Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #145

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FromGermany1 said:
Sorry, you all. The tweet wasn't from 2016 (I could have sworn, it was autumn 2016!!) but from 2017, so big mistake by me. I can't understand it, especially because another tweet, I read yesterday, didn't show up again. I'm now exhausted from the search and scrolling up and down KAK's account. :(

Some snippets:

Kegan Kline
@switchNswishers
15. Feb. 2017

What is going on in our world
-.-.-

@switchNswishers
·
27. Feb. 2017

Get all these *advertiser censored* off the streets http://fb.me/16MpRNKBs
-.-.-
@switchNswishers
·
13. Sep. 2016

Dropped outta school Now we dumb rich
-.-.-

@switchNswishers
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13. Juni 2016

Think I won't choke no *advertiser censored* till the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more?
-.-.-

@switchNswishers
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27. Mai 2016

Can't believe it's my birthday
-.-.-
@switchNswishers
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28. Feb. 2017

Sick of having seizures <---------------
-.-.-
@switchNswishers
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26. März 2017

All alone in a wall less prison
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Next time I will post a copy or I won't say anything, promised. ;)
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In Aug 26, 2018 he wrote on his fb

"2 seizures in 2 days"

In the comments one of his long time (fb) friends says

"I remember the first one you ever had"

To me imo this implies he has been having seizures for some time.
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Schatz said:
I don’t know anything about a meatpackers connection (didn’t start following until a year ago, really), but IIRC, someone posted somewhere many threads ago that there is a meat packing plant in the vicinity and that it is or may be one of the few places that hires felons? (Which - personally I would think it’s likely that a lot of places hire felons these days so IDK.)
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Not only felons, but RSOs, according to earlier threads on this case.
 
acutename said:
how exactly was he working for a marijuana delivery co if he could not drive? as part of a team? on the internet? in an uber? ... he does not seem like an ideal employee for a delivery service IMO, and then there was that statement that he "mostly stayed in his room." ?
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It would probably be easier to count KAK's truthful statements than to count his lies. Remember, he didn't just work for a dope delivery service, he was co-owner, in some of his "biographical" nonsense. Luckily that didn't conflict with his supposed job as a casino pit boss, or his demanding music-recording schedule ... It's cruel to say this, but if he ever told the truth, it was probably accidental.

I've wondered about the timing of the Las Vegas trip(s). One long weekend with dad, right after the 2/13/17 murders, but also a longer trip in 2018, staying with a friend? Is any of that actually documented, do we know? Again, it's cruel but I suspect KAK spent most of his time in Las Vegas, that second trip, sitting on his friend's couch, watching TV and browsing for *advertiser censored* on his phone. :-( I'd be very interested to know what we actually know for certain, about the trips.
 
AC4RD said:
It would probably be easier to count KAK's truthful statements than to count his lies. Remember, he didn't just work for a dope delivery service, he was co-owner, in some of his "biographical" nonsense. Luckily that didn't conflict with his supposed job as a casino pit boss, or his demanding music-recording schedule ... It's cruel to say this, but if he ever told the truth, it was probably accidental.

I've wondered about the timing of the Las Vegas trip(s). One long weekend with dad, right after the 2/13/17 murders, but also a longer trip in 2018, staying with a friend? Is any of that actually documented, do we know? Again, it's cruel but I suspect KAK spent most of his time in Las Vegas, that second trip, sitting on his friend's couch, watching TV and browsing for *advertiser censored* on his phone. :-( I'd be very interested to know what we actually know for certain, about the trips.
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On one of the trips they looked into going to a brothel, but couldn’t afford it.
 
I was trying to find an answer to a DNA question and I came across this 5 pg document. It's an easy read and I thought the bit of info below was interesting.

