Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #146

[sandy_80]

The initial statement issued by LE asking for information about the anthony_shots profile is pretty much the definition of catfishing. It was specifically the Delphi Task Force that requested that information, so that’s connection number one.
We then learned from the KAK/Police interview that KAK was involved in catfishing dozens of girls and one of those girls was Liberty German. KAK admitted that he or someone using his a_s profile was communicating with her, so that’s connection number two.
There is no doubt that the a_s profile created by KAK was catfishing Libby. It’s unsure that catfishing is connected to what happened to the girls that day in Delphi. Could be two separate things going on.
Frankly I don’t care what LE comes out and says publicly anymore. They have proven themselves to be unreliable at best and down right liars on some things. However I can see and read with my own eyes, thanks to the documents that have been released recently, that catfishing is a legitimate part of this investigation.

until I see hard evidence that this was a catfishing crime.. ill keep regarding it as a random one..
I mean if you think le is not reliable ...then what makes them heading into any direction reliable ?
online grooming of teens and minors is such a wide spread thing.. i dont think many realize that ..ive once talked to an 7 year old on some chat site.. what was that girl doing on an adult site ..
again integrations are not for the public cause its filled with lies and other manipulation tactics
the best hint i have is that no one till this minute was named a poi

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Logan's 39 acres are divided into 4 separate parcels. This is the westernmost parcel, upon which the girls' bodies were found, along with the parcel where his home sits:
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The piece of land/parcel highlighted in blue, next to the 3.92 acres which is the one that you have highlighted in turquoise, where are the girls bodies were found, is 6.2 acres which abuts initial crime scene was (turquoise), before it was expanded in February 2018.

In February 2018, specifically February 5, 2018, those 6.2 acres had a quitclaim deed transfer to an unknown grantee. The reason that the transfer to the “grantee” is unknown is because it is sealed. Sealed records. This piece of land that I am talking about, the one that is 6.2 acres, has an outbuilding with Electric and a paved road to it. This outbuilding is only 300 feet away from the crime scene, NNE. The paved road is not accessible via any other roads, but only accessible via RL’s main property where his house sits.

All of the above, including maps and layers (from 2011-2021)to choose from to see various things, like parcels and more, can be found on the Indiana Beacon Portal which is public to anyone who wants to look/research/sleuth: Beacon - Carroll County, IN - Report: 08-06-27-000-001.000-006

(It is my opinion only that the reason that RL needed an alibi was because he knew that some person (BG?) unbeknownst to us, was going to use this outbuilding to murder the girls, and because he already had a record he didn’t want the authorities to find out because that would mean that he was going back to jail. It is my belief that the times that he had an alibi for were the times that the murders took place in his outbuilding, and subsequently when the girls were moved to the original crime scene, where they were found/moved to. In my out of the box neurodivergent mind, all of this is connected! We the public just don’t know about these things, YET. And if not all of this is one heck of a coincidence!
In February 2019 LE told the public that BG had fold them and that they were going in a new direction. I believe that when the transfer of the deed took place on 2/5/18 is when they went in the new direction but they didn’t say anything about it until a year later. I believe that the reason that they waited was because they had recently figured that out in 2018 and between 2018 and 19 they were collecting more evidence. Additionally the pic attached is the quitclaim deed transfer, which can also be found on the beacon portal.)

ETA: typos & to clarify that I don’t think RL murdered A&L. But I think he knew who did.

 

[1886ragtimeplayer]

The piece of land/parcel highlighted in blue, next to the 3.92 acres which is the one that you have highlighted in turquoise, where are the girls bodies were found, is 6.2 acres which abuts initial crime scene was (turquoise), before it was expanded in February 2018.

In February 2018, specifically February 5, 2018, those 6.2 acres had a quitclaim deed transfer to an unknown grantee. The reason that the transfer to the “grantee” is unknown is because it is sealed. Sealed records. This piece of land that I am talking about, the one that is 6.2 acres, has an outbuilding with Electric and a paved road to it. This outbuilding is only 300 feet away from the crime scene, NNE. The paved road is not accessible via any other roads, but only accessible via RL’s main property where his house sits.

