Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #147

[TL4S]

And this today:

08/25/2022

Automated ENotice Issued to Parties Order Granting Motion to Seal Public Records ---- 8/24/2022 : Andrew A. Achey;Miami County Probation Department;Jeffrey Kent Sinkovics;Rhett Christopher Lee Order Granting Agreement of Parties ---- 8/24/2022 : Andrew A. Achey;Miami County Probation Department;Jeffrey Kent Sinkovics;Rhett Christopher Lee Order Issued ---- 8/24/2022 : Andrew A. Achey;Miami County Probation Department;Jeffrey Kent Sinkovics;Rhett Christopher Lee Does this mean they resealed public records?

It looks like that was documenting yesterday, maybe? It says 8/24/2022.

 

[FrostedGlass]

In the Enotice, they didn't include the unsealing for some reason. Maybe the notice went out early in the day, before the records were unsealed.

 

[sandy_80]

Have you read about his dad? He may be ratting on his dad but "framing"? IMO, not likely.

what exactly should i read
that HE IS BG ?..you clearly nor i know this or anything related to his guilt as evidence...he sounds and looks nothing like the video and audio nor does he fit the killer profile in my opinion
so accusing him as bg would be framing if he is not ...right ?
MPO

 

[carbuff]

Some people are being critical of the way the search looks. That the men don't look professional enough or aren't in uniforms. I'm assuming it was a hot August day there, I'm not sure what exactly people think they should be wearing. Everyone seems to think life looks like the movies, but it doesn't. A lot of police work is grunt work, not pretty, not particularly fancy. I see nothing about the photos that makes me think it's not important.
I believe Murder Sheet with this.

Add to that that often divers and other search teams are part time or volunteers who aren't part of the uniformed force in the first place. They look like I'd expect them to look.

I assume if they found anything, we won't hear about it for quite some time, either.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Does anyone think it’s a possibility that someone set KAK up to be the patsy?

When Doug Carter said in the 2019 presser, “In more than two years, you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy, but we have.”, that he was letting BG know that they were on to him?

* just thinking out loud*

 

[FrostedGlass]

what exactly should i read
that HE IS BG ?..you clearly nor i know this or anything related to his guilt as evidence...he sounds and looks nothing like the video and audio nor does he fit the killer profile in my opinion
so accusing him as bg would be framing if he is not ...right ?
MPO

What we know he's capable of (Murder Sheet, criminal history) makes him a good POI for Delphi. I think he resembles the video as much as any of the other POIs but the problem is his high voice. However, I'm not convinced that he's BG but I sure believe he's in up to his eyeballs in the KAK case.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I hope that if this turns out that KK is finally talking about who ever did do this that that person does not off himself.

I think it’s possible that she that TK set KAK to be the fall guy. And the reason why it may have taken KK a long time to give LE the one piece that they needed was because he didn’t believe that his father would have done that to him.
Just thinking out loud different possibilities.

 

[DetectiveDraper]

here is a new scenario for you
what if this creep is trying to make a deal by framing his dad and sending le on a wild goose chase ..that IF any of this coming out is legit

Do we think KK is physically capable of committing this crime? If we believe KK committed these crimes alone, then we have to also believe that BG is not the killer and has nothing to do with the crime, because there is no way KK is BG.

Which brings up interesting questions/facts to speculate on (yes some of these are very pedestrian and seemingly canonized and referred to as solved/definitive by followers of the case, but on closer inspection the details are not that clear IMO, or are open to interpretation, or there have been changes overtime by LE regarding their official stance, LE agencies contradicted each other, etc.)

