Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #117

[margarita25]

Rsbm
Also in the comments of that tweet, someone asks if they were SA. Poor Kelsi. Here's Kelsi's answer:

It’s never been released but I think it’s safe to assume that they probably were. Could be wrong though

Oh man...

(Sorry for double post, wonky)

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FBI links I was trying to post above, @sunshineray

LIBERTY GERMAN | Federal Bureau of Investigation

ABIGAIL WILLIAMS | Federal Bureau of Investigation

 

[Mike Britton]

Recent comments seem to be trending toward a younger offender, which I think is correct.

Take a look at this zoomed-in version of frame 47 of the bridge video. In this frame, the offender is closest to the camera lens as he gets.

Viewed from far away, he looks like he's an overweight cabbie in his late forties wearing a newsboy cap. Zoomed in, it's very clear this offender was very young, fresh faced, clean shaven kid with a head of bushy light reddish brown hair. You can see a thin eyebrow on the non-shaded side. The hair is combed down straight purposely. It stays matted down like that and even casts a shadow like the rim of a hat.

This photo wasn't edited, just zoomed in.

 

[stattlich1]

it's very clear this offender was very young, fresh faced, clean shaven kid with a head of bushy light reddish brown hair.....The hair is combed down straight purposely. .

Spot on. It is clear to me there is

No hat
No facial hair
Smooth skinned face
Younger chap, with light brown hair, combed straight down in front/parted a bit in back
Greyish hoodie, hood bunched up around back of neck
18 to 22 years old, doubt he's anywhere older than that when pic was taken.

 

[margarita25]

Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster etc.

I have a question- does anyone else remember hearing or reading someone from LE saying that in the beginning they thought they had found their guy, but the FBI disagreed?

I can’t find the source for this, but I’d like to.

If this really was said, it makes me wonder what could be so definite that ISP would say “yes, this is our guy” does anyone remember this or have any thoughts?

Hi, welcome. I definitely don’t remember this.

Spot on. It is clear to me there is

No hat
No facial hair
Smooth skinned face
Younger chap, with light brown hair, combed straight down in front/parted a bit in back
Greyish hoodie, hood bunched up around back of neck
18 to 22 years old, doubt he's anywhere older than that when pic was taken.

I definitely see a hat, moo.

I think he’s way older than 18-22 moo, more like 35 to 45.

Hopefully we will find out one day soon.

 

[Charlot123]

They know now, who is one perp, but they don't know exactly, who is the other?
Something like this perhaps as a reason to not admit 2 perps??

I sometimes wonder that the reason they don't want to admit 2 perps is because the one who smeared himself in clues, and possibly left DNA, and was seen on the bridge, is not the mastermind, and everyone around understands it (the person might be developmentally delayed, or much younger, or is having some physical issues). So making him take all the flak is unfair. And everyone knows who the puppeteer is, but he has managed to leave too few clues, and can not be arrested unless someone else, who knows, will give a tip, but it is not happening.

There are cases when everyone knows that the person most incriminated is not the real killer. In some situations, the police arrests whoever looks like a guilty party, to close the case, but maybe DC has more morals and wants the true perpetrator to be punished.

 

[almagata]

As I’ve mentioned previously, when a man kills a female minor, how often is the motive NOT SA, excluding of course familial homicides, home invasion burglary, gang drive-bys, etc.

We've actually had quite a few murders in the past couple of years where young people have been killed by angry young men in public places without a sexual motive.

Sexual assault is the most common motive for the murder of a girl but it certainly is not the only one. The common trait in the non-sexual assault murders is anger.

Beau of the Fifth Column (A Youtuber who does political analysis) posted a video a few months ago that I thought was interesting. He pointed out that mass shootings are replacing serial killing in our current world and how similar the two populations of murders are:

Is it possible that the Delphi murders were one of these blended grievance crimes and Abby and Libby just happened to be in the wrong place?