All of the above, including maps and layers (from 2011-2021)to choose from to see various things, like parcels and more, can be found on the Indiana Beacon Portal which is public to anyone who wants to look/research/sleuth: Beacon - Carroll County, IN - Report: 08-06-27-000-001.000-006

(It is my opinion only that the reason that RL needed an alibi was because he knew that some person (BG?) unbeknownst to us, was going to use this outbuilding to murder the girls, and because he already had a record he didn’t want the authority’s to find out because that would mean that he was going back to jail. It is my belief that the times that he had an alibi for were the times that the murders took place in his outbuilding, and subsequently when the girls were moved to the original crime scene, where they were found. In my out of the box thinking neurodivergent mind, all of this is connected! We the public just don’t know about these things, YET. And if not all of this is one heck of a coincidence!
In February 2019 LE told the public that BG had fold them and that they were going in a new direction. I believe that when the transfer of the deed took place on 2/5/18 is when they went in the new direction but they didn’t say anything about it until a year later. I believe that the reason that they waited was because they had recently figured that out in 2018 and between 2018 and 19 they were collecting more evidence. Additionally the pic attached is the quitclaim deed transfer, which can also be found on the beacon portal.)

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Do you

Do I what?

 

[1886ragtimeplayer]

Do you really think the killer murdered them in the outhouse and then carried them both down across the creek to the crime scene in broad daylight? To me, that sounds like a stretch. It seems more likely to me that he assaulted them “down the hill” aka under the bridge, and perhaps one or both tried to make a run for it.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Do you really think the killer murdered them in the outhouse and then carried them both down across the creek to the crime scene in broad daylight? To me, that sounds like a stretch. It seems more likely to me that he assaulted them “down the hill” aka under the bridge, and perhaps one or both tried to make a run for it.

The killer wouldn’t have had to carry them down nor across the creek, if the murders were committed in the outbuilding.
That outbuilding is only 300’ away from the crime scene, approximately in the direction of 1 o’clock, north & slightly right of it. The murderer would have had to carry their bodies down from the outbuilding to where they were moved to (where they were found).

 

[Boxer]

The piece of land/parcel highlighted in blue, next to the 3.92 acres which is the one that you have highlighted in turquoise, where are the girls bodies were found, is 6.2 acres which abuts initial crime scene was (turquoise), before it was expanded in February 2018.

In February 2018, specifically February 5, 2018, those 6.2 acres had a quitclaim deed transfer to an unknown grantee. The reason that the transfer to the “grantee” is unknown is because it is sealed. Sealed records. This piece of land that I am talking about, the one that is 6.2 acres, has an outbuilding with Electric and a paved road to it. This outbuilding is only 300 feet away from the crime scene, NNE. The paved road is not accessible via any other roads, but only accessible via RL’s main property where his house sits.

All of the above, including maps and layers (from 2011-2021)to choose from to see various things, like parcels and more, can be found on the Indiana Beacon Portal which is public to anyone who wants to look/research/sleuth: Beacon - Carroll County, IN - Report: 08-06-27-000-001.000-006

(It is my opinion only that the reason that RL needed an alibi was because he knew that some person (BG?) unbeknownst to us, was going to use this outbuilding to murder the girls, and because he already had a record he didn’t want the authorities to find out because that would mean that he was going back to jail. It is my belief that the times that he had an alibi for were the times that the murders took place in his outbuilding, and subsequently when the girls were moved to the original crime scene, where they were found/moved to. In my out of the box neurodivergent mind, all of this is connected! We the public just don’t know about these things, YET. And if not all of this is one heck of a coincidence!
In February 2019 LE told the public that BG had fold them and that they were going in a new direction. I believe that when the transfer of the deed took place on 2/5/18 is when they went in the new direction but they didn’t say anything about it until a year later. I believe that the reason that they waited was because they had recently figured that out in 2018 and between 2018 and 19 they were collecting more evidence. Additionally the pic attached is the quitclaim deed transfer, which can also be found on the beacon portal.)

ETA: typos & to clarify that I don’t think RL murdered A&L. But I think he knew who did.

After 5pm 2/13 the woods were continiously populated by searchers.
LG weighed 200 lbs.
How could that have happened?

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

According to this article from the Carroll County Comet, on 4/26/2014, it says that a burglary at RL’s barn (Google the definition of an outbuilding) had taken place.



(It’s obvious to me that other people did know about it.)



