IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #43

[Eclipse]

Oh my. I've got to admit that I am appalled. Wow, leg irons for a breaking probation offence for a DUI? I really hope that LE are prepared to lay charges in the murder then, since that seems to be what they are treating him like in public right now. jmo.

Yes- If he is not involved in the murders and is exonerated for that- I must say that I will feel very sad for him. I know that driving while intoxicated is horrible and he was actually given a gift to not go to prison in the first place after so many charges, and now he acted so stupidly and unwisely. I don't know why I feel so sorry for him- maybe because he is so old and saw him with his dog. It reminds me of my late beloved great-grandfather and his little white dog. Habitual drinkers and drivers cannot be allowed to endanger the public though. I wish someone so old could be on house arrest with an ankle monitor.

 

[Eclipse]

If it is, wow, how absolutely humiliating for those that aren't armed robbers or rapists or murderers or some vile creature that society needs to be imminently protected from, even while handcuffed and being escorted by police. jmo

Truly bizarre!

 

[deugirtni]

Are there pictures to go with any of the media following this right now ? Where did you see that he's in leg irons?

Above in the twitter post I responded to and which was included in my post, also posted a bit above. - a little video clip.

 

[expatCanada]

Disagree. He'll be there.

My opinion, RL won't be present in court today. His attorney will represent him.

Gitana, are you reading? Could you please give your opinion?

 

[Patriot10]

Respectfully disagree-- the best time to get an arrestee to talk in my experience is immediately after they are arrested. They are often still in a sort of shell shock. The longer it takes police to arrest or charge someone, the more the perp may realize the police don't have enough on him or else they would have charged him or arrested him on more than a simple process violation as opposed to homicide.

IMO, it's probable that it COULD take up to that long, depending on backlog, etc, and that stating it as such is a psychological ploy for a suspect who may be in custody or know that LE is on his trail. The longer a perp sweats, the more likely a confession. DNA may well be back. LE may be waiting on a single piece of evidence, or may simply be waiting on the prosecutor to write up the totality to be present to the judge for formal charges, if they already have their suspect identified. One thing I have no doubt about is that in a case like this, they will be extraordinarily careful to have every single piece of evidence processed meticulously before they file formal charges or release the info to the public. IMO, the arguments that they don't already have the test results back are probably incorrect. I believe they are just following protocol to the absolute nth degree.

 

[ninij9]

First post, but if all of this stuff about RL is actually just about past offences/potential probation violations then I will be a little disappointed in LE's handling of this, because how can you expect people to come forward if you keep arresting people for things that aren't related to the crime? Obviously I am just sitting from the sidelines and don't know what's actually going on behind the scenes and how much evidence they have and all of that, so it's just my opinion, but I worry that somebody with information might see the show that LE put on when serving the search warrant at RL's property and then be hesitant to pass on information to the police (especially if they think it result in a similar situation for themselves).

LE might have very good reasons for doing everything that they are doing and I don't doubt their dedication to this case, so I don't want to judge anything prematurely or anything like that.

Great first post. Welcome to Websleuths.

I for one agree with you 100%
If someone had information in regards to the investigation, but also had an outstanding warrant, or legal issues, what do they do? And don't tell me police can't look the other way. I've seen cases where LE has reached out to a community with illegal residents and promised them they wouldn't be "bothered" in return for help in their investigation. It seems in this case the opposite is true.

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[eryn.a.huff]

The little stars means you're not to post it on WS. It must be from a blog which you read this. We have been all over this ages ago and most have agreed that it was just a personal thing chosen by each separate family when they were making their arrangements with the funeral home. Some may choose the date on which they disappeared and were presumed murdered, while some may choose the date on which they were found. Most seem to believe it is meaningless that 2 dates are listed (myself included). jmo

I missed that, thank you so much for clearing it up!! Makes much more sense now!!


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[Pamela_Brewer]

Above in the twitter post I responded to and which was included in my post, also posted a bit above. - a little video clip.

[video=twitter;848970418891481088]https://twitter.com/PLewbel/status/848970418891481088[/video]

 

[FrostedGlass]

For those who are of the age when it was ok to drink and drive, the transition to no drinking/driving has been hard for some.

When you are out in the country like he is, it's really tough to lose all driving privileges. This will be a hard lesson for him. I'll be surprised if he doesn't do at least some time in jail.

