I am not sure that LE would just say it at this point. Not officially anyway. I just don't think it is a term they use until they have enough to make an arrest. Reasonable cause JMO IMO
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How do you get "not convicted" out of that?
Here's an interesting read on False Informing: http://www.fortwaynereader.com/story.php?uid=3162
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Open Alcoholic Beverage Container During Operation of a Motor Vehicle, 9-24-19-
Come on now people
..this is a person who definitely has a problem with alcohol. Maybe its only in recent years and thats why his skin looks great. He still has the broken capillaries, bags under eyes and yellowing common in people who drink a lot.
He no doubt has told lies in the past in relation to his alcohol issues. Does not make one a murderer.
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Wasn't he on the news @ 6:00 pm on February 13th?
I could swear he was!
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To my friends before the shutdown it might turn ugly but we all respect each other's opinions and ability to respectfully communicate. In case it gets ugly I love y'all. Ykwim
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This is a general call to regroup, to center our thinking on a core set of issues, and see if we have made any progress within that group.
1) Where were the girls dropped off of their hike - at the normal entry from the bridge over 25, or at someplace they knew and liked, like the cemetery next to RL's property as well as their final resting place. This is important. IMO
2) What directions did they walk, and when BG got to them with his "down the hill" directive, where were they going?
3) How did they get to their finally resting places and were they alive when they got there. If they were not alive when they got there, then how were they moved and over what distance?
4) Why were they killed? Was it a combo of sexual assault and power in the mind of a sicko, was it an act of revenge, was it a local or a non-local?? Were they stalked, followed, or expected?
5) What happened to the phone(s)?
6) What was the COD?
7) Were the girls not killed where they were found, but transported over there when there was a chance?
8) Why did the killer(s) pick RL's property as a place to leave the girls? Was it the proximity to the cemetery? Was it random?
9) With the singular luck to have a photo of the POI and his voice on tape, why has no one come forward to identify him?
10) As for RL, why did he choose the time on the day of the murders, to leave his house just as the search would have started, and come back just as it was getting dark. He knew people were looking for the girls. The next morning, same thing. He took off before the search resumed and came back just as the girls were found. That is some interesting timing IMO.
11) With a seizure of two teens and their subsequent murder in a wooded but inhabited area, why were no cries sounded by any of the nearby dogs? People who live in those kinds os places almost always have dogs, and dogs know when something really bad is happening. There should have been a hue and cry, not silence.
Just trying to organize the main topics so we can come together to refocus on the important stuff. IMOO.
1) Where were the girls dropped off of their hike - at the normal entry from the bridge over 25, or at someplace they knew and liked, like the cemetery next to RL's property as well as their final resting place. This is important. IMO
2) What directions did they walk, and when BG got to them with his "down the hill" directive, where were they going?
3) How did they get to their finally resting places and were they alive when they got there. If they were not alive when they got there, then how were they moved and over what distance?
4) Why were they killed? Was it a combo of sexual assault and power in the mind of a sicko, was it an act of revenge, was it a local or a non-local?? Were they stalked, followed, or expected?
5) What happened to the phone(s)?
6) What was the COD?
7) Were the girls not killed where they were found, but transported over there when there was a chance?
8) Why did the killer(s) pick RL's property as a place to leave the girls? Was it the proximity to the cemetery? Was it random?
9) With the singular luck to have a photo of the POI and his voice on tape, why has no one come forward to identify him?
10) As for RL, why did he choose the time on the day of the murders, to leave his house just as the search would have started, and come back just as it was getting dark. He knew people were looking for the girls. The next morning, same thing. He took off before the search resumed and came back just as the girls were found. That is some interesting timing IMO.
11) With a seizure of two teens and their subsequent murder in a wooded but inhabited area, why were no cries sounded by any of the nearby dogs? People who live in those kinds os places almost always have dogs, and dogs know when something really bad is happening. There should have been a hue and cry, not silence.
Just trying to organize the main topics so we can come together to refocus on the important stuff. IMOO.