“April 26, 9:49 p.m. – Burglary, 5858W. 300N., Delphi. Ron Logan reported finding a person in his barn who was not authorized to be there. The unidentified person fled the barn prior to police arrival. The suspect was not located. Liggett investigated.”





Police Calls - Carroll County Comet

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

What are your thoughts on LE stating they have evidence from the scene and from elsewhere?

Police say they have evidence from the scene and from elsewhere they can’t share without compromising the integrity of the case.

Bangert: A clue from a ‘hero’ in Delphi homicides

Police think they know what a suspect looks like and sounds like. Now they’re looking for more help to find a killer.

www.jconline.com

Bolded by me for reference.

I sincerely believe that the “from elsewhere” was from the outbuilding/barn/shed/shack, that’s only 300’ from where LE found the girls.

MOO.JMVHO.YMMV.

ETA: typo

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

After 5pm 2/13 the woods were continiously populated by searchers.
LG weighed 200 lbs.
How could that have happened?

I’m not saying that those specific times are the correct times, it was just a guess. but I do believe that it could’ve meant that they’re killer left the outbuilding at that 5 o’clock time. And because RL wanted no ties to the killer, he asked his cousin to cover him for the alibi.

Obviously I cannot guess exactly what happened, when it happened, who it was, etc, nor what LE has regarding every single tiny piece of evidence and information, but my opinion still stands that RL in fact knew that his outbuilding was being used. And that the outbuilding is where the girls were murdered, and then moved from that area to where they found the them. At what times I have no idea but obviously RL needed an alibi for specific times for specific reasons. And I still wholeheartedly believe that the deed transfer (where the outbuilding sits) that happened only weeks after he got out of jail, in Feb ‘18, to an unknown party, was not a coincidence.

ETA: RL could have been an accessory, having helped the killer move LG’s body. Perhaps that’s why he needed alibis, who knows. But at some point I believe that we will find out the whole truth. And without a doubt I believe that some of my speculation, especially regarding that outbuilding, will be (& is) part of the evidence that LE has.

 

[Boxer]

I’m not saying that those specific times are the correct times, it was just a guess. but I do believe that it could’ve meant that they’re killer left the outbuilding at that 5 o’clock time. And because RL wanted no ties to the killer, he asked his cousin to cover him for the alibi.

Obviously I cannot guess exactly what happened, when it happened, who it was, etc, nor what LE has regarding every single tiny piece of evidence and information, but my opinion still stands that RL in fact knew that his outbuilding was being used. And that the outbuilding is where the girls were murdered, and then moved from that area to where they found the them. At what times I have no idea but obviously RL needed an alibi for specific times for specific reasons. And I still wholeheartedly believe that the deed transfer (where the outbuilding sits) that happened only weeks after he got out of jail, in Feb ‘18, to an unknown party, was not a coincidence.

ETA: RL could have been an accessory, having helped the killer move LG’s body. Perhaps that’s why he needed alibis, who knows. But at some point I believe that we will find out the whole truth. And without a doubt I believe that some of my speculation, especially regarding that outbuilding, will be (& is) part of the evidence that LE has.

Can you tell.me.where the outbuilding is?
RL's structures all appear clustered around his house.

 

[Boxer]

About the sale of his property post jail, he had a reverse mortgage on hia farm.
The sentence he got made RL violate of the terms of the RM loan, in that he had to live at his property.
Very nasty of the insanely hypocritical drug sex addled judge.
MOO maybe RL sold the acreage to pay off the loan.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I’m not saying that those specific times are the correct times, it was just a guess. but I do believe that it could’ve meant that they’re killer left the outbuilding at that 5 o’clock time. And because RL wanted no ties to the killer, he asked his cousin to cover him for the alibi.

Obviously I cannot guess exactly what happened, when it happened, who it was, etc, nor what LE has regarding every single tiny piece of evidence and information, but my opinion still stands that RL in fact knew that his outbuilding was being used. And that the outbuilding is where the girls were murdered, and then moved from that area to where they found the them. At what times I have no idea but obviously RL needed an alibi for specific times for specific reasons. And I still wholeheartedly believe that the deed transfer (where the outbuilding sits) that happened only weeks after he got out of jail, in Feb ‘18, to an unknown party, was not a coincidence.

