IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #57

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his court appearance had nothing to do with the double homicide. i believe the inside of his home was searched just once...on March 17th.

I know. You asked why the sheriff would attend his court appearance for a minor crime and I responded why, in my opinion as a lawyer, LE might find him and anything related to him worthy of their time and attention.
 
LE's actions since the search warrant have probably been influenced by all the online speculation about RL. IMO, LE knows people have overreacted to the search warrant, so they've gone to great lengths (1) to insist that RL is not a suspect -- expressing it not in some standard way to a reporter, but in a way that seems designed to nip all the speculation in the bud; (2) to deemphasize the search by calling it standard procedure, informing the public that search warrants often lead to no arrest, and reminding everyone that they've executed scores of search warrants on others; and (3) to give RL extra attention and protection due to the savagery with which he has been accused online. In other words, LE has treated him less like a genuine suspect in the murders and more like someone who has been targeted by people who are salivating for someone to pin these murders on. At least, that's how I see it.

our verified attorney just posted this about LE saying someone is not a suspect:

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[FONT=&amp]But certainly LE has NOT acted like RL is innocent since then. He's been targeted pretty significantly as a focus of the investigation. That's clear. The fact that the sheriff investigating these murders saw fit to accompany RL during his court appearance is extremely significant to me. Also, the statement that he's "still involved" in the investigation is noteworthy, IMO, even though it's followed by what's now protocol whether a person is actually a suspect or not- which is the disclaimer that he's not a suspect.
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thanks. i will probably quote this post in the future. they are so many that just don't realize that saying someone is not a suspect is just standard protocol by LE days....like you said "whether a person is actually a suspect or not." It is nice to see an attorney back up what i have said for weeks.

We've seen that over and over in these cases. And are good reasons for that. Because there are legal ramifications to being designated a "suspect".


https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/suspect/


So they stopped calling people suspects and began calling them "persons of interest". http://www.apmreports.org/story/2016/09/27/what-it-means-to-be-a-person-of-interest


Now they're even dropping that term.


I learned my lesson on the Noah Thomas case. LE was adamant that no foul play was suspected and this was a child who wandered off.
http://www.wsls.com/news/search-for-missing-pulaski-co-5-year-old-comes-to-an-end

This is what the sheriff stated on the day the body was found:
"Davis said they were going by family statements and that he had spent many hours with Noah's parents and asked the public to not judge them.
"They're living in a nightmare," he said. "Their grief is obvious.""
Seven days later they were arrested.
http://www.virginiafirst.com/news/l...thomas-found-dead-on-familys-property/4602786
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wxii.r...ents-charged-with-child-abuse-neglect/2058911
 
Has anything been released to rule out that LE might think someone related to or acquainted with RL (friend, family friend, former tenant/employee/worker) might be connected to the crime? Half this thread seems to be focused on arguing whether RL is the person or not and assigning cryptic meaning to routine LE actions, nothing discussing connections to him or his property.
 
So I was watching an episode of Forensic Files again. In the episode I watched the police used what was called Illuma Lite machine, it looked cumbersome to use but it did help solve the case. Now I find out that they have a Illumacam-2 camera and they have it in Indiana. :)
[video=youtube;qbFOwH94DxQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbFOwH94DxQ[/video]
 
Yes it does .....
Now what can that be?
They are out in the woods.
What could he have left behind?

I wish I could imagine there not being a ton of meaningless *possible* evidence out there that they would need to go through. In my mind I hope that it's not some of the hundreds of cigarette butts people constantly toss around outside, gum, soda and beer cans, and probably thousands of little things that have come from thousands of people. I hope that there is something good in the mess of things that I'm sure they'd have to collect just incase..
 
I wouldn't read too much into LE presence executing a search warrant. I am an attorney and in a financial fraud case we once had 50 agents raid an office, seizing documents and carrying out huge boxes of evidence, mugging for the media and making statements about fair play. Charges were never filed and they quietly dropped the case. LE acts based on the information they have in front of them at the time - what may seem like a crucial lead can end up being a complete dud. Even as a defense lawyer I rarely fault LE for it - they are usually doing their jobs in good faith.
And I guess they don't call the media when they return it. Or perhaps the property owner has to collect it themselves even.
 
our verified attorney just posted this about LE saying someone is not a suspect:

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[FONT=&quot]But certainly LE has NOT acted like RL is innocent since then. He's been targeted pretty significantly as a focus of the investigation. That's clear. The fact that the sheriff investigating these murders saw fit to accompany RL during his court appearance is extremely significant to me. Also, the statement that he's "still involved" in the investigation is noteworthy, IMO, even though it's followed by what's now protocol whether a person is actually a suspect or not- which is the disclaimer that he's not a suspect.[/FONT]
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I and others have already responded to that post. The argument gitana makes, with all due respect, is very weak, IMO.
 
