IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 - #35

[trenchmouth]

I don't think RL is involved in any way, shape, or form. I think LE has few if any real solid leads so they are eliminating the first most highly visible potential suspect first.

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[apples12]

Technically that's what everyone is doing, though. People that swear his innocence are also basing their opinions on suppositions and not facts. "He's too old" "He's a nice old man" "He's not an alcoholic" "He wouldn't do this" "He doesn't look anything like the picture" "I would swear he would never have done this" when in fact NONE of us know him (That I know of, anyway) and everything we do or say here is based on nothing but personal opinions based on our own personal experiences and conjecture. None of us have the full picture with all of the facts so we're just trying to piece the thing together the best we can. Doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong, but it's certainly not up to us to judge each other on our opinions or life experiences.

Very well said.

 

[tokyorose]

is it the carroll county ems and fire?

Nope but if you head down to the basement... you'll figure it out.

 

[skibaboo]

Thank you very much!!!

Are those the only ones we know about?

:tyou:

Yep. Those are the only ones that have been mentioned in MSM/by LE

 

[trenchmouth]

LE should also check his recent shoe purchases.

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[apples12]

I just don't think it's right to say these sorts of things online about this guy who none of us know. LE has not ruled him in or out so as far as I am concerned it's in extremely poor taste.

To my knowledge, everyone is within the TOS of this site.

 

[Mcumings]

looks like the same holster that BG has on under his jacket. My son and i carry the same holster. Is there a convenience store near the trail head next to 25? Or maybe if i were to walk from say bicycle bridge rd to RLs house using the trail as an access route would i pass a convenience store?

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[Mainemom76]

So your experience with other people who you have met/know is the basis for you acting like you know RL personally? PLEASE. Every single person is different. You cannot say because you have met some bad apples that you can form an opinion or pass judgements on someone who you don't know and know next to nothing about.

Kindly grandpas can be alcoholics. JMO

 

[kittymittons]

Still not sure what RL being or not being an alcoholic has to do with any of this. JMO.

 

[WickedLester]

Would LE release if one of the girls was being sexually abused or had been in the past? It doesn't seem like they would to me. /moo

Im talking like a motive of revenge or if they were there to meet someone as is continuously speculated.

There no facts to indicate either of those scenarios and if there are, LE has chosen not to release them.

id like to start with the most simple and go from there. They have the property owner in custody, and did a huge search on his property. They have not ruled him out after 5 weeks. He has stopped talking to police , which is a huge red flag for me.

Id like to see what he knows. There are ways he could be involved either before or after the fact that are important other than just him being BG.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Nope but if you head down to the basement... you'll figure it out.

i don't know what that is? How do i get there?

 

[jenthern]

Your post confuses me; you start out by talking about your family members who drink and drive and compare that with RL's penchant for drinking and driving. Fair comment indeed.

Then you start to discuss alcoholism into the mix. But why?

Someone who finishes the day at the bar does not make them an alcoholic.

Now if you have other reasons to believe that this habit is related to other red flags of alcoholism then I understand that:

i.e., Do they drink first think in the morning, drink on the job, miss work, perform their job poorly, drink when no one's looking, drink in secret, are they unable to stop?

Believe me when I say in many countries, people go to bars and pubs after a day's work, and there is nothing in that. I live in France, everyone drinks wine and Pastis daily, believe me. These people, in general, are not alcoholics.

Drinking and driving, absolutely abhorrent. Going for drinks after work, even daily, does not make you an alcoholic. We call it going for "sundowners."

And from the way you lovingly describe your family members, unless you could give evidences to the contrary (see questions), which I would not expect you to share, then I would ask you to reconsider your thinking of them as alcoholics. You describe them as pillars of the community, which I have no doubt they are. What they are is foolish and dangerous but that is a far cry from alcoholism.

Sorry if I offend, it is not my intention. You sound like you love your family dearly. IMO

I do, and they are definitely alcoholics, albeit high-functioning alcoholics. They fit nearly every bullet point on this page, but I won't go into it any further. You can read over it, if you so choose. Like I said, everyone can believe what they choose to believe. People dependent on alcohol are alcoholics. My family members and RL are, in my opinion, most definitely alcoholics in every sense of the word.

http://www.addiction-intervention.c...ow-to-recognize-a-high-functioning-alcoholic/

 

[Evania]

I agree the meet up was not with some catfish or random person... I believe the meet up was with someone they knew IMHO.... I think when BG showed up that may have been what triggered Libby to start filming, this was clearly not who was suppose to be there at that specfic time to meet up with them.... All IMHO

That's an interesting angle that I haven't considered! Running off that, I wonder if it was someone they knew, but felt uneasy around or warned by adults to stay away from because they seemed a bit odd. For instance, Libby may have turned on her video to capture the encounter because "oh crap...Here comes so and so."

If it was someone they knew, but had mostly positive interactions with, I don't think she would have felt the need to videotape. Yeah, they may have been surprised in an "Oh hi, Mr. So and So" kind of manner, but maybe not necessarily threatened. JMO

Thanks for your insight!

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[FreeRoad]

I'd like to know if someone. Went with Mr.L
To town that afternoon.
A d is it possible the bridge guy was walking to Mr. L to go with him.

:what::bombshell:hwow:

was this brought up already? the possibilities...the implications...sorry if I'm slow to catch on, but first I'd heard of this idea...so hard to keep up.

