IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #169

[MistyWaters]

I have speculated that:
Quite exasperated by previous D's escapades, the Court hires new D counsel fresh off a disciplinary action, convincing herself he'll likely behave. For a year, anyway.

Well at least he sucked it up and faced the disciplinary action like a true professional without lashing out and acting like a fool. That ought to count for something! Good character, willing to accept responsibility for his mistakes.

 

[Emma Peel]

According to your link, the public defenders office is run by a board. Are you expecting to find a conflict of interest between the Judge and RA’s new defense?

Serving the same county ... one would expect to find familiarity. For sure.

I'm frankly noodling on this a bit (as you can tell) ... b/c I'm actually leaning that familiarity with the Court benefits the D. JMHO.

 

[twall]

I couldn't remember where that Cramer case came from. Thanks for the reminder. That one led me to the William Gibson case and that one was even more horrid.

Yes, I remember Gibson. Victim buried in his backyard in southern Indiana. Remember Larry Hall? From Indiana but his kidnapping conviction is Federal. Have you seen Black Bird? Good series about him.

 

[Emma Peel]

Well at least he sucked it up and faced the disciplinary action like a true professional without lashing out and acting like a fool. That ought to count for something! Good character, willing to accept responsibility for his mistakes.

I'm bookmarking this.

(More importantly- Grateful for and enjoying your sense of humor, MistyWaters! )

 

[zh0r4]

It says here he represents people accused of murder.

Attorney | Robert Scremin Law Office | Fort Wayne

Looking for a criminal defense attorney? Contact Robert Scremin for a free legal consultation. With years of experience, he can provide expert advice and representation for your case.

www.robertscreminlaw.com

Is he Death Penalty qualified though? He’s not on the roster. Which doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not. But neither Lebrato or Scremin are listed.

Indiana Public Defender Commission-Death Penalty Attorney Roster

Capital (Death Penalty) Attorney Roster

www.in.gov

List

https://ingov.sharepoint.com/sites/PDComPortal/Lists/2022%20Death%20Penalty%20List/Website%20View.aspx

 

[MistyWaters]

B again now, wonder what happened to Hennessy? They’re on rotation?

How many motions do they need to file repeating themselves.

Judge grants new court-appointed attorneys for Richard Allen; previous attorneys ask judge to review "erroneous order" to remove them

In newly released documents, Richard Allen's former defense attorneys are fighting to say on the case in the Delphi homicide investigation.

www.wlfi.com

“In a new filing late today, Andrew Baldwin asks Special Judge Fran Gull to reconsider what he calls an "erroneous order" to the Carroll County Clerk to remove him and Brad Rozzi without the opportunity to be heard.

That motion was filed hours after Gull appointed two new attorneys to Allen's defense team……

…….In his Motion to Reconsider, Baldwin said the court obtained an oral promise from him and Rozzi to file a motion to withdraw, which they have not done, and will not do.

He says there have been no valid motions to withdraw by appointed attorneys, no order of disqualification, and no legitimate basis for disqualification….”

 

[zh0r4]

According to your link, the public defenders office is run by a board. Are you expecting to find a conflict of interest between the Judge and RA’s new defense?

I plead the 5th.

 

[MistyWaters]

I plead the 5th.

Oh well, you surely have that right, just a wild guess after all. lol!

 

[twall]

I thought I was having a Groundhog Day episode for a minute; still after that transcript.

10/27/2023	Motion to Reconsider Motion to Reconsider Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/27/2023
10/27/2023	Praecipe for Transcript Filed Praecipe Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/27/2023

Are these filed by Hennessy for AB and now BR? I can't keep up!

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On Friday afternoon, an attorney representing Allen’s original defense team of Baldwin and Rozzi provided an advanced copy of a motion challenging Gull’s decision. For more on that, click here.

Defense team chosen in Delphi murders case; judge issues decorum order for next hearing

ALLEN COUNTY, Ind. — Two attorneys have been appointed to defend Richard Allen on two counts of murder in the killings of Abby Williams and Libby German outside of Delphi in 2017. On Friday, the Ca…

fox59.com

 

[twall]

Are these filed by Hennessy for AB and now BR? I can't keep up!

Snip
On Friday afternoon, an attorney representing Allen’s original defense team of Baldwin and Rozzi provided an advanced copy of a motion challenging Gull’s decision. For more on that, click here.

Defense team chosen in Delphi murders case; judge issues decorum order for next hearing

ALLEN COUNTY, Ind. — Two attorneys have been appointed to defend Richard Allen on two counts of murder in the killings of Abby Williams and Libby German outside of Delphi in 2017. On Friday, the Ca…

fox59.com

Quoting myself, the answer is no, just Baldwin, FOX59 didn't state that correctly imo.

Richard Allen Motion to Reconsiderpdf.pdf

drive.google.com

Adobe Acrobat

acrobat.adobe.com

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Quoting myself, the answer is no, just Baldwin, FOX59 didn't state that correctly imo.

Richard Allen Motion to Reconsiderpdf.pdf

drive.google.com

Adobe Acrobat

acrobat.adobe.com

Didn’t AB deny that in chambers? Said Hennessy had NOT been retained and was there as a friend?

