IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #164

[Tealgrove]

If it was planned I do think not related to Kline, who was a seperate and weirdly more benign.
Libby had "Yellow (Yubo)" on her phone, nicknamed Tinder for teens which is/was more dangerous than Snapchat, Instagram, and Kik all of which she had.
She had dangerous exposure on the internet so it seems likely there could be two or more seperate potential perpetrators from that exposure who posed a threat.

For the longest time I was convinced that KAK was involved. Even after the arrest of RA I went searching to see if I could link the two and I really couldn’t without stretching.

What are the odds of Libby being catfished by a predator only to come face to face with another predator who ended up murdering her?

As time went on I have come to the conclusion ((MOO)) that KAK inserted himself into the Delphi investigation once he realized that LE was on to him and hoped he could swing a better deal for himself. I think he strung LE along for the longest time until LE realized they had been played.

Unless something shows up in these unsealed Documents to say otherwise, I do not believe KAK is involved in the murders of Abby and Libby.

JMO MOO etc etc

 

[MichMan015]

I will hold judgement on KK until I know more!!

 

[helpfulcharlie]

So, have the documents been unsealed?

The best bellweather for knowing when the documents have been unsealed is the page count on this thread. If next time you refresh the page numbers have gone up by 10 or more, you know they're out there.

 

[Niner]

The best bellweather for knowing when the documents have been unsealed is the page count on this thread. If next time you refresh the page numbers have gone up by 10 or more, you know they're out there.

YES! That is what I am afraid of....

 

[StarryStarryNight]

For the longest time I was convinced that KAK was involved. Even after the arrest of RA I went searching to see if I could link the two and I really couldn’t without stretching.

What are the odds of Libby being catfished by a predator only to come face to face with another predator who ended up murdering her?

As time went on I have come to the conclusion ((MOO)) that KAK inserted himself into the Delphi investigation once he realized that LE was on to him and hoped he could swing a better deal for himself. I think he strung LE along for the longest time until LE realized they had been played.

Unless something shows up in these unsealed Documents to say otherwise, I do not believe KAK is involved in the murders of Abby and Libby.

JMO MOO etc etc

I agree.
Also the fact that no one else has been charged eight months after RA’s arrest. Not KAK. Not nobody. And RA is ratting on himself but apparently not anyone else.
Just my thoughts, but I think the prosecution spouted out about other people being involved simply to seal documents and stifle talk.(it’s the Indiana way).
And speaking of improperly sealed documents…where are they?
Or to paraphrase Admiral Nimitz’s message to Admiral Halsey in WW2 “Where (are the Delphi documents), the world wonders”.

 

[TL4S]

For the longest time I was convinced that KAK was involved. Even after the arrest of RA I went searching to see if I could link the two and I really couldn’t without stretching.

What are the odds of Libby being catfished by a predator only to come face to face with another predator who ended up murdering her?

As time went on I have come to the conclusion ((MOO)) that KAK inserted himself into the Delphi investigation once he realized that LE was on to him and hoped he could swing a better deal for himself. I think he strung LE along for the longest time until LE realized they had been played.

Unless something shows up in these unsealed Documents to say otherwise, I do not believe KAK is involved in the murders of Abby and Libby.

JMO MOO etc etc

I don't know if KAK was involved or not, but I do believe LE thought he was, at least at one point. The WISH TV reporter, Demie Johnson, told MS podcast that from her LE sources:

"Who else are they looking at? Because I was told, in the very beginning, when I learned about Kegan Kline, that he’s not the guy, he just knows who it is, or is part of it. So, to me it’s like who do they know it is, or who do they think it is, and why can’t they go after that person? What’s missing?"

The Delphi Murders: A Conversation with Journalist Demie Johnson

Maybe that all changed with the arrest of RA, IDK.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

From the Murder Sheet folks:

”Here's a quick document update. We just got off the phone with a member of the Judge's staff. She has been busy with a trial this week and so she has not had the time to go through the documents as quickly as she hoped. Early next week is looking more likely. It is terribly important they do this right and so we support them taking as much time as they need.”

Bah. Humbug.

 

[TL4S]

From the Murder Sheet folks:

”Here's a quick document update. We just got off the phone with a member of the Judge's staff. She has been busy with a trial this week and so she has not had the time to go through the documents as quickly as she hoped. Early next week is looking more likely. It is terribly important they do this right and so we support them taking as much time as they need.”

Bah. Humbug.

C'est la vie. It's easy for me to forget that there ARE other cases in Indiana right now...

 

[StarryStarryNight]

C'est la vie. It's easy for me to forget that there ARE other cases in Indiana right now...

I’m not surprised.
But if they had done it right the first time we wouldn’t be waiting.

 

[FrostedGlass]

From the Murder Sheet folks:

”Here's a quick document update. We just got off the phone with a member of the Judge's staff. She has been busy with a trial this week and so she has not had the time to go through the documents as quickly as she hoped. Early next week is looking more likely. It is terribly important they do this right and so we support them taking as much time as they need.”

Bah. Humbug.