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I’m gonna be completely honest with you all...IDK what I see in those stills anymore. I’m gonna be confused about the use of 2 different sketches until dude is arrested, maybe even for years down the road.
Libby did the right thing by getting BG on video/audio. I feel horrible that she took that gamble while this freak was barreling down on her & Abby...only for it to turn into what it is... So...IMHO I pray for Libby, Abby & their loved ones that Libby’s gamble pays off & LE catches this dude. It’d sure be a damn shame if it doesn’t.
MOO

 

[PaulaDC]

White might be off-white.
I am more interested in the fact that it looks thin, and possibly is used to cover the face. Could be very thin cashmere, and if slightly off-white, and paired with a fancy coat, it would give one a “dandy” look. (Maybe he is a “dandy” man for whom a white thin scarf is commonplace, and “daddy” clothes are not?)

I also wonder, could it be a female scarf? Females have everything in their wardrobes, as long as it matches something.
His wife’s/girlfriend’s one? Or taken from a previous female body?

Or even part of some uniform (walk into any university store, they have tons of clothes with their logos, of all colors, if stamped with logos, they are usually expensive and sell well. Plus cups, plus beer mugs, plus daddy coats, scarves, whatnot, all with the logos. It is always a possibility if he graduated from a good school).

ETA: yet one more option: part of a uniform. Here, again, everything goes, plus there are daily and parade ones. I am not a specialist in them, but is there any uniform including white/off-white scarf? A true possibility, I remember some including even white gloves!

Army dress uniform scarves are white.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Lets come up with some different motives:

-thrill kill
-acquaintance possibly eliminating witness(s) of a crime he/she may have committed to one or both the girls.
-SA

Jealousy
Loathing
Lust
Love
Rejection
Revenge
Hatred

 

[sunshineray]

DBM

 

[Mosit]

I am shocked as to the amount of comments from people saying he must know the area/bridge to have his hands in his pocket whilst crossing, now I'm sorry but that is nothing special there!!! Anyone can do this, I do it on a regular, we have a similar bridge here in England with parts missing and my first attempt I crossed no problem hands in pocket.

 

[tresir2012]

I am shocked as to the amount of comments from people saying he must know the area/bridge to have his hands in his pocket whilst crossing, now I'm sorry but that is nothing special there!!! Anyone can do this, I do it on a regular, we have a similar bridge here in England with parts missing and my first attempt I crossed no problem hands in pocket.

Where is that bridge - it would be interesting to compare it.

 

[PoppyJune]

Watching this story on the ID channel now.

 

[southernswede]

Recent comments seem to be trending toward a younger offender, which I think is correct.

Take a look at this zoomed-in version of frame 47 of the bridge video. In this frame, the offender is closest to the camera lens as he gets.

Viewed from far away, he looks like he's an overweight cabbie in his late forties wearing a newsboy cap. Zoomed in, it's very clear this offender was very young, fresh faced, clean shaven kid with a head of bushy light reddish brown hair. You can see a thin eyebrow on the non-shaded side. The hair is combed down straight purposely. It stays matted down like that and even casts a shadow like the rim of a hat.

This photo wasn't edited, just zoomed in.

Yeah, I've always thought that looked like hair and not a hat. It's the body type and walk that makes me think he's older. I don't see many young guys with that physique & walk. Just my thoughts, and who really knows at this point. It's just so frustrating.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Just changing the topic for a moment. I just saw this for the first time. It was published on Feb 14 and updated on Feb 17.

Delphi Community Schools sent a letter home on Tuesday, offering bus rides to all students in the community, no matter where they live.

“We will be providing transportation to all students to and from school. We feel that in the best interest and safety of the students, a regular schedule is best”.

What an excellent proactive step to ensure the safety of the students and peace of mind for the parents. I wonder how long this was kept in place.

ISP: "We're going to track them down"

 

[margarita25]

Just changing the topic for a moment. I just saw this for the first time. It was published on Feb 14 and updated on Feb 17.

Delphi Community Schools sent a letter home on Tuesday, offering bus rides to all students in the community, no matter where they live.

“We will be providing transportation to all students to and from school. We feel that in the best interest and safety of the students, a regular schedule is best”.

What an excellent proactive step to ensure the safety of the students and peace of mind for the parents. I wonder how long this was kept in place.

ISP: "We're going to track them down"

Thank you. I don’t recall seeing this before. Adding to media thread.