 

[zh0r4]

I don’t think the defense is paid by their county.

Defense team chosen in Delphi murders case; judge issues decorum order for next hearing

ALLEN COUNTY, Ind. — Two attorneys have been appointed to defend Richard Allen on two counts of murder in the killings of Abby Williams and Libby German outside of Delphi in 2017. On Friday, the Ca…

www.tristatehomepage.com

“On Friday, the Carroll County court system appointed Attorney Robert Scremin and Attorney William S. Lebrato as contract public defenders in Allen’s case.”

ETA

Attorneys: Resignation of Richard Allen’s defense team could result in yearlong delay in Delphi murders trial

The trial is now on hold after special judge Frances Gull announced public defenders Bradley Rozzi and Andrew Baldwin stepped away from the case.

www.wthr.com

“Some Indiana counties have a public defender agency or special board that appoints public defenders for indigent defendants. That is not the case in Carroll County, where Allen is facing two murder charges. Because Carroll County relies on judicial appointment when assigning a public defender, Gull will have sole discretion in determining who will become Allen’s new defense counsel.

Carroll County is also a member of the Indiana Public Defender Commission, which means any public defender appointed to Allen must have extensive legal experience. The commission requires that its member counties hire attorneys for murder cases who have at least three years of criminal litigation experience and who have served as lead defense counsel in at least three jury trials that were tried to completion. In exchange for meeting the commission standards, member counties qualify for partial reimbursement for their public defender fees.”

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Are these filed by Hennessy for AB and now BR? I can't keep up!

Snip
On Friday afternoon, an attorney representing Allen’s original defense team of Baldwin and Rozzi provided an advanced copy of a motion challenging Gull’s decision. For more on that, click here.

Defense team chosen in Delphi murders case; judge issues decorum order for next hearing

ALLEN COUNTY, Ind. — Two attorneys have been appointed to defend Richard Allen on two counts of murder in the killings of Abby Williams and Libby German outside of Delphi in 2017. On Friday, the Ca…

fox59.com

“On Friday afternoon, an attorney representing Allen’s original defense team of Baldwin and Rozzi provided an advanced copy of a motion challenging Gull’s decision. For more on that, click here.”

Whenever I hit “click here”, it takes me back to the article. Can anyone else view it? It might be bc I’m on my phone atm.

 

[twall]

Didn’t AB deny that in chambers? Said Hennessy had NOT been retained and was there as a friend?

I don't know, I wasn't there and haven't seen a transcript but the filings by Hennessy state he is counsel for AB.

 

[twall]

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“On Friday afternoon, an attorney representing Allen’s original defense team of Baldwin and Rozzi provided an advanced copy of a motion challenging Gull’s decision. For more on that, click here.”

Whenever I hit “click here”, it takes me back to the article. Can anyone else view it? It might be bc I’m on my phone atm.

It takes me to this article.

Judge throws out attorney’s request to remove her from Delphi murders case

CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. — Judge Fran Gull has thrown out the filing made by former Richard Allen defense attorney Bradley Rozzi that argued that Gull should be removed from the Delphi murders ca…

fox59.com

 

[Emma Peel]

Quoting myself, the answer is no, just Baldwin, FOX59 didn't state that correctly imo.

Richard Allen Motion to Reconsiderpdf.pdf

drive.google.com

Adobe Acrobat

acrobat.adobe.com

Spoiler

back to rune the docket

 

[DeDee]

Whoever murdered the girls wanted their precious bodies to be found with obvious nonsecular Runes formed on and around them. The sticks did not form a teepee or a leanto.

"In a search warrant request in March 2017, an FBI agent claimed the girls’ bodies appeared to have been “moved and staged” at the crime scene." The CS was "pristine" - RL.

"... the prosecutor spoke with two correctional officers at the Westville Correctional Facility who the defense team claims have ties to Odinism
both correctional officers denied practicing Odinism but admitted to wearing patches on their uniforms" Tsk, tsk.

"Surprising and aggressive move" by JG

 

[Emma Peel]

New D Scremin career:
FBI investigator, SWAT, prosecutor, criminal defense
Covers the bases.

 

[zh0r4]

It takes me to this article.

Judge throws out attorney’s request to remove her from Delphi murders case

CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. — Judge Fran Gull has thrown out the filing made by former Richard Allen defense attorney Bradley Rozzi that argued that Gull should be removed from the Delphi murders ca…

fox59.com

I think I misunderstood, lol I thought it would link me to the motion.

 

[twall]

I think I misunderstood, lol I thought it would link me to the motion.

oh, oops! No, it is a different article, Fox59 had several today I do believe. I did post the link to the motion in another post after I found it. HTH!

 

[Cyber sleuth]

I don't know, I wasn't there and haven't seen a transcript but the filings by Hennessy state he is counsel for AB.

Motion to Disqualify | PDF Host

Language is a little ambiguous but page 5 of 8 of Motion to Disqualify states that Judge was upset that AB and BR had brought counsel and they state he was not retained but a friend and colleague serving in the role of “ spokesperson”.