IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #47

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puppyraiser said:
Who gave the media a heads up about the search on RL's property? Why aren't we hearing about others who had their property and homes searched (after the initial searches following the discovery of the girls)? Why were the people on Bicycle Rd cleared so quickly and LE is being vague about RL? Are there others who have been charged with unrelated criminal offenses during the scope of this investigation into who murdered Abigail and Liberty and if there are, then why haven't we heard about them?

Why is there such a focus by the media and LE on RL?
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Maybe police felt their investigation did clear others but their investigation did not yet fully clear RL--which is why the media would focus on him over others.


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WebSight said:
One thing I forgot to mention what I was discussing RL's poor choice of words and how it relates to my experience with my father:

RL's apparent lack of caring. Now I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but the statements he has made and even the statement he made in court today are odd, but not unusual for what could be a man suffering some cognitive issues, possibly brought on by the extreme stress, as I have mentioned before, along with other issues that we are not made aware of, i.e., medical issues, operations, and subsequent medications and their affects, etc. I can only speak from experience with my own family and my experience working Assistant to the Director for the Center for Aging in a hospital.

As my father's medical issues became more serious and my mother really began to suffer the ravages of losing her mind, my father went through pretty drastic personality changes as well as the difficulty in finding appropriate words when speaking (again, a word like disaster rather than tragedy and also repeating someone else's words so he didn't have to find the right one himself, like "was the area pristine?" "Yes, pristine.").

One of the hardest personality changes to handle was his apparent disregard for others. Everything began to be measured by how it affected him. He became the center of everything that happened so he judged it by its affect on his world, would did it mean for him. I could totally see my own father responding to the murders and feeling bad and all that but still actually say "what am I to do now, my home has been changed for me forever, my life will never be the same." These types of attitudes and statements were always shocking, even though we understood them, once explained by caregivers, but strangers were mortified at the things he would say, even regarding my mother - it was still about him.

These episodes were temporary, for the most part, but began to become more a part of him than not as time went on, because the stress never subsided. He was dying of cancer and my mother was never going to recover from Alzheimer's Disease, therefore there was no chance of the stress lessening.

I see only RL's stress is compounding in the months ahead so we may see more of this type of behavior.

IMO, then, based only on my opinion, I have not and am not taking too much of what RL's actual words to seriously as they sound familiar to me. Just putting it out there, moo, and all that.

BTW: My father and Ron Logan served together on the USS Monrovia stationed in the Mediterranean almost 60 years ago.
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No offence but I don’t think this helps his case as it give credence to him possibly behaving with no regard to others as well.

All imo
 
Jade said:
He could be lying again regarding the girls….

Maybe the locals needed help and that is the way it’s done at that level.

IMO
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I'm saying that killing the girls and leaving them on his property would not, in my view, be at all likely. Because if you have to lie about emptying trash...you really have to come up with a good one if you come home from the trash run and abduct and murder two children on your own land.
 
Bird of Paradise said:
Is this what you're referring to from page one?

"* R.L HAS NOT BEEN NAMED A PERSON OF INTEREST. Please do not accuse him of the crime. "
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No I don't think that's what they were referring to as no one has accused him of the crime here. I think the part being referenced is the permission to sleuth him due to the probable cause search warrant, since people here are sleuthing him.


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ninij9 said:
Sometimes I get to thinking, if LE didn't have the photo or audio would they have a suspect by now? I mean, could the photo and audio be constricting their investigation? In which direction would their skills be leading them? At first I thought that this picture and audio was pure gold. Now, not so much.

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Great question! I have wondered that too.


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IMO RL is still an important aspect of the discussion because it is, in fact, a high profile part of the case. I do not believe he is BG but I personally believe he got connected to it somehow beyond it just being his property. I scroll past most posts concerning him, however I still have it in my mind that there is a key there somewhere.

I firmly believe LE invited MSM out to the search that day to do interviews. That did not happen on any other search warrant served AFAIK. There is a reason that every branch of LE working the case was involved in that search. The SW was NOT Connected to the OUI PV charges. It was due to Probable cause Directly connected to the murders. LE has said so. His PV sentence is not connected but RL is involved in the investigation just not a suspect.

There is a reason the 'top cops' escort him in and out of court. High profile.

Sgt Slocum on the SW at RL's property " It is connected to the double homicide"
https://www.facebook.com/Fox59News/videos/vb.149126144574/10155233713184575/?type=2&theater

SO Lezenby : "The Carroll County sheriff said he is "still involved" with the investigation, but is not considered a suspect."
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...ner-sentenced-in-charges-unrelated-to-murders

So separate from his PV he is still a part of the double homicide investigation and the PC included his house for some specific reason.

I am not on the RL choo-choo at this time but I am still of the mind that he has or had info that, if they had not completely resolved his violations, they could never use him as a possible witness.

Just another viewpoint and mostly JMO
 
Are there transcripts of the police scanner traffic anywhere on these threads? If so, can someone direct me to which thread?
 
