Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

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Maybe the catfishing got to a certain point and she refused the next step or gave info that she was taking some sort of law enforcement class at the college. Someone could have just been waiting for the right opportunity, It just seems like BG had been on that bridge many times, so IDK. Something that bothers me about KAK being BG, if he really has a seizure disorder. STRESS, as in anticipating kidnapping or murdering 2 young girls, and walking across that bridge could be enough to induce a seizure.

RSBM

I've been thinking on this, too. Why L? Why her? But then, if we believe LE, exactly one week later, ski mask perp was at another girl's window, with who knows what kinds of intentions.

So I'm vaguely wondering if maybe whoever was using the a_shots account in those final weeks had perhaps escalated in their deviant activities and entered into a new, more violent realm of CSAM (as impossible as that seems).

According to KAK, their Vegas trip had been planned for a year in advance. Is it a coincidence that on the two Mondays before that trip, girls communicating with a_shots wind up having encounters with creepy men (BG and ski mask peeper)?

Maybe weed guy wasn't the only person they met up with in Vegas. KAK did say they met one of his dad's friends there. I can't help but wonder why someone connected to a_shots was so active, and willing to take big risks, just before that trip...

On the other hand, if that girl had given her address to the AS account, who is to say she never gave it to anyone else online if she too was talking to multiple people?

Maybe the catfishing got to a certain point and she refused the next step or gave info that she was taking some sort of law enforcement class at the college. Someone could have just been waiting for the right opportunity, It just seems like BG had been on that bridge many times, so IDK. Something that bothers me about KAK being BG, if he really has a seizure disorder. STRESS, as in anticipating kidnapping or murdering 2 young girls, and walking across that bridge could be enough to induce a seizure.

Also, in the transcript, there are several points in it where KAK becomes obviously angry and loses control of himself a bit. He starts swearing at the police, tells them they are trying to trip him up and he knows what they are doing etc.

BG was calm on the "down the hill" audio from what we know. He seemingly also never panicked crossing the bridge and he got away from the scene without any fuss it seems. That just doesn't seem like KAK to me from what we've heard and what I read.

 

[Prime8]

There's also the possibility that the seizure claim is a lie given whose mouth it came out of.

ETA: Sorry @ApparentlyInDenial, I didn't see your post until after I made mine, but I see we are thinking on the same track.

A lot of people who shouldn't be driving for medical reasons do so all the time. A lot of people who shouldn't be doing x, y and z because of their medical issues, do so all the time. We don't know the extent of his seizure issues. For example, we don't know if they are exaggerated in order to pull more disability benefits (KAK does seem like the type who would abuse the system).

On another note, overweight, people go to parks parks and trails all the time. People on drugs go to trails. Criminals go there, as do perverts. We don't know KAK, we don't know what lengths he would go to to fulfill his fantasies. We can't judge what he would and would not do based on his looks and a couple of interviews.

 

[stargazer17]

IMO KAK cannot be BG due to body size alone. Maybe it’s TK and it doesn’t mean KAK wasn’t there, but the picture of the guy on the bridge is not KAK. Again MOO.

 

[stargazer17]

I have a relative through marriage who has seizures and was in an accident due to a seizure (25 years ago) however, it’s so controlled with meds and so rare that this person would not alter their lifestyle in any way due to them.

 

[photographer4]

Random thought. KAK claims he doesn't have a driver's license because he has seizures. Would someone with seizures plan or attempt to cross the high bridge?

Why not? I'd actually ask if he was on medication for his seizures, and if so, did he take them consistently? I believe you have to go X amount of time without having had a seizure before you can drive / get your license back following a seizure. He didn't have a license he said and it didn't seem to stop him from driving anyhow, so I doubt he'd balk at crossing the bridge.

 

[mom2chloe]

Yes. Seizures and no license. It's a 45 minute drive from Peru to Delphi, a walk across the high bridge, crossing a creek, controlling and murdering two girls, escaping, then driving another 45 minutes home. At any point along the way, if he had experienced a seizure, his plan would have all fallen apart.

I understand that this doesn't mean anything, because someone with seizures still might do all those things successfully. However, it is a factor I include in my own thoughts.

KAK claims to have a seizure disorder but do we have any info to corroborate that? I mean not much else truthful falls from his lips. IMO

 

[mom2chloe]

Do we have third-party proof that KAK suffers from seizures?

And to caveat, not just seizures that are drug-induced.

I just asked the same thing and hoping someone responds since we are discussing a liar. IMO

 

[Medstudies]

Elwood man arrested on incest, child *advertiser censored* charges in social media sting

August 25, 2020

FBI agent had been monitoring Kik account sharing child *advertiser censored*. Elwood Police arrested man for multiple counts of child *advertiser censored*, sharing, incest…

Elwood is roughly 40 miles south of Peru.