• This is one of the only cases, if not the only case, I have ever followed that included multiple composite sketches that were never clearly elaborated on by investigators. Are we supposed to disregard one of the sketches? Are we supposed to keep both in mind and look for individuals that fall somewhere in the middle of the two sketches appearance wise? Why was the first sketch inaccurate? Why was there a need for a second sketch?
• Which brings me to -- five years later and how many thousands of leads, and we haven't been told if LE suspects one killer, or more than one person. This makes sense if LE, smartly so, wants to withhold to confirm a confession later on. If they want to surprise one killer by saying, for example, "listen, we know you didn't do this by yourself ... so we will give you one chance to tell the truth, because the other guy is talking". And we know from the recently released interrogation transcript, investigators are doing just that with KK and his father. Did they suspect two people all along? What could have given them that impression?
• What are the odds that Libby was talking to a child predator, possibly two child predators using the same catfish account, and then is brutally murdered the next day? Sure there are always outliers to statistics, but seriously what are the odds?!

Many more but that's more than enough for now.

I personally didn't think much of KK as a suspect for the longest time. He's obviously not BG. I don't think he is physically capable of murdering two athletic young teens. I didn't think his "circle" was sophisticated enough or matched the profile I had developed in my head and with the help of sleuthing friends. That being said, his father sure seems to have been smart enough to set him up to take the fall.

 

[carbuff]

Does anyone think it’s a possibility that someone set KAK up to be the patsy?

When Doug Carter said in the 2019 presser, “In more than two years, you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy, but we have.”, that he was letting BG know that they were on to him?

* just thinking out loud*

Yes. Yes, I definitely think he might have walked into somebody's trap.

Though that's more likely in a detective novel than in real life...

 

[DetectiveDraper]

And this today:

08/25/2022

Automated ENotice Issued to Parties Order Granting Motion to Seal Public Records ---- 8/24/2022 : Andrew A. Achey;Miami County Probation Department;Jeffrey Kent Sinkovics;Rhett Christopher Lee Order Granting Agreement of Parties ---- 8/24/2022 : Andrew A. Achey;Miami County Probation Department;Jeffrey Kent Sinkovics;Rhett Christopher Lee Order Issued ---- 8/24/2022 : Andrew A. Achey;Miami County Probation Department;Jeffrey Kent Sinkovics;Rhett Christopher Lee Does this mean they resealed public records?

Is this basically an internal gag order? Someone with legal/paralegal experience who could elaborate would be greatly appreciated! Is this to basically keep the press from digging around and releasing things?

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Yes. Yes, I definitely think he might have walked into somebody's trap.

Though that's more likely in a detective novel than in real life...

But it definitely could be possible from someone that he shared CSAM with.

m00

 

[sandy_80]

What we know he's capable of (Murder Sheet, criminal history) makes him a good POI for Delphi. I think he resembles the video as much as any of the other POIs but the problem is his high voice. However, I'm not convinced that he's BG but I sure believe he's in up to his eyeballs in the KAK case.

any bad guy around and there are so many ( like some suspects we had ) can be eligible for this
as we dont know what BG is exactly until he is identified.. he might be a serial killer/offender/rapist or might be the average dude no one suspected of anything
the video aspect seems pretty subjective and differs according to person preference

 

[Jade]

Do we think KK is physically capable of committing this crime? If we believe KK committed these crimes alone, then we have to also believe that BG is not the killer and has nothing to do with the crime, because there is no way KK is BG.

Which brings up interesting questions/facts to speculate on (yes some of these are very pedestrian and seemingly canonized and referred to as solved/definitive by followers of the case, but on closer inspection the details are not that clear IMO, or are open to interpretation, or there have been changes overtime by LE regarding their official stance, LE agencies contradicted each other, etc.)

• This is one of the only cases, if not the only case, I have ever followed that included multiple composite sketches that were never clearly elaborated on by investigators. Are we supposed to disregard one of the sketches? Are we supposed to keep both in mind and look for individuals that fall somewhere in the middle of the two sketches appearance wise? Why was the first sketch inaccurate? Why was there a need for a second sketch?
• Which brings me to -- five years later and how many thousands of leads, and we haven't been told if LE suspects one killer, or more than one person. This makes sense if LE, smartly so, wants to withhold to confirm a confession later on. If they want to surprise one killer by saying, for example, "listen, we know you didn't do this by yourself ... so we will give you one chance to tell the truth, because the other guy is talking". And we know from the recently released interrogation transcript, investigators are doing just that with KK and his father. Did they suspect two people all along? What could have given them that impression?
• What are the odds that Libby was talking to a child predator, possibly two child predators using the same catfish account, and then is brutally murdered the next day? Sure there are always outliers to statistics, but seriously what are the odds?!

