot]

I don't know that he lied. I think he was worried about it identifying the witnesses in the matter which is understandable. In regards to others possibly being involved, there is a chance that someone was there that day intentionally to grab one of the kids (or both).

Nooo come on. Last week McLeland said to the judge, part of the rationale behind sealing the PCA was that there are others involved it could tip off. It clearly doesn’t do that….

 

[photographer4]

I can think of several. EX: Real perp found the bullet on the trails, left it at the scene to frame someone else.

What I CAN'T think of is why RA would cycle the gun at the murder scene (presumably AFTER the bodies were moved, because it was less than 2' away), leave the bullet there, not ditch the gun afterward, and then admit he never loaned it out to anyone else.

I believe RA IS BG, but this bullet sounds very fishy. My opinion of course

Could the bullet being at the scene, which appears to belong to his gun be why they think others may be involved? Is it possible that in fact, he discharged that unspent bullet somewhere entirely other than at the crime scene, and someone picked it up and eventually placed it at the scene? It seems a lot of trouble to go through to frame a man for a murder he had no part in, and I cannot fathom who or why someone would bother really?? But is that going to be what the defense now argues??

 

[Prime8]

Based on this PCA alone (I know LE has more), reasonable doubt would be... what about this person dressed all in black? Is that the guy in the second, younger sketch? Because how does someone mistake black jeans with blue jeans? Just a random thought...

Human memory is very inaccurate. It's actually very common, the brain fills in details that you don't remember. I've was in a "group experiment" at a Crime Con event and it was crazy how many of us "witnesses" saw things that weren't correct.

 

[Gemmie]

I can’t seem to find a page 8.

Anyone???

Nope. Not yet. I'm guessing it might have just been all signatures and such.

 

[Havingacrisis]

But this new PCA states that clothing from both victims was found in the creek (paraphrasing).

I overlooked this, thanks

Perhaps he targeted both or one, and either way ended up killing both. Regardless I do believe this pca heavily implies this was targeted and premeditated

 

[Megnut]

Why the delay? Possibly investigators couldn't get warrants signed. Not until his most recent interview when he for all intents and purposes admitted to being the last person to see the girls.

And then a waterfall of warrants -- for car, home, weapon, phone, arrest.

JMO

 

[SuziQ]

OK not sure if this worst case scenario but if this is all they have its pretty weak. I think he definitely 100% did it but a conviction with just this is going to be tough.

Also we should have been where we are now in 2017 i think hiding this was is part of the desire to keep things seal. The idea that the prosecutor think someone else is involved seems to be fiction based in this PCA. NEVER just take LEs word for it.

Prosecutors never show all their cards until they have to. They will put the absolute minimum needed in a PCA. Imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

From the RA document found at the following link:

Judge issues gag order following release of redacted court docs in arrest of Richard Allen for Delphi murders

The documents detail what led to a murder charge against Richard Allen in the killings of Libby German and Abby Williams.

www.wthr.com

"...Richard M. Allen did kill another human being, to wit: Victim 1; while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of Victim 1"!!!???

Wait, so ABBY was the target of the kidnapping??? I'm asking because in the Probable Cause for RA that was just released, they call LG Victim as evidenced by this statement in the doc: "The video recovered from Victim 2's phone..." and we know LG had a phone, and AW did not. What the what?

RA was charged with murder of both girls. I cannot see anything on that link differentiating charges pertaining to victim 1 versus victim 2. Where are you seeing that on your link?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Can someone link me to the PCA? It's not on the media thread yet.

ETA: I found it, sorry!

This is the cleanest copy I've seen so far

Judge issues gag order following release of redacted court docs in arrest of Richard Allen for Delphi murders

The documents detail what led to a murder charge against Richard Allen in the killings of Libby German and Abby Williams.

www.wthr.com

 

[Yellow Rose]

Judge UNSEALS probable cause affidavit in Delphi Bridge murders case

One of the Delphi Bridge murder victims shouted 'gun' as she spotted her killer approach her and her friend on February 13, 2017, a newly unsealed probable cause document reveals.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Megnut]

While the trip to the bridge may have indeed felt spontaneous to L's sister, L may have been angling for it because she may have been catfished to believe something good was going to happen at the bridge.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

Well to be fair there is absolutely nothing to suggest he didn’t act alone.

We can now see why he was arrested and it’s not because he was in cahoots with KAK for example.

If he wasn't talking with KAK or the kids, then the kids must be super unlucky - they were talking with KAK (perv) online and then they end up dead.

 

[Gemmie]

From the RA document found at the following link:

Judge issues gag order following release of redacted court docs in arrest of Richard Allen for Delphi murders

The documents detail what led to a murder charge against Richard Allen in the killings of Libby German and Abby Williams.

www.wthr.com

"...Richard M. Allen did kill another human being, to wit: Victim 1; while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of Victim 1"!!!???

Wait, so ABBY was the target of the kidnapping??? I'm asking because in the Probable Cause for RA that was just released, they call LG Victim as evidenced by this statement in the doc: "The video recovered from Victim 2's phone..." and we know LG had a phone, and AW did not. What the what?

You know, I was wondering how they come up with numbering victims. Maybe the one closest to where they are is #1? Can anyone explain this, please? TIA!!