Coincidence? Idk

another similar kik related arrest: this a Kokomo kindergarten teacher.

Parents outraged after former Kokomo kindergarten teacher arrested on child *advertiser censored* charges | Fox 59

According to mycase, the charges were from 9/1/2020 but the case not filed until 4/21/21.


04/23/2021
Probable Cause Affidavit Filed
Redacted Affidavit of Probable Cause Form.pdf
Filed By:
State of Indiana
File Stamp:
04/23/2021
04/23/2021
Information Filed
REDACTED INFORMATIONS Ct 1 - 13.pdf
Filed By:
State of Indiana

 

[TL4S]

I just asked the same thing and hoping someone responds since we are discussing a liar. IMO

It's been awhile since I looked at KAK's facebook, but didn't he post several times just after having had various seizures? Not that he couldn't have lied then, too. LE easily corroborated that information, I'm sure.

ETA: Aug. 26, 2018 "Had 2 seizures in 2 days." (with a flipping the bird emoji)

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

another similar kik related arrest: this a Kokomo kindergarten teacher.

Parents outraged after former Kokomo kindergarten teacher arrested on child *advertiser censored* charges | Fox 59

According to mycase, the charges were from 9/1/2020 but the case not filed until 4/21/21.


04/23/2021
Probable Cause Affidavit Filed
Redacted Affidavit of Probable Cause Form.pdf
Filed By:
State of Indiana
File Stamp:
04/23/2021
04/23/2021
Information Filed
REDACTED INFORMATIONS Ct 1 - 13.pdf
Filed By:
State of Indiana

I think all of these arrests, in a relatively small window of time and geography and circumstance (i.e. the use of KIK) are likely relevant. I think there's something in it. There are a few more dots to join though.

 

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I think all of these arrests, in a relatively small window of time and geography and circumstance (i.e. the use of KIK) are likely relevant. I think there's something in it. There are a few more dots to join though.

I agree. I think there has been a network going on.

 

[DeDee]

I've been thinking the very same thing, EXCEPT: If KAK really were BG, he wouldn't have (IMO) let LE take a DNA sample. It's pretty likely what DNA LE actually has from the CS is not very helpful--small sample, corrupt, degraded, whatever. But KAK couldn't be sure about what LE really does have for DNA evidence. So if he were there and involved in the murders, (again, JMO) he couldn't have let LE have his DNA sample, lest it show him to be involved. I think if he were BG, he'd have found excuses not to give the DNA sample.

Apart from that, I'm in agreement: KAK is a known child-*advertiser censored* consumer, a known catfisher of little girls, an asocial guy with no job, no car (or a '98 Grand Am, depending on which story you hear from him), few friends, and no future to speak of; a loser with a strange fantasy life (his FB list of jobs he's had--bogus and double-bogus) ... yeah, I can definitely see him as BG.

All just my own humble and uninformed opinion, untainted by any shred of relevant experience or training in sociopathic behavior.

While it may appear generous and a show of innocence of KAK to offer up his DNA to officials, all felony arrests in Indiana enable police to take a DNA sample. Hence, he did not have a choice on the matter. Perhaps proving that KAK is highly skilled in manipulation.


"Police in Indiana will now be able to take DNA samples from anyone brought in on a felony arrest warrant after a law passed in 2017 takes effect Jan. 1. Markers from the DNA sample are put into a national database and used to compare with samples at other crimes across the state and country."

Police Can Take DNA From Any Felony Arrestee As Law Takes Effect
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[photographer4]

I agree. He probably did say he would meet up with girls like the police implied in their interview but there’s no way he was ever showing up imo. He would have got laughed out the park.

I am open to that possibility too as it’s the theory I’ve subscribed to all along that it was random but you can’t ignore this. The AS account was clearly talking to lots and lots of girls, so why single out Libby? It’s hard to connect the dots for that scenario.

LG had taken some sort of course regarding crime sometime before she was killed - I remember it being mentioned that may have been why she had the foresight to hit the video / audio record button while concealing the device...... (MOO b/c I cannot look for the link right now).

Is it possible that LG was looking to catch a predator on her own? Maybe she was trying to gather evidence to turn over to LE regarding A_S? If she had ever threatened to do so to A_S that would certainly provide a motive for murder.

 

[cuecard]

LG had taken some sort of course regarding crime sometime before she was killed - I remember it being mentioned that may have been why she had the foresight to hit the video / audio record button while concealing the device...... (MOO b/c I cannot look for the link right now).

Is it possible that LG was looking to catch a predator on her own? Maybe she was trying to gather evidence to turn over to LE regarding A_S? If she had ever threatened to do so to A_S that would certainly provide a motive for murder.