What Every Law Enforcement Officer Should Know About DNA Evidence
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/bc000614.pdf

Evidence = Possible Location of DNA >Source of DNA
baseball bat or similar weapon = handle, end >sweat, skin, blood, tissue
hat, bandanna, or mask = inside >sweat, hair, dandruff
eyeglasses = nose or ear pieces, lens >sweat, skin
facial tissue, cotton swab = surface area >mucus, blood, sweat, semen, ear wax
dirty laundry = surface area >blood, sweat, semen
toothpick = tips >saliva
used cigarette = cigarette butt >saliva
stamp or envelope = licked area >saliva
tape or ligature = inside/outside surface >skin, sweat
bottle, can, or glass = sides, mouthpiece >saliva, sweat
used condom = inside/outside surface >semen, vaginal or rectal cells
blanket, pillow, sheet = surface area >sweat, hair, semen, urine, saliva
“through and through” bullet = outside surface >blood, tissue
bite mark = person’s skin or clothing >saliva
fingernail, partial fingernail = scrapings >blood, sweat, tissue
 
AC4RD said:
It would probably be easier to count KAK's truthful statements than to count his lies. Remember, he didn't just work for a dope delivery service, he was co-owner, in some of his "biographical" nonsense. Luckily that didn't conflict with his supposed job as a casino pit boss, or his demanding music-recording schedule ... It's cruel to say this, but if he ever told the truth, it was probably accidental.

I've wondered about the timing of the Las Vegas trip(s). One long weekend with dad, right after the 2/13/17 murders, but also a longer trip in 2018, staying with a friend? Is any of that actually documented, do we know? Again, it's cruel but I suspect KAK spent most of his time in Las Vegas, that second trip, sitting on his friend's couch, watching TV and browsing for *advertiser censored* on his phone. :-( I'd be very interested to know what we actually know for certain, about the trips.
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have always doubted his statements but the not-driving means he could not even get to the grands house by himself, so.... do we think he was driving anyway? now I have to imagine this guy not driving while the unreal A_S and TK have multiple fancy vehicles. hmmm.
 
AC4RD said:
It would probably be easier to count KAK's truthful statements than to count his lies. Remember, he didn't just work for a dope delivery service, he was co-owner, in some of his "biographical" nonsense. Luckily that didn't conflict with his supposed job as a casino pit boss, or his demanding music-recording schedule ... It's cruel to say this, but if he ever told the truth, it was probably accidental.

I've wondered about the timing of the Las Vegas trip(s). One long weekend with dad, right after the 2/13/17 murders, but also a longer trip in 2018, staying with a friend? Is any of that actually documented, do we know? Again, it's cruel but I suspect KAK spent most of his time in Las Vegas, that second trip, sitting on his friend's couch, watching TV and browsing for *advertiser censored* on his phone. :-( I'd be very interested to know what we actually know for certain, about the trips.
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I found it telling that most of his social media updates lacked photos other than location maps.
 
"On one of the trips they looked into going to a brothel, but couldn’t afford it."
JnRyan said:
And all that $money$ he made being a casino pit boss, a member of a band and running a marijuana operation!
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There's a lesson for all of us there, even fabulously wealthy casino employees with sideline marketing companies: Do some research and make a budget, before you go on a vacation. Maybe an hour online would have given him an idea about prices, and maybe even found him an online coupon, or a 'group-on,' or something. :)
 
AC4RD said:
"On one of the trips they looked into going to a brothel, but couldn’t afford it."


There's a lesson for all of us there, even fabulously wealthy casino employees with sideline marketing companies: Do some research and make a budget, before you go on a vacation. Maybe an hour online would have given him an idea about prices, and maybe even found him an online coupon, or a 'group-on,' or something. :)
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That made me do research... I thought brothels were legal in Reno, not LV, but apparently, they are legal in neither. In NV, only counties with population less than 700,000 can offer prostitution, so, there are no legal brothels in Las Vegas. Don't solicit prostitution in Clark County, it is illegal, and one can be prosecuted for it. (There are about 20 legal brothels in NV, in more rural areas. Do some research, indeed).
 
Charlot123 said:
In coming from the wrong assumption that the person who kills at home and disposes at another location is more prone to be a necrophile than a “kill for thrill” type, I stumbled onto an interesting article about necrophilia. It is probably not the most pleasant subject, but I found out very interesting things. Except for 57% of them working in places giving access to the material, and some prevalence of stalkers, there is little unifying in the group.

But - maybe it would provide some ideas.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334114117_Necrophilia_An_Understanding
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Copying my own post because me mind goes in circles around this case. Maybe everyone feels the same way.

So, it is hard to formulate it in such a way that my idea is clear, and at the same time, to be e
maximally respectful of the dead. If anyone feels I am less than such, please consider that in my perception, the killed girls are just the victims. I don't know the extent to what the murderer did post mortem, but making a guess, he probably was not more respectful of the girls in their deaths than in lives. MOO.

