IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #57

[Suglo]

Ahhhh thank you! I feel like I need an acronym cheat sheet. I would call it the WS BBL


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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?276298-Websleuths-Lingo

 

[asyousay]

Two things bother me about RL:

1. He seemed so very willing to give interviews to MSM. I don't know if they contacted him (I'm assuming that they did), and that may not matter. I DO know if someone had been found murdered on my property, I'd be too shocked and stunned to talk to reporters. Couldn't giving interviews possibly jeopardize the investigation? IDK - just thinking about all this.

2. RL described the crime scene as "pristine". How did he know that? The crime scene may have looked pristine, but once LE had it taped off, how could anyone know this for certain, other than those gathering evidence? Granted, there seemed to be a lot of leaves and twigs on the ground, but still . . .

The above comments are MVHO only.

Thoughts?

ETA: I'm watching X-Files episodes; maybe my brain is overloaded with questionable possibilities :thinking:

Maybe he is a lonely old man and liked the attention it brought?!

And he would of went to where the crime scene was and taken a look and it looked pristine to his eyes. Again it was in his property so I can see why he would of been intrigued and checked it out after LE had finished with the scene.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I am quite interested in the days/weeks leading up to the murders.... did the girls plan this hike for weeks or just spur of the moment like the night before?

Was it common knowledge they were going on this hike? Did they speak to other family members, friends, teachers etc. Did they post things on SM

Was this a thing they did regularly at weekends or other times they where not at school? Guess I just wondering if this was a regular place for the girls to hang out.... I know it was for older teenagers.

Also it was the day before Valentine's Day, could they have been planning to meet up with a boy or someone they thought was their own age they met online
I think their phones and SM accounts could hold many clues

What IF the girls stalked someone who felt "to be trapped" in the woods/on the bridge and became scared re his reputation? Would it be possible? - On the other hand, he was already armed when he appeared.

 

[Jade]

Firstly he is "involved" because the crime occurred on his property.This question should be asked in reverse.You need to give a really really good reason why he would be responsible.Show me the proof that he did anything other than violate his DUI probation.RL doesn't need to prove his innocence.He's lived on that property for 53 years without any history of attacking girls.Idle speculation based on a SW doesn't lead anywhere.There are 500 POI in this case

BBM

I thought it was 500 tips not POI?

Do you have a msm source for your contention that there are 500 POI?

WS speculates on factual information.

 

[iscaremyself]

Maybe he is a lonely old man and liked the attention it brought?!

And he would of went to where the crime scene was and taken a look and it looked pristine to his eyes. Again it was in his property so I can see why he would of been intrigued and checked it out after LE had finished with the scene.

also his definition of "pristine"..I doubt he uses the word much on the farm so I'm thinking he meant "the same" or "unchanged"

 

[Jax49]

BBM

I thought it was 500 tips not POI?

Do you have a msm source for your contention that there are 500 POI?

WS speculates on factual information.

I'm not efhds but here is a MSM source. Not sure I believe the report is accurate but here it is. moo

On the Trail: A community coping nearly 3 months after Delphi homicides

Police have more than 500 persons of interest

http://wane.com/2017/05/04/on-the-trail-a-community-coping-nearly-3-months-after-delphi-homicides/

A voice recording of the suspect taken off of Libby German’s phone was also released shortly after their deaths. Since then police have gotten thousands of tips and Riley said there are more than 500 persons of interest. But there are still no answers.

bbm

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm not efhds but here is a MSM source. Not sure I believe the report is accurate but here it is. moo

On the Trail: A community coping nearly 3 months after Delphi homicides

Police have more than 500 persons of interest

http://wane.com/2017/05/04/on-the-trail-a-community-coping-nearly-3-months-after-delphi-homicides/



bbm

The very same week LE stated they had 500 tips left to review and they were working through 20-25 per day. In your link nobody is quoted saying there are 500 poi and speculation only, but it's possible the reporter believes each unreviewed tip offers information about a person of interest. Of course that's not LE's definition of a poi. But if it truly is 500, fewer than 20 investigators remaining on the case is woefully inadequate.

 

[MistyWaters]

Based on the discussions last night about searches of barns, is it possible the girls could have been taken elsewhere (e.g. a barn) and then taken back to the final location where they were found? Also, why were two searches done (March 10th and 17th) ?

Not sure what search you're referring to on March 10th, but that was the day RL was arrested. March 17th was the date of the publicized search on his property. LE indicates it was not the first search, which likely occurred immediately after the bodies were found. Going by memory only.......

As far as bodies being moved, there's topography maps somewhere on these treads. For the bodies to have been easily carried to that particular location would've been a very difficult task imo.

 

[asyousay]

In a active murder investigation is 20 officers working the case quite low ?

 

[Spiritecho]

In a active murder investigation is 20 officers working the case quite low ?

MOO it seems quite high to me and I'm glad there are still that many working the tips!

 

[FrostedGlass]

http://www.newsbug.info/monticello_...cle_9f53101a-199f-11e7-b5f4-a3a21ffea83d.html

[FONT=&amp]An entrance to the Monon High Bridge Trail area in Carroll County has been barred to keep the public out, and people will now have to walk twice as far to explore the area.

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[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Mears’ grandson and his family will be moving into the home his grandfather lived in for more than 50 years, and he expressed concerns about safety and people parking there at all hours, Corson and McCain said.[/FONT]

Thanks for posting that