WebSight said:
One thing I forgot to mention what I was discussing RL's poor choice of words and how it relates to my experience with my father:

RL's apparent lack of caring. Now I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but the statements he has made and even the statement he made in court today are odd, but not unusual for what could be a man suffering some cognitive issues, possibly brought on by the extreme stress, as I have mentioned before, along with other issues that we are not made aware of, i.e., medical issues, operations, and subsequent medications and their affects, etc. I can only speak from experience with my own family and my experience working Assistant to the Director for the Center for Aging in a hospital.

As my father's medical issues became more serious and my mother really began to suffer the ravages of losing her mind, my father went through pretty drastic personality changes as well as the difficulty in finding appropriate words when speaking (again, a word like disaster rather than tragedy and also repeating someone else's words so he didn't have to find the right one himself, like "was the area pristine?" "Yes, pristine.").

One of the hardest personality changes to handle was his apparent disregard for others. Everything began to be measured by how it affected him. He became the center of everything that happened so he judged it by its affect on his world, would did it mean for him. I could totally see my own father responding to the murders and feeling bad and all that but still actually say "what am I to do now, my home has been changed for me forever, my life will never be the same." These types of attitudes and statements were always shocking, even though we understood them, once explained by caregivers, but strangers were mortified at the things he would say, even regarding my mother - it was still about him.

These episodes were temporary, for the most part, but began to become more a part of him than not as time went on, because the stress never subsided. He was dying of cancer and my mother was never going to recover from Alzheimer's Disease, therefore there was no chance of the stress lessening.

I see only RL's stress is compounding in the months ahead so we may see more of this type of behavior.

IMO, then, based only on my opinion, I have not and am not taking too much of what RL's actual words to seriously as they sound familiar to me. Just putting it out there, moo, and all that.

BTW: My father and Ron Logan served together on the USS Monrovia stationed in the Mediterranean almost 60 years ago.
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I'll just agree with everything you said, based on my experience with family members that was oh so similar to yours (especially what I bolded; I didn't realize at the time that the inability to find words was, in the case of my relative, a very early sign of what turned out to be dementia).
 
bluesneakers said:
Because it's allowed and there's nothing else to talk about.
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There is a lot to talk about, JMO. A lot of theories that could have happened with the girls. When we go to bed and wake up the next morning , we can carry on with life but RL can not. He made major mistakes in his life, but murder is not one of them. Is it really fair to keep his name going on in the threads pointing a finger at him? He is guilty of not being sober and lying about it to cover his illegal actions.In the beginning his name was allowed but then it got carried away with RL is the guy, RLis the one that killed the girls...meanwhile the real killer is running loose and 30 threads later we are still debating an alcoholic and fish
 
gliving said:
A friend tries to explain RL's statement. Not sure it helps.

1:28 PM, Apr 10, 2017
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...ner-sentenced-in-charges-unrelated-to-murders

"In the courtroom, he said to the judge, "Maybe in the future no one will be murdered in my backyard.”

A friend of Logan's offered this explanation about his statement, "I think he was very stressed over that and upset and he probably did need a beer, I know I would, I would need more than one, so I think he did."

Logan is not facing any charges in connection with the girls’ disappearance or murders. The Carroll County sheriff said he is "still involved" with the investigation, but is not considered a suspect."
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With friends like that who needs enemies.
 
ninij9 said:
Sometimes I get to thinking, if LE didn't have the photo or audio would they have a suspect by now? I mean, could the photo and audio be constricting their investigation? In which direction would their skills be leading them? At first I thought that this picture and audio was pure gold. Now, not so much.

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I've often heard the evidence doesn't lie. The evidence will tell the story to the LEOs and when they have enough and the investigation complete maybe they'll share it because I'd kind of like to know who after all the arguing. IMO
 
Jax49 said:
[h=1]A Two-Year Sentence for Delphi Property Owner Ronald Logan[/h]


The sentence had nothing to do with the murders, but everything to do with a beer and driving when he wasn't supposed to.



http://www.wibc.com/news/local-news/two-year-sentence-delphi-property-owner-ronald-logan
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Right. If he is charged due to possible involvement in the murders, that would be separate from and in addition to his charges for violating probation. Being guilty or innocent of violating his probation doesn't prove or disprove anything about the murder investigation.


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Oregonmama said:
There is a lot to talk about, JMO. A lot of theories that could have happened with the girls. When we go to bed and wake up the next morning , we can carry on with life but RL can not. He made major mistakes in his life, but murder is not one of them. Is it really fair to keep his name going on in the threads pointing a finger at him? He is guilty of not being sober and lying about it to cover his illegal actions.In the beginning his name was allowed but then it got carried away with RL is the guy, RLis the one that killed the girls...meanwhile the real killer is running loose and 30 threads later we are still debating an alcoholic and fish
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No one is compelling anyone else to talk about RL or anything else permitted in this thread. I love the ignore feature because it really does eliminate 90% of the dreck for me. YMMV
 
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