 

[skibaboo]

i don't know what that is? How do i get there?

The basement as we call it, is member only area of the forum, notably in this case The Parking Lot (this is where the scanner threads are located) It's private as it is for more sensitive subjects. Anything heard on the scanner must stay down there We can't bring that up here

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[Spellbound]

My post would say the same if it were allowed in...are mods screening all posts? mine said it would post after review. What is that? It's not any worse than what I have seen on here so far. lol

It happened to me once .... because the post I was quoting was in the process of being deleted. Doesn't mean there was anything wrong with what you wrote.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Did either one of the girls live near Bicycle Bridge Rd?

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I take it no one knows this info?

Nevermind, I'm stepping away from WS for awhile.



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[Elley Mae]

I don't think RL is involved in any way, shape, or form. I think LE has few if any real solid leads so they are eliminating the first most highly visible potential suspect first.

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I'm in the same boat. I feel like there is no there, there.

If he is in jail because he has violated his probation on a dwi/dui, they have used that to search his home in relationship to the murders. Not sure how legal that is. Seems they have overstepped to me. Jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Wed Feb 15,2017
3 p.m. Indiana State Police and the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department hold a news conference confirming that the bodies found Tuesday are those of Liberty and Abigail. They say the case is being investigated as a double homicide.
They say they don’t believe there’s any immediate danger to the community.
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/02/16/time...eenagers-liberty-german-and-abigail-Williams/


By February 15,2017 detectives had developed a theory that their perp(s) were not a danger to the community. Although comments were added at a later time that parents continue to be vigilant monitoring social media usage and their children's activities/whereabouts.


I was curious what led investigators to develop an early working theory that the community was not in immediate danger?


Could it be that they suspected either one or both Abby and Libby were singled out by the perp(s)
Or,could there be evidence from the phone or CS that the murder(s)were on the move?
Could it be that evidence led them to think this was not random murder?
Was the CS staged (not like in a SK )but a 'signature of sorts' indicating this was deeply personal?
Did they suspect there was another CS nearby?


:cow:

Its all puzzling to me. Although I have seen LE countless times in other cases come out and say the same thing...... that community wasn't in any danger and in so many of those cases it turned out to be committed by a total stranger to the victim/s when they were finally caught. Here they have said the community isnt in any danger but then on the other hand they tell the parents to be vigilant which is an opposing statement of what they previously said. I have learned to pay no attention to the police when they stress the community isnt in any danger because so often when the perp was arrested he/she was a total stranger so of course until they are caught any community would be in danger. Although the majority of the time a perp will not strike again in the very same location that has police swarming everywhere. So maybe that is why most LE state this to the communities involved with crimes like this. I really don't know but I have been infuriated at times because it gave the community a false sense of relief thinking the killer/s were someone the victim/s knew when that turned out not to be the case at all.

Example among many cases: When the two Husted parents were murdered LE immediately came out and said the community wasn't in any danger implying they were murdered by someone that knew them and were targeted. This allowed the real murderer to go on and break into other homes and he almost killed another woman before finally being caught. He had no connection whatsoever to the parents who were murdered. He was a home invader and targeted their home because it sat back off of the road further than the other homes.

As an aside I don't think these murders had anything to do with social media where they planned to meet someone they had conversed with online. In one of the later PCs LE said all these young girls were doing was going out to enjoy a hike that day when they were off from school. (paraphrasing of course)

And if they suspected RL all along then why would they say the community isn't in danger knowing he lives right there?

And what is even more puzzling to me if RL knows the killer then someone in that town would have known him too. So much concentration is now on RL even though LE hasn't even labeled him a suspect or POI. Yet the one that LE has said IS a SUSPECT in Abi and Libbys's murders seems to have become secondary even though he still out there free as a bird which allows him more time to harm more innocent victims.

IMO

 

[apples12]

I'm interested to know why it's relevant to some of you whether or not RL is an alcoholic. You don't have to be an alcoholic to get drunk and kill someone, accidentally or on purpose.

Also, it's my opinion that his drinking problems aren't "new" like some posters have hypothesized in theorizing his innocence. IF he's an alcoholic, which I'd guess he is even though it really has no bearing on this case, you notice he only started having issues after (one of his) divorce. I highly doubt that's what led to his drinking. It's just when he was married, he always had a DD. And by 77, I highly doubt any kind of rehab is going to "cure" him.

His alcoholism or lack of it though does not mean a thing to me in regards to this case. The only thing I can take from his prior arrests is that he does, in fact, drink, and drinks enough to get drunk. Habitually or not, like I said, it doesn't take an alcoholic to get drunk enough to kill someone.

Alcohol releases anger and aggressive behaviors, and anger and frustration can lead to drinking (and for those trying to control their drinking - to relapse.)
While not everyone becomes aggressive after drinking alcohol, alcohol intoxication is associated with about half of all violent crimes in America and for people already prone to anger and violence, adding alcohol to the mix is like adding gasoline to a fire. I simply do not understand why this is seen as irrelevant in this case. NOBODY is speculating or accusing him of the murder. A few people are speculating that he knows more about the crime. Everybody is within the TOS of this site as they add their ideas to the mix.

In addition, looking at the facts only, this is an individual who repeatedly ignores the terms of his probation. IMOO this is because (a) he's sick and can't control himself (e.g. an alcoholic) or (b) he doesn't feel that the rules apply to him.