Many more but that's more than enough for now.

I personally didn't think much of KK as a suspect for the longest time. He's obviously not BG. I don't think he is physically capable of murdering two athletic young teens. I didn't think his "circle" was sophisticated enough or matched the profile I had developed in my head and with the help of sleuthing friends. That being said, his father sure seems to have been smart enough to set him up to take the fall.

Yes, I do think KAK is physically capable of committing the crime.

More importantly I believe he is mentally capable which is the aspect that would be much harder to overcome than physically walking a trail, scaring little girls down the hill at gunpoint, going a short distance then leaving them where they lay.

KAK is BG, imo.

Since this has been discussed before I believe WS protocol is to link the posts.


-KAK LE video on same screen as BG catches same head tilt forward, coloring, smirky expression, imo:

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

-Three pictures of BG in the beginning one shorter and heavier:

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

-No great physical efforts took place as, imo, a gun was used to scare little girls down a hill and no other feats took place beyond walking them at gun point to where they were killed and left in place, imo.

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

-The early shorter heavier BG picture before possible manipulation to make clearer:

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144


KAK is completely capable of carrying out this crime both physically and mentally as it seems it was quite simply done without a great deal of effort ex. taking one or both to a private home or other location outside of the park, or burying them, imo.



BG is just a garden variety pervert with no special abilities or intelligence like KAK.



All imo

 

[sandy_80]

.. the BG we see and the bg who walked the broken bridge so easily with hands in pockets ..the bg who controlled two fit girls so easily up and down the trails was
a fit guy and not this huge simpleton dude
<modsnip - personalizing>

 

[M. Kay]

This is one of the only cases, if not the only case, I have ever followed that included multiple composite sketches that were never clearly elaborated on by investigators. Are we supposed to disregard one of the sketches? Are we supposed to keep both in mind and look for individuals that fall somewhere in the middle of the two sketches appearance wise?

This was 'elaborated on' in the press conference to reveal the second sketch about two years into investigation. Yes we were told to consider the individual may or may not be a mix of the two. Much discussion followed about this sketch being possibly a drawing from the photo of the 'Anthony Shots' hunky model used to catfish. (He eventually became a cop himself, was troubled by the appropriation.) The Kline account wasn't revealed two years in though; it was known by family and law enforcement the night the girls disappeared.

 

[ShamelessObserver]

Can someone edit an audio clip of TK’s voice and make it deeper?

I’m just wondering if he indeed is BG, he lowered his voice to the girls to appear authoritive.

 

[TL4S]

So the collection of details we know might be true:

-a_shots was linked via subpoena to the Peru house
-a_shots was communicating with L in the days leading to and the day of the murders, plus after the murders
-a_shots was communicating with L's friends before and after the murders, even stating he was supposed to meet her, some while in Vegas
-KAK's device looked up a location in Delphi on day of murders
-KAK's device and another were logging in and out of a_shots account rapidly on the morning of the murders
-KAK's device was wiped clean before giving to LE

Unless KAK's device is guilty of the murders, I'd guess LE's goal is proving who the user was. JMO.

 

[Jade]

.. the BG we see and the bg who walked the broken bridge so easily with hands in pockets ..the bg who controlled two fit girls so easily up and down the trails was
a fit guy and not this huge simpleton dude
you can see what you like though .. its a matter of mental persuasion
MPO>>>

No need to be fit with a gun, of course.

Walking on the bridge with hands in pocket is fearless not fit.

That’s the mind at work compelling the body.

Overweight people are capable and active too.

Evidence says he has been up and down in weight he was heavier in LE video than he had been.



I’m uncomfortable with the implied allegations that the girls were to fight off a perp.



all imo

 

[minazoe]

he has youth on his side. but I don't think he's the dude on the bridge. mOO

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

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