Maybe his neighbor will take care of his place (and animals) while he's gone.

 

[ninij9]

Oh my. I've got to admit that I am appalled. Wow, leg irons for a breaking probation offence for a DUI? I really hope that LE are prepared to lay charges in the murder then, since that seems to be what they are treating him like in public right now. jmo.

I've never seen a "Perp Walk" in a DUI case before, unless of cause the was an accident with fatalities.

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[skibaboo]

I've never seen a "Perp Walk" in a DUI case before, unless of cause the was an accident with fatalities.

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It's really odd. I don't know what to think.

 

[JLSChook]

Leg irons is standard protocol for any inmate going to and from the courthouse to jail. (Not in every jurisdiction, mind you)

 

[KyMom]

I've never seen a "Perp Walk" in a DUI case before, unless of cause the was an accident with fatalities.

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I haven't either but this case is also different because of the murders and the girls being found on his property, so I can understand it in this case, with the attention and Media.

jmo

 

[JLSChook]

Leg irons is standard protocol for any inmate going to and from the courthouse to jail. (Not in every jurisdiction, mind you)

By the way, they even do the same thing with minors that are going to court from "juvie"

 

[Bemused]

I haven't either but this case is also different because of the murders and the girls being found on his property, so I can understand it in this case, with the attention and Media.

jmo

Isn't he a felon? I don't find it odd since the safety of officers, both peace and court, are the primary focus, IMO. They're also obligated to keep the arrestee safe.

 

[Jax49]

Great first post. Welcome to Websleuths.

I for one agree with you 100%
If someone had information in regards to the investigation, but also had an outstanding warrant, or legal issues, what do they do? And don't tell me police can't look the other way. I've seen cases where LE has reached out to a community with illegal residents and promised them they wouldn't be "bothered" in return for help in their investigation. It seems in this case the opposite is true.

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I don't get it either. In so many cases we've followed minor charges were ignored to get the murders(s).

Back in the day I've even been in situations were multiple small offenses were ignored by FBI agents because they only wanted the really bad guy.

MOO

 

[Avejajed]

He's not a freaking repeat traffic offender or anything he's a literal felon. I'm sure they have standard procedure for felons. I still can't believe some people treat multiple DUI and repeat probation violations as minor offenses. He could easy have killed someone on the road even if he didn't kill anyone on his property. People like him are dangerous society should be protected from him, I don't care how much he looks like grandpa. I have twin baby boys and one on the way and I don't want him on the roads in Indiana, I can assure you that.

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[gitana1]

I don't know about anyone else, but when I'm not logged in to my WS account I can't see images people link to on WS's server. I can read the posts just fine but not be able to see the linked images.

Really? So you are saying that someone who is just visiting the site cannot see all the photos we post?

Wow. Sad to realize a fellow websleuther stole your stuff. I don't like plagiarism.

I decided the other day after losing multiple posts more than a sentence or two to compose it in a text editor or even email client and just c&p here.

You can also refresh and hit reply again. At the bottom of the reply box is a button that will appear saying "auto refresh saved content" or something like that. Click it and your lost text will reappear up to the time Websleuths last auto saved it.

 

[deugirtni]

Great first post. Welcome to Websleuths.

I for one agree with you 100%
If someone had information in regards to the investigation, but also had an outstanding warrant, or legal issues, what do they do? And don't tell me police can't look the other way. I've seen cases where LE has reached out to a community with illegal residents and promised them they wouldn't be "bothered" in return for help in their investigation. It seems in this case the opposite is true.

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Yes, it seems very peculiar, someone who might be a criminal themselves, or might have secondary involvement will be discouraged from coming forward. I'm finding that a very strange way of handling things in this high profile, major double homicide case.

 

[Matlacha]

I've never seen a "Perp Walk" in a DUI case before, unless of cause the was an accident with fatalities.

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But from the red tape on his impounded vehicle, we already know this is not being handled as a routine DUI. (I'm sympathetic on the DUIs, by the way, though I've never had one, as long as the levels were low; I suspect many people can drive quite safety at .08, while plenty of people don't drive safely at 0.00.)

One reason for dropping the hammer on minor offenses would be to elicit cooperation. Let's hope it isn't to discourage cooperation.