Now from the article I posted, it appears that very many behaviors involving bodies fall under necrophilia. It does not need to be sexual. Ultimately, except for few exceptions, it is more about the wish to find extremely passive partner than anything else.

Given this, and the fact that 57% of people with this behaviors find jobs in certain areas, the article mentions morticians, pathologists, of course...it is hard not to remember the proximity of the graveyard to the CS.

Could it be so that someone, unhappy for n-th time with his controlling GF/wife, comes to the graveyard, subconsciously looking for such...passive subject? Or maybe it is a graveyard worker - there can be many, the diggers, the people establishing monuments, simply someone taking care of old graves. (Remember how we spoke about someone visiting a relative whose anniversary was on 2/13? That was just one of many reasons to visit the graveyard). And then the person sees the girls, and makes the plan very fast.

It is just MOO. (Honestly, I think KAK has been extracted to the extreme. Not so, TK of course, but we'll see where it leads us).

However, could the entry place for the murderer be the gravesite? For his own reasons?
 
Charlot123 said:
Copying my own post because me mind goes in circles around this case. Maybe everyone feels the same way.

So, it is hard to formulate it in such a way that my idea is clear, and at the same time, to be e
maximally respectful of the dead. If anyone feels I am less than such, please consider that in my perception, the killed girls are just the victims. I don't know the extent to what the murderer did post mortem, but making a guess, he probably was not more respectful of the girls in their deaths than in lives. MOO.

Now from the article I posted, it appears that very many behaviors involving bodies fall under necrophilia. It does not need to be sexual. Ultimately, except for few exceptions, it is more about the wish to find extremely passive partner than anything else.

Given this, and the fact that 57% of people with this behaviors find jobs in certain areas, the article mentions morticians, pathologists, of course...it is hard not to remember the proximity of the graveyard to the CS.

Could it be so that someone, unhappy for n-th time with his controlling GF/wife, comes to the graveyard, subconsciously looking for such...passive subject? Or maybe it is a graveyard worker - there can be many, the diggers, the people establishing monuments, simply someone taking care of old graves. (Remember how we spoke about someone visiting a relative whose anniversary was on 2/13? That was just one of many reasons to visit the graveyard). And then the person sees the girls, and makes the plan very fast.

It is just MOO. (Honestly, I think KAK has been extracted to the extreme. Not so, TK of course, but we'll see where it leads us).

However, could the entry place for the murderer be the gravesite? For his own reasons?
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Thank you for breaking that down. I had wondered where you were going with the necrophilia aspect but couldn’t bear to read more than a paragraph or so of that report.
 
Charlot123 said:
Copying my own post because me mind goes in circles around this case. Maybe everyone feels the same way.

So, it is hard to formulate it in such a way that my idea is clear, and at the same time, to be e
maximally respectful of the dead. If anyone feels I am less than such, please consider that in my perception, the killed girls are just the victims. I don't know the extent to what the murderer did post mortem, but making a guess, he probably was not more respectful of the girls in their deaths than in lives. MOO.

Now from the article I posted, it appears that very many behaviors involving bodies fall under necrophilia. It does not need to be sexual. Ultimately, except for few exceptions, it is more about the wish to find extremely passive partner than anything else.

Given this, and the fact that 57% of people with this behaviors find jobs in certain areas, the article mentions morticians, pathologists, of course...it is hard not to remember the proximity of the graveyard to the CS.

Could it be so that someone, unhappy for n-th time with his controlling GF/wife, comes to the graveyard, subconsciously looking for such...passive subject? Or maybe it is a graveyard worker - there can be many, the diggers, the people establishing monuments, simply someone taking care of old graves. (Remember how we spoke about someone visiting a relative whose anniversary was on 2/13? That was just one of many reasons to visit the graveyard). And then the person sees the girls, and makes the plan very fast.

It is just MOO. (Honestly, I think KAK has been extracted to the extreme. Not so, TK of course, but we'll see where it leads us).

However, could the entry place for the murderer be the gravesite? For his own reasons?
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I don't think the "entry place" was gravesite. Many here have suggested that the exit could have been through cemetery.
Bridge Guy's approach was deliberately strategic, and I still wonder if the road beneath the bridge wasn't a part of his (or their?) scheme.
 
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