And I guess they don't call the media when they return it. Or perhaps the property owner has to collect it themselves even.

Several federal agencies have a policy of not even announcing when they drop an investigation because of lack of evidence. They will just stop contacting you for information - I have had clients in limbo for years. IMO it's very unfair, particularly when they are happy to leak to the national media when it's convenient for them. There's little recourse too if they can say they were working in good faith to investigate possible violations.
 
the inside of his house and his vehicle were not part of the crime scene so LE had no legal right to search either. the search was a result of having probable cause that they would find something connected to the double homicide. they can't search just because they feel like it. search warrants don't work that way. our constitution protects people from unlawful searches.

You are correct.

However, RL gave LE enough probable cause to obtain a search warrant because he lied about driving (and his possible whereabouts to cover up the fact he was gallivanting around town on a suspended license while on probation) on 2/13 and that in of itself is enough Probable Cause to search his truck and premises (he may have even been drinking at or during that time, we don't know but maybe LE does) ...and RL was also caught drinking publically on a later date; which is another probation violation.

Since he lied to LE and violated his probation on at least two occasions we know of, LE had more than enough probable cause.

IMO, obviously RL should not have been driving or drinking while on probation. The girls were found on his property. He lied about his comings and goings (because he violated his probation) and RL is now paying the price for that.

It is in my humble opinion that if RL hadn't initially lied and brought suspicion onto himself, things would have gone a little differently.

I am also of the opinion that he obviously needs mental health support and maybe he is a grumpy old man, but, I don't think he had any involvement in the deaths of A+L.
 
Assuming BG knew school was going to be out that day...how would he know this:

1. Employee or contractor at school/ school district
2. Social media

Did the girls ever post on sm that school would be out? Soory as more time passes, my recollection of some details gets fuzzier...

3. School's website
4. Relative of student
5. Former student?
6. Lives near school, or drive by and saw it was closed for the day due to no cars (was there a sign too?)
Where all was this information posted, online and otherwise?

Does BG have a direct visual? (Binoculars, etc.)
 
you know, maybe they are stashing him....as in, keeping him away from the killer(s)....maybe RL saw a certain car or truck and is a material witness to that and the cops don't want him offed......they took him away pretty fast....
I wondered that too. RL may not even have realised he knows something. He did mention something like " they could just have got in a car " (paraphrasing here). He is in high security now I understand which does seem OTT when an ankle bracelet would have sufficed. He also didn't post bail and he had tight security at his court appearances so you may be right imo.
 
"Forensic testing" is a larger group, DNA testing is just a subset.

Ah. Ok. Got it. So it could be any kind of testing?

I wondered about this too -- whether it was a form of protective custody.

I'm firmly positioned in my spot on the fence. There is just not enough info about anything to form solid theories. 

The above is just my opinion.

I'm still on the fence as well.


BBM

How is it extremely significant, IYO? Do you think that amount of security casts doubt on RL's innocence?

Here is Leazenby's answer regarding the security at the court hearing:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwNVlCNEZKelBWUEU/view

I'm not impressed by his statement. What special skill does the sheriff have that his deputies don't?



IMO it was a statement and a message.


I don't think it casts the merest doubt on his innocence. Instead, I think it speaks to LE's feelings about him and his possible role as a suspect. (Which if he was a suspect still doesn't mean he's guilty. It's a long way from suspect to convict).

You don't think the sheriff wanted to observe the proceedings?

Yes.


JMO.. Given that this crime is the murder of 2 young girls in a small town and considering some of the things I saw being said online at the time, esp by anonymous whacko's, (imo) I believe the escorts to court were due to concerns for the safety of RL and others.

moo.



Escorts make sense. The actual sheriff who has been all over the media in the girls' case, no. It's significant IMO.
 
We've seen that over and over in these cases. And are good reasons for that. Because there are legal ramifications to being designated a "suspect".


https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/suspect/


So they stopped calling people suspects and began calling them "persons of interest". http://www.apmreports.org/story/2016/09/27/what-it-means-to-be-a-person-of-interest


Now they're even dropping that term.


