Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #139

[TL4S]

Only IP addresses that were from the house in Peru were mentioned in the affidavit, so they might suggest that it was not accessed from Vegas, and somewhat rules out the idea of the account being shared.

Now it might be that other IP addresses were returned by Instagram & Snapchat, but wouldn't they at least be mentioned?
Otherwise couldn't a defense attorney attack it as discarding relevant information?

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Kegan-Anthony-Kline-PC.pdf

I don't know. The affidavit did say it was shared via Dropbox, but maybe that access also only came from the address in Peru. I don't think I'm allowed to mention what this suggests...

 

[Yvettea]

Why does the second sketch look a lot like the model who’s photo was stolen JMO? Did someone involved in the crime provide that sketch to LE?

Does KAK look like he could cross that bridge even five years ago and was he actually in Vegas at the time? Just some questions that hound me.

We’ve gone from discussing this as two innocents exploring a bridge randomly attacked to two adolescent girls victimized by whom? This is leading us to a very complex scheme IMO. Watching the Banfield interview I was struck by Abby’s sweet childlike appearance knowing full well a thirteen year old could have been lured to the bridge to meet an “attractive” guy paying her some attention, especially when accompanied by her older, stronger “more savvy” friend who has walked that bridge before.

Is anyone else overwhelmed by the creep factor of this? It’s such a sea change and will probably get much worse than we are able to theorize if the truth is ever known.

MOO

 

[joe jones]

Only IP addresses that were from the house in Peru were mentioned in the affidavit, so they might suggest that it was not accessed from Vegas, and somewhat rules out the idea of the account being shared.

Now it might be that other IP addresses were returned by Instagram & Snapchat, but wouldn't they at least be mentioned?
Otherwise couldn't a defense attorney attack it as discarding relevant information?

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Kegan-Anthony-Kline-PC.pdf

the charges he has now relate to one ISP address which relates to the home he lived in with his father in 2017, seems over time he has lived in other states such as LV,

and it seems LE were talking only about 2015 -2017 LE have had over 3 years to fully investigate him, so these may be his only charges, or their may be more that they know about or are revealed after their public request that he eventually may be charged with

 

[SuziQ]

Just trying to catch up here is a chore. And I'm still trying to grasp LE's tie btw KAK and Delphi. A false or dead end tip? Mistaken identity? Or was said or attached to a social media site or group that KAK was a part of? If it is the later I wonder if someone only identified by a screen name said something only the killer would know. I don't believe KAK is the killer and he may not even know or be aware of a connection. The fact that LE put out the information video on anthony_shots leads me to believe LE STRONGLY believes there is some connection.

Wow! They searched KAK's place TWO WEEKS after the murders?!?!?! I've often speculated that LE had the tip they need and got it early on, but for one reason or another it was buried in that massive pile of tips. (They 18K in tips by the start of the summer in 2017 and many unsolved crimes don't have that in 10+ years.) But they actually executed a search warrant very early on and are now circling back around.

Somewhere I have heard that when cold cases are solved, the perp ends up being among the first ten people that were focused on at the very beginning.

Moo.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't know. The affidavit did say it was shared via Dropbox, but maybe that access also only came from the address in Peru. I don't think I'm allowed to mention what this suggests...

It looks like LE should be able to determine who was authorized to share files in Dropbox with anthony_shots, either through examination of data on the device or by subpoenaing Dropbox. Maybe Monday’s news release was intended to rattle some chains, I always think it’s fantastic if/when LE does things like that. Speculation only but anyone out there having shared Dropbox with anthony_shots ought to be concerned.

How to use Dropbox on your iPhone to store or share files, and access them on any device

 

[AC4RD]

Is it possible KAK was in Vegas when he communicated with the female juveniles, then shared the data to the Dropbox ... ... In any case, if KAK really was in Vegas at the time of the murders, he still knew he was going to be linked to the case if he had shared LG or AW's information with the killer.

Tiff23 showed us a few pages ago that some of KAK's Las Vegas postings were posted long after the events he claimed. The "began job 2/13/17 in Las Vegas casino" thing was, IIRC, posted long after 2/13/17. Which makes it easy for us to wonder where he really was on 2/13/17, and why he urgently wanted people to think he was nowhere near Indiana at the time.

I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the KAK facebook material but I recall thinking that most of his claimed jobs didn't have exact dates attached, just month and year. Perhaps, again, he very urgently wanted to convince people that he wasn't in Indiana on 2/13/17. That seems particularly suspicious to me. And if he really started dealing blackjack or whatever it was, on 2/13/17, two time zones away from the MHB, why was he back home just 12 days later when the police were looking for him? I don't know if there's any proof that he really WAS in Nevada in early 2017. Though he wants to convince people that he was.