 

[tresir2012]

Is anyone else having problems posting? It is posting the item but not completing the process. The black box top right is continuing to stay there as well as the text in the reply box so it is just hanging up. To get out I have to click on a previous page number. Also ads are coming up in between every single post. Chaos. I will report this post so mods know about it.

 

[margarita25]

Ok, some thoughts:

(I hope I can articulate what I’m thinking, it’s going to take some effort to get there.)

Ugh, I haaate going here. Anyway.

So when Jessica Ridgeway was murdered, local LE cleaaaaaarly indicated that they thought the perp was local. I’m thinking about this (again) in regards to the last 4/22 PC in which the local aspect was emphasized.

When Jessica’s killer was on the loose, I used to say “He’s so close I can smell him”...And he was close. VERY close. But again, LE clearly indicated that imo. So I’m thinking about this now from the point of Delphi locals, how they may feel about this - Do they “feel” he is close? I imagine it probably varies like everything else here, but I do wonder about that. If any of them have that “he is close feeling”.

Back to Jessica’s case, in HINDSIGHT, only after seeing documents much later on, we found out a LOT of things, really awful things.

Like where exactly they found the “cross” that the perp left with her (part of) her body.

And what really was in her backpack that they found discarded on a residential street as a red herring.

Anyway my point is, , that LE KNEW what they were dealing with early on, in hindsight as I said, so, the way they appealed and emphasized that it was someone local—they had reason to think so based on evidence.

So with that being said, I’m wondering if the April 22 PC was something similar to that, like the WPD’s PCs in Jessica’s case, the same type of vibe as far as all this Shack and being local business.

I would imagine LE chooses their words carefully...

I believe I mentioned all this during the PC already, and many of us have mentioned similar things, that maybe BG really did communicate with LE, or did sooooomething, left some sort of a sign somewhere, did soooomething for them to come out and make this particular appeal in the way that they did.

So maybe it really is a local. For some reason my head is in other places so I think maybe I am all wrong.

So then how come nobody recognizes him? Is it because we all view the bridge pic and sketches so differently?

What about his voice then?

Now I remember this, when Jessica’s killer was still out on the streets, I was looking at EVERYONE sideways and that is NO JOKE. Looking at the guy standing next to me in the grocery line, my coworkers, etc...trust me it is NOT a good place to be. It is TERRIFYING.

So anyway, my point is, everyone is looking at everyone sideways right now, how do I know? Because I’ve been there.

And nobody recognizes him.

Hmm, so maybe the question for locals is, then, who HAVEN’T you seen for a while? Anyone who suddenly doesn’t come to church anymore, or to ball games, idk...

 

[stattlich1]

I went to that other site, as I have in the past, and did a little reading.

IMO, the most difficult thing in this case is to refrain from pointing fingers, naming names, calling people out, etc. It's like the McCarthy hearings, Salem witch trials, etc.

However, if you suspect there to be a rat, (as IMO there is) someone who led this investigation down the wrong path in the beginning, a possible man in blue, a police officer gone rogue, a firefighter that's suspicious, a preacher, teacher, mayor, or whoever, what are you to do?

This is why I think FBI is important to this case.....unless, there is a rat in the FBI.

Any good investigator, IMO, would be going back to the drawing board and looking at ALL persons involved.

Why'd we call off that search anyway? Oh yeah, we didn't think there was any cause for alarm.....seriously? In 2017?

Oh my, what a tangled mess.

.....we believe him to be from Delphi
.....hiding in plain sight
.....we have likely interviewed you
.....we believe him to be between the age of 18 and 40

 

[MingyMoo]

I am shocked as to the amount of comments from people saying he must know the area/bridge to have his hands in his pocket whilst crossing, now I'm sorry but that is nothing special there!!! Anyone can do this, I do it on a regular, we have a similar bridge here in England with parts missing and my first attempt I crossed no problem hands in pocket.

I am at heart still of a mind that the perpetrator knew the area. It is a purely subjective and personal opinion thought. However Abby also had hands in pockets and was looking down.

Just an observation.
MingyMoo

Edited reworded for a bit of clarity.