I learned my lesson on the Noah Thomas case. LE was adamant that no foul play was suspected and this was a child who wandered off.
http://www.wsls.com/news/search-for-missing-pulaski-co-5-year-old-comes-to-an-end

This is what the sheriff stated on the day the body was found:
"Davis said they were going by family statements and that he had spent many hours with Noah's parents and asked the public to not judge them.
"They're living in a nightmare," he said. "Their grief is obvious.""
Seven days later they were arrested.
http://www.virginiafirst.com/news/l...thomas-found-dead-on-familys-property/4602786
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wxii.r...ents-charged-with-child-abuse-neglect/2058911
thanks for the links!
 
Okay, Alethea (since you are back on now) or Gitana1. I am still trying to determine how it is that the Mears property was being searched the same day that RL's property was being searched via the SW. That was March 17th, IIRC. Like I said I am assuming that they were searching for anything regarding the murders, possibly having nothing to do with the Mears family themselves.

If they would have had to get a SW for the Mears property, then it bothers me that neither MSM nor LE stated that there were two searches via SWs that day, but led us to believe that it was RL only.

If LE was not required to have a search warrant to go and search the Mears property but could search on a verbal okay from the Mears family then, of course the MSM would not need report that. It would still puzzle me why they wouldn't simply state that LE was also searching the Mears Farm as well, that is still newsworthy, is it not?
 
Alethea, I wonder if you would mind answering a question for me? In re-watching a news video from the day that RL's property was searched there were LEOs with dogs on the Mears property and in their barn. Wouldn't that have required a SW also? Could LE simply go in on a verbal okay from the Mears family? Thx.
Oooh Webby. Good question. I wanted to ask about that last night b4 we closed so early.
 
So am I correct in assuming that BG came from behind them, walked past them and then doubled back? Given that LE stated LG began filming because she was concerned she was being followed and the angle of the sunlight in the pic of BG shows he was coming from the barrier end of the bridge, it makes sense that he followed them in.
Also this quote from LE: "One of two things happened. It was chance encounter — that’s possible. Don’t think it’s likely, but it’s possible,” Bursten said. “Or that person knew that they were going to be there. That’s possible as well.” Does that sound to anyone else that LE believe this person somehow knew the girls were going to be there? http://wane.com/2017/02/21/police-to-provide-update-wednesday-on-double-homicide-investigation/
So LE says it is unlikely that it was a chance encounter.That leaves what? Family,friends or someone stalking SM? Can't speak on families,friends I imagine are minors so prolly can't speak on them,do we know if anything was posted about where they were going to be that day on SM?
 
I think you summed it up perfectly. The characteristics you mention point to a killer whose brain is wired differently to other human beings. How could you go home and eat a meal after doing something like that ? I suspect a lot of towns would have a potential BG somewhere in their midst. Maybe in the distant future a brain scan will help criminologists identify these people. Until then .....

I've read several articles over the years that one indication of evil personified is the person who is extremely cruel to animals, even as a child. I tend to agree (JMO).
 
With all due respect, this is the sheriff of a tiny Indiana town working on the biggest case the town has ever seen, not the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. I think there are many reasons why the sheriff would want to attend the proceeding, and I think if he didn't attend, we'd be spending threads discussing why he didn't attend. Even if he was convinced RL had nothing to do with the murder, I think he would attend to see who attended, try to read the room, signal to the community he takes this seriously.

JMO but I have rarely seen LE purposefully engage in cryptic signaling. That's the stuff of movies and crime tv shows IMO.

RL's probation violation isn't the biggest case the town has ever seen. Unless it is definitively connected to the murders.

And who says his personal escorting was a "cryptic" signal. I don't think it was cryptic at all. Not to them. To us, yes. But it wasn't a cryptic statement to those involved in the case.

And in 30 years of tracking missing person and murder cases this is the kind of posturing I've seen in many cases. These things become personal to LE. Especially in small towns.
 
this was in the news yesterday buried in a story about taking back the trail.

Investigators are awaiting evidence test results to come back from the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Viriginia.

http://fox59.com/2017/05/07/delphi-residents-reclaim-trail-where-girls-were-murdered/


TY again BT for posting this
( posted twice previously for those still asking for the link- me being one of them yesterday)
 
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