 

[TL4S]

Can someone tech savvy explain this to me? If KAK had a proxy server set up on a PC at his dad's house, then if he connected his other devices or iPhone to that proxy server, even from, let's say, Vegas, would the IP still come back as Peru, IN?

If he was trying to appear to be from IN to these girls, would they know how to look up his IP, or not? Would he need to go to such lengths to geo-spoof his IP?

 

[SuziQ]

On his Facebook, he switches jobs in Vegas like every month between Dec 2016 and Feb 2017. On his timeline, it has started new job at California Hotel (in Vegas) on Feb 12, 2017, not the 13th, as it says in his "about" section on his fb. If true, he was in Vegas at the time of the murders, unless he was in IN and offered the job over the phone. Whitepages did list a Vegas address, but no dates, and he appears to have a lot of check ins around Vegas during that timeframe. So was he just visiting his dad in IN the 25th? But then how were the IP addresses linked to IN? Was he using some kind of proxy server or VPN that linked back to his dad's? Was his whole Vegas persona a lie or cover up to give him an alibi for what he was truly doing in IN? I'm not understanding this whole thing.

Imo, I doubt anything he posted is the truth. Do we have proof he was in other states?

 

[stattlich1]

It is easy to jump to the conclusion these two young ladies were catfished, and they very well may have been, in some manner, but as I read the following statement, LE does not make that definitive claim.

Detectives with the Delphi Investigation Seek Information

The second item I have trouble with is the apparent statement of fact made in this article, previously posted, and, well, here are the quotes directly from the dailymail article.....

"Indiana detectives reveal fake male model Instagram account - set up by jailed pedophile - was used to CATFISH the two 14-year-old Delphi girls murdered in 2017 "

"It's unclear if he has ever been questioned over the Delphi murders or if police think he is a suspect"

Cops link pedophile who was jailed in 2017 to Delphi murders through catfish Instagram account | Daily Mail Online

So for me, at this juncture, I'm just not certain of the part, if any, this anthony_shots and KAK thing plays in the Delphi case.

It sounds like the fake account was used to catfish the girls, but not by KAK.

 

[TL4S]

Tiff23 showed us a few pages ago that some of KAK's Las Vegas postings were posted long after the events he claimed. The "began job 2/13/17 in Las Vegas casino" thing was, IIRC, posted long after 2/13/17. Which makes it easy for us to wonder where he really was on 2/13/17, and why he urgently wanted people to think he was nowhere near Indiana at the time.

I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the KAK facebook material but I recall thinking that most of his claimed jobs didn't have exact dates attached, just month and year. Perhaps, again, he very urgently wanted to convince people that he wasn't in Indiana on 2/13/17. That seems particularly suspicious to me. And if he really started dealing blackjack or whatever it was, on 2/13/17, two time zones away from the MHB, why was he back home just 12 days later when the police were looking for him? I don't know if there's any proof that he really WAS in Nevada in early 2017. Though he wants to convince people that he was.

Right? His whole FB is questionable to me, but I am trying to view all possibilities. The California Hotel job was listed on Feb. 12 in his timeline. Can you alter the timestamp in Facebook? I have no idea.

 

[cbeagle]

I don't know. The affidavit did say it was shared via Dropbox, but maybe that access also only came from the address in Peru. I don't think I'm allowed to mention what this suggests...

No, the affidavit mentions sharing Dropbox public links, not the account "anthony_shots" being shared.

All I'm saying that the affidavit has no evidence of the account "anthony_shots" being used from anywhere except address in Peru, IN, presumably the Canal St address.

 

[TL4S]

No, the affidavit mentions sharing Dropbox public links, not the account "anthony_shots" being shared.

All I'm saying that the affidavit has no evidence of the account "anthony_shots" being used from anywhere except address in Peru, IN, presumably the Canal St address.

Could images, like of the girls, have been shared via dropbox to other people, or could LE trace who got them? Sorry, in not tech save.

 

[FeelMyHeat]

Tiff23 showed us a few pages ago that some of KAK's Las Vegas postings were posted long after the events he claimed. The "began job 2/13/17 in Las Vegas casino" thing was, IIRC, posted long after 2/13/17. Which makes it easy for us to wonder where he really was on 2/13/17, and why he urgently wanted people to think he was nowhere near Indiana at the time.

I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the KAK facebook material but I recall thinking that most of his claimed jobs didn't have exact dates attached, just month and year. Perhaps, again, he very urgently wanted to convince people that he wasn't in Indiana on 2/13/17. That seems particularly suspicious to me. And if he really started dealing blackjack or whatever it was, on 2/13/17, two time zones away from the MHB, why was he back home just 12 days later when the police were looking for him? I don't know if there's any proof that he really WAS in Nevada in early 2017. Though he wants to convince people that he was.