ETA: RL could have been an accessory, having helped the killer move LG’s body. Perhaps that’s why he needed alibis, who knows. But at some point I believe that we will find out the whole truth. And without a doubt I believe that some of my speculation, especially regarding that outbuilding, will be (& is) part of the evidence that LE has.

I'm not following your outbuilding reference; do you mean the barn where he kept his horses?

RL had a reverse mortgage on his property and it went into foreclosure proceedings in the end of Dec. 2017. The loan was reinstated and the case was dismissed on Feb. 9,2018. I don't know the specifics of the reinstatement.
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[AC4RD]

There is no doubt that the a_s profile created by KAK was catfishing Libby. It’s unsure that catfishing is connected to what happened to the girls that day in Delphi. Could be two separate things going on.

Snipped respectfully to narrow the focus. This is one of the honkin' big questions about this case, isn't it? I originally believed that the online stuff had nothing to do with the murders. Then after LE asked about A_s and we started learning all that stuff about KAK, I wound up changing my mind. There are just so many odd little datapoints (LG the day before, maybe even the day OF the murders, the flight to Las Vegas, the fake job date, the father's fake "not in 2 years, the DNA search, etc.) that I now think KAK pretty much HAS to have been involved in some way.

That doesn't sound like pure coincidence to ME, but I've been on both sides of the question, and IMO both sides are valid suppositions. @sandy_80 might be right, that the catfishing was just coincidence. Or that might be wrong, and @Boxer's scenario in message #800, above, is right. To quote the ISP: "One day we'll know."

Let me work in a few more points? Many thanks to Aspie for all the research about RL's land! Jazzbyrd, a new friend--I think you're right that LG slipped the phone in her pocket as BG approached, that seems logical. AND: I can't see facebook videos, I don't know if that's because I don't have a facebook account, or because I'm using a Bulgarian Army surplus laptop and some of the tubes haven't been changed since the Normandy landings. Is the KAK dancing onstage video on youtube anywhere? Thanks! --ken

 

[FrostedGlass]

About the sale of his property post jail, he had a reverse mortgage on hia farm.
The sentence he got made RL violate of the terms of the RM loan, in that he had to live at his property.
Very nasty of the insanely hypocritical drug sex addled judge.
MOO maybe RL sold the acreage to pay off the loan.

We posted at the same time. Maybe his son put up the money?

 

[Boxer]

Evidence from elsewhere? Wow. That is new to me.

 

[Boxer]

Just thinking. If two perps were involved.
One could have parked at CPS and the other at Mears.
MOO the official trail drop off is on the Delphi side of Freedom Bridge, meaning the CPS lot is fairly unconnected.

And you need to know, or be good guesser that you can get on the MHB trail by just walking toward the creek through, I think, private property.

 

[Ozoner]

I’m not saying that those specific times are the correct times, it was just a guess. but I do believe that it could’ve meant that they’re killer left the outbuilding at that 5 o’clock time. And because RL wanted no ties to the killer, he asked his cousin to cover him for the alibi.

Obviously I cannot guess exactly what happened, when it happened, who it was, etc, nor what LE has regarding every single tiny piece of evidence and information, but my opinion still stands that RL in fact knew that his outbuilding was being used. And that the outbuilding is where the girls were murdered, and then moved from that area to where they found the them. At what times I have no idea but obviously RL needed an alibi for specific times for specific reasons. And I still wholeheartedly believe that the deed transfer (where the outbuilding sits) that happened only weeks after he got out of jail, in Feb ‘18, to an unknown party, was not a coincidence.

ETA: RL could have been an accessory, having helped the killer move LG’s body. Perhaps that’s why he needed alibis, who knows. But at some point I believe that we will find out the whole truth. And without a doubt I believe that some of my speculation, especially regarding that outbuilding, will be (& is) part of the evidence that LE has.

We already know that the girls were killed where they were found, not in any outbuilding.

 

[Boxer]

We already know that the girls were killed where they were found, not in any outbuilding.

True the police said that, but what they say is for their own reasons, MOO can't be used as fact.
Even so, we don't know if they were taken somewhere first then walked to the CS.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

We already know that the girls were killed where they were found, not in any outbuilding.

I’m totally confused because this article says “Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were “moved and staged” at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8.”

Is that lie?

FBI agent: Bodies 'moved and staged' in Delphi murders, suspect took clothing