Possible? Of course. But the police in the interview transcript say Libby was "completely enthralled" by the AS account so I personally can't see that being because she wanted to catch him out.

 

[Schatz]

RSBM

I've been thinking on this, too. Why L? Why her? But then, if we believe LE, exactly one week later, ski mask perp was at another girl's window, with who knows what kinds of intentions.

So I'm vaguely wondering if maybe whoever was using the a_shots account in those final weeks had perhaps escalated in their deviant activities and entered into a new, more violent realm of CSAM (as impossible as that seems).

According to KAK, their Vegas trip had been planned for a year in advance. Is it a coincidence that on the two Mondays before that trip, girls communicating with a_shots wind up having encounters with creepy men (BG and ski mask peeper)?

Maybe weed guy wasn't the only person they met up with in Vegas. KAK did say they met one of his dad's friends there. I can't help but wonder why someone connected to a_shots was so active, and willing to take big risks, just before that trip...

I legit think there is a power player mystery man that orchestrated the whole thing. Friend or even relative of Dad Kline, Libby was at a sleepover at the power player’s house, developed a fixation on L, and then used the Klines’ devices to arrange everything. Sounds crazy but …

 

[Spartygirl]

Special Thank You going out to the Murder Sheet from Tricia and Websleuths for getting the copies of the KAK transcripts.

Murder Sheet
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Also, just a reminder that our members ensure they are only posting the redacted copy.

Thanks SB for posting these.

I have been catching snips of it but now finally have the time to listen to the whole video, plus I am reading along with the transcript.

So much info to take in.

 

[Schatz]

I legit think there is a power player mystery man that orchestrated the whole thing. Friend or even relative of Dad Kline, Libby was at a sleepover at the power player’s house, developed a fixation on L, and then used the Klines’ devices to arrange everything. Sounds crazy but …

And that this dude’s motive is something creepy creative because he has the financial means to do nothing but think up twisted plots to satisfy his sadistic tendencies and the black sheep of the family (Klines) to facilitate the dirty work (devices). Then he ropes in TK and JBC to help. An unassuming KAK hangs out at grandpa’s or whatever as the alibi.

 

[photographer4]

Maybe the catfishing got to a certain point and she refused the next step or gave info that she was taking some sort of law enforcement class at the college. Someone could have just been waiting for the right opportunity, It just seems like BG had been on that bridge many times, so IDK. Something that bothers me about KAK being BG, if he really has a seizure disorder. STRESS, as in anticipating kidnapping or murdering 2 young girls, and walking across that bridge could be enough to induce a seizure.

So what kind of seizures is he supposed to have anyhow? I know there are many kinds:
EG: absent / petit mal, you don't hit the floor. It is a brief moment of being unaware of what is going on around you during which your eye lids may flutter while you stare blankly. You can actually outgrow these usually by adulthood, earlier if you're medicated young enough for them.

Grand mal: the drop to the floor and shake ones....

But what about other kinds? Like the ones where you loose muscle tone and may not hit the floor, but your head may droop? Or the one where you can be walking across the street, or shuffling cards and keep doing what you're doing whilst completely out of it? I forget which one this is....

Here is a link to help you learn more about the various types and things that can happen during a seizure: Types of Seizures

So what kind does KAK claim to suffer from and what medications is / was he on at the time for them? Was he taking them consistently?

 

[Schatz]

I declared the post did not contain all of the arrests for CP. But, since you know about a lot of CP arrests, would you mind linking them just as I did earlier? TIA It would be interesting to see if any of them are, or could possibly be, associated with KAK and his bad habits.

Apologies if there are duplicates that have already been shared. Here's a start:

Police: Ellettsville man accused of bestiality, possessing child *advertiser censored* | WANE 15

Cyber tips lead to child *advertiser censored* arrest in south central Indiana | WANE 15

Ex-Franklin College president pleads no contest to child enticement | WANE 15

Angola man arrested on 8 charges of child *advertiser censored* possession | WANE 15
Fort Wayne man sentenced in connection with Huntington Co. child sex trafficking | WANE 15

Wolcottville police officer arrested for alleged child misconduct | WANE 15

FWPD sergeant talks ‘serial pedophile’ case, says videos told the story | WANE 15

Fort Wayne man charged with child *advertiser censored* possession after cybertip is sent to FWPD | WANE 15

Southern Indiana man arrested for child molesting, sexual misconduct with minor | WANE 15

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

LG had taken some sort of course regarding crime sometime before she was killed - I remember it being mentioned that may have been why she had the foresight to hit the video / audio record button while concealing the device...... (MOO b/c I cannot look for the link right now).

Is it possible that LG was looking to catch a predator on her own? Maybe she was trying to gather evidence to turn over to LE regarding A_S? If she had ever threatened to do so to A_S that would certainly provide a motive for murder.

Yup! Strong theory.