Also he would need a gaming license for that job in Las Vegas.

 

[MistyWaters]

Was KAK ever in LV? Considering he also created a fake persona making it appear he was attractive and wealthy, I’m thinking he was a habitual liar and his whole life was built upon a facade.

From the Samsung Galaxy S5 BBM
There were some chat messages recovered from this device from MeetMe, Facebook Messenger and Snapchat. Conversations that took place between February 23, 2017 and February 25, 2017 discussed meeting people in Las Vegas and prostitution.

But then he just happened to be home in Peru on the 25th when the search warrant was executed?

“On February 25, 201 7 the search warrant was served on the Kline’s residence and Kegan was interviewed and polygraphed. On February 27, 2017 Kegan called the Indiana State Police to turn in the Apple iPhone Sc.

On February 25, 2017 at approximately 7:30 PM, Kegan’s polygraph was concluded and he was transported back to his residence. The Digital Forensics Examination Report shows at approximately 9: 19 PM, the user of the iPhone 5c started to uninstall and delete apps from the phone. At approximately 9: 19 PM, the user uninstalled and deleted Snapchat. At approximately 10: 14 PM, the user uninstalled and deleted Instagram from the phone.

On February 26, 2017 at approximately 1:12 PM, the user uninstalled and deleted MeetMe from the phone. The user put Snapchat back 0n the device and 0n February 27, 2017…….”

 

[mom2chloe]

Also he would need a gaming license for that job in Las Vegas.

Which would have been verified or refuted by now certainly. I don’t think KAK has ever been to Vegas except maybe in his dreams. IMO

 

[Tiff23fr]

Right? His whole FB is questionable to me, but I am trying to view all possibilities. The California Hotel job was listed on Feb. 12 in his timeline. Can you alter the timestamp in Facebook? I have no idea.

Yes you can alter.
How to change timestamps on Facebook's Timeline

All of his posts with the clock are altered. You can see the actual date if you hover over the clock icon. The Feb 13, 2017 new job post was added May 13, 2020.

 

[stattlich1]

I could see a couple like minded perps sitting in a Peru living room using the same fake account. I could also see some perp being in KAK'S house when he wasn't home, helping himself to the fake account.

 

[MistyWaters]

No, the affidavit mentions sharing Dropbox public links, not the account "anthony_shots" being shared.

All I'm saying that the affidavit has no evidence of the account "anthony_shots" being used from anywhere except address in Peru, IN, presumably the Canal St address.

That’s right, it doesn’t say more than “some files were…..shared in a Dropbox account” but in knowing that much information, LE surely know what files were shared by anthony_shots and likely with what specific device and location as well. I think there is a good reason this information has been released.

“Police found videos and photos showing underage girls posing nude/partially nude or engaging in sex acts. Some of the files were saved on electronic devices while others were shared in a Dropbox account. “
Delphi murders: Anthony Shots profile tied to Abby & Libby deaths

 

[JnRyan]

It is easy to jump to the conclusion these two young ladies were catfished, and they very well may have been, in some manner, but as I read the following statement, LE does not make that definitive claim.

Detectives with the Delphi Investigation Seek Information

The second item I have trouble with is the apparent statement of fact made in this article, previously posted, and, well, here are the quotes directly from the dailymail article.....

"Indiana detectives reveal fake male model Instagram account - set up by jailed pedophile - was used to CATFISH the two 14-year-old Delphi girls murdered in 2017 "

"It's unclear if he has ever been questioned over the Delphi murders or if police think he is a suspect"

Cops link pedophile who was jailed in 2017 to Delphi murders through catfish Instagram account | Daily Mail Online

So for me, at this juncture, I'm just not certain of the part, if any, this anthony_shots and KAK thing plays in the Delphi case.

It sounds like the fake account was used to catfish the girls, but not by KAK.

I once made the comment that I had not ruled out a catfished or targeted event and on my list - in order of probability - it was right above 'murdered by aliens from another planet'. I'm not going to say they were targeted or catfished, but that scenario has moved up higher on my list now.

 

[MistyWaters]

I could see a couple like minded perps sitting in a Peru living room using the same fake account. I could also see some perp being in KAK'S house when he wasn't home, helping himself to the fake account.

I just can’t believe KAK was an innocent victim of someone breaking into his house, taking advantage of his catfishing hobby to find murder victims. If the information was shared it was intentional and he sold it for monetary gain.

JMO