I hope all this bated breath I've been waiting with doesn't cause me some kind of permeant brain fog or something.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Update:

06/22/2023

Order Issued Comes now the Court and having communicated with the parties on Defendant Allen's Motion for Order on Continuing Disclosure of Defendant's Mental Health Records, now grants said Motion and orders the Indiana Department of Corrections and/or any other departments, law enforcement agencies, and/or individuals assuming jurisdiction over the care and custody of Richard M. Allen to release to Attorney Bradley A. Rozzi and/or Andrew Baldwin, upon the written request or either, any and all mental health records associated with Richard M. Allen, without the necessity of the execution of consents and/or waivers by Defendant Allen or his agents Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Order Signed: 06/16/2023

06/22/2023

Order Issued Defendant appears in person and with counsel, Bradley Rozzi and Andrew Baldwin. State by Prosecuting Attorney Nicholas McLeland. Court is informed by Counsel that the hearing on defendant's Motion to Suppress needs to be continued to be reset once defense counsel files its notice of omissions/inaccuracies. Hearing conducted on defendant's Motion to Reconsider Safekeeping Order. Evidence and arguments of counsel taken under advisement. Defendant's Motion for Temporary Restraining Order on Department of Correction Use of Cameras and Request for Preliminary Injunction to pend as the Department of Correction has stopped remote filming attorney meetings with defendant. Court grants defendant's Motion for Order on Continuing Disclosure of Defendant's Mental Health Records under separate order. Ex Parte Motions heard and concluded. Counsel will submit Ex Parte pleading under seal for the Court to consider. Court will issue a separate, detailed order on the sealed pleadings which will be unsealed by agreement of Counsel. Jury trial ordered set January 8-26, 2024, with jury selection to be conducted in Allen County, Indiana, and trial to be conducted in Carroll County, Indiana. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Order Signed: 06/20/2023

 

[ArianeEmory]

I hope all this bated breath I've been waiting with doesn't cause me some kind of permeant brain fog or something.

The fact that you didn’t spell it “baited” is a good sign, at least.

 

[FrostedGlass]

The fact that you didn’t spell it “baited” is a good sign, at least.

I almost did it as a play on words but I thought most people would think I didn't know the difference.

 

[pillywiggin]

dbm.

 

[TL4S]

Release of Delphi investigation documents likely delayed until next week

Last week, Judge Gull announced from the bench that she anticipated that the release of sealed documents, motions and orders would come this week, but a review of the more than 130 court filings has apparently taken longer than expected.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Release of Delphi investigation documents likely delayed until next week

Last week, Judge Gull announced from the bench that she anticipated that the release of sealed documents, motions and orders would come this week, but a review of the more than 130 court filings has apparently taken longer than expected.

A quote from your article; let's try to guess what she'll unseal. With 130 of them, we have to be a little right, right?

"That information could include an unredacted Probable Cause Affidavit, search warrant and search warrant return, motions regarding Defendant Richard Allen’s pre-trial incarceration and mental health history and examinations and evidentiary challenges."

 

[twall]

Here is the murder trial that Judge FG is presiding over. Scheduled for 6/21-6/23.

Courts: ‘Something wasn’t right’ the morning her brother was shot and killed on Oliver Street

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) –When Dequavius Tyler woke up his sister early on the morning of his death, he asked her to go to their friend’s home on Oliver Street. Looking back now, it seems…

www.wane.com

 

[Marzipan]

For the longest time I was convinced that KAK was involved. Even after the arrest of RA I went searching to see if I could link the two and I really couldn’t without stretching.

What are the odds of Libby being catfished by a predator only to come face to face with another predator who ended up murdering her?

As time went on I have come to the conclusion ((MOO)) that KAK inserted himself into the Delphi investigation once he realized that LE was on to him and hoped he could swing a better deal for himself. I think he strung LE along for the longest time until LE realized they had been played.

Unless something shows up in these unsealed Documents to say otherwise, I do not believe KAK is involved in the murders of Abby and Libby.

JMO MOO etc etc

And Murder Sheet ran with it all, focusing on KK and his dad. I wish I could unhear all of their readings of those hideous police interviews with KK.
I’m still not sure there isn’t a connection but I’m no longer thinking there simply HAS to be one.

 

[FrostedGlass]

A little trivia while we wait: I went through all of the entries in RA's docket by dates. I deleted all of the scheduling activities (46 of them) and almost all of the automated emails (25). My end total is 109 entries. I double-checked these but I still could be off by a couple... there were a lot of them to go through.

The news stated there were over 130 filings for the judge to go through. Are all filings listed separately? Can a motion have filings in it?

What are we missing? We don't have an entry for the search warrant and search warrant return = I didn't even know there was such a thing as a SW return. All these years spent searching cases and I'm still barely at kindergarten level. smh

 

[TL4S]

A little trivia while we wait: I went through all of the entries in RA's docket by dates. I deleted all of the scheduling activities (46 of them) and almost all of the automated emails (25). My end total is 109 entries. I double-checked these but I still could be off by a couple... there were a lot of them to go through.

The news stated there were over 130 filings for the judge to go through. Are all filings listed separately? Can a motion have filings in it?

What are we missing? We don't have an entry for the search warrant and search warrant return = I didn't even know there was such a thing as a SW return. All these years spent searching cases and I'm still barely at kindergarten level. smh

Well, if you're kindergarten level, I'm definitely somewhere between birth and infancy. I don't understand 85% of what's going on in court documents.

I don't really know what exact documents are even considered court documents. I'm assuming not all search warrants carried out during the investigation would be included, like RL's, BBR, Wabash River, or either of the two Peru house searches, if nothing ties them to RA. What if there's something in a document that is related to the murders but not RA directly? Will that be on his docket? What about witness interviews? Or suspect interviews? I remember in KAK's case, his 2020 interview was only briefly visible on KAK's docket when MS got it, but then it was taken down (or sealed?). Are these the type of things that the judge has discretion over what is getting made public or not?

Or are the court documents just the motions and affidavits we know about during the time of arrest and after?

Sorry if I sound ignorant, but...I am!