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Correct, but LE was saying he didn't speak the truth as a reason they were looking closer at him. Seems that if he were just mistaken or not deliberately saying something incorrect it wouldn't have raised a red flag for them, no?
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This guy is on their radar for a reason. What is that reason?
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https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...6TTNNVGt3TnpFd01qTXdPakUxTWprd05EVXhZVE09In19
You can click the State of Indiana v. Ronald E Logan and it will open and show the pleadings, disposition, etc
on this one top has charges...long index of the various pleadings--court filings--memos etc--
Scroll way down
and you find
10/08/2014
Judgment
Judicial Officer: Fouts, Kurtis
01. 9-30-5-3(a)(1)/FD: Operating a Vehicle with a BAC of .08 or greater
• Plea by Agreement
02. 9-30-5-2(b)/MA: Operating A Vehicle While Intoxicated; Endangering A Person
• Dismissed
03. 9-30-5-1(a)(1)/MC: Operating a Vehicle with a BAC of .08 or More per Blood
• Dismissed
04. 35-44.1-2-3(d)(1)/MA: False Informing
• Dismissed
05. 9-24-19-2/MA: Driving While Suspended (Prior w/in 10 years)
• Dismissed
06. 9-21-8-31/IFC: Failure to Yield Right of Way at Entrance to Through Highway
• Dismissed
HTH
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They also mention other SW's AND Polygraphs. I wonder who else they are questioning?
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This is not necessarily "related to alcohol issues." He was also convicted of driving under a suspended license, he could have been lying about that. (My name is George Jetson and I left my license in my spaceship).
In any case, he has a history of lying to LE to try to stay out of trouble. It absolutely does not make him a murderer, but it certainly makes him a liar.
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If a charge is dismissed one cannot be "Convicted" of it.
I'm still in the camp that it may to do with someone staying over his place (more than 1). Throw him off my giving him money to leave and buy fish. Whom ever was there was free to do whatever. Speculation of course. I haven't changed my mind on this since the beginning.
35-44.1-2-3(d)(1)/MA: False Informing
Dismissed
This is what's known as "charge stacking", by the way. The police and prosecutors will stack multiple charges onto a case in an effort to convince the accused that there is no realistic option apart from entering a guilty plea.
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Thanks for that!https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...6TTNNVGt3TnpFd01qTXdPakUxTWprd05EVXhZVE09In19
You can click the State of Indiana v. Ronald E Logan and it will open and show the pleadings, disposition, etc
on this one top has charges...long index of the various pleadings--court filings--memos etc--
Scroll way down
and you find
10/08/2014
Judgment
Judicial Officer: Fouts, Kurtis
01. 9-30-5-3(a)(1)/FD: Operating a Vehicle with a BAC of .08 or greater
Plea by Agreement
02. 9-30-5-2(b)/MA: Operating A Vehicle While Intoxicated; Endangering A Person
Dismissed
03. 9-30-5-1(a)(1)/MC: Operating a Vehicle with a BAC of .08 or More per Blood
Dismissed
04. 35-44.1-2-3(d)(1)/MA: False Informing
Dismissed
05. 9-24-19-2/MA: Driving While Suspended (Prior w/in 10 years)
Dismissed
06. 9-21-8-31/IFC: Failure to Yield Right of Way at Entrance to Through Highway
Dismissed
HTH
So he was charged but not convicted because he copped a plea to the more serious felony charges.
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If you choose Go Advanced button instead of quick reply you can preview and fix it if you've accidentally deleted [ ] /. It's easy to mess it up on a touch screen.
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My last comment before the great shutdown, innocent until proven guilty.
Justice for Abby and Libby HOWEVER it unfolds.
Justice for Abby and Libby HOWEVER it unfolds.
I still wonder if RL leases out some pasture to people with horses or lets them board horses on his place? This would mean other people would be on and off of his property. Or possibly letting others store their farm equipment in one of his barns. Would this be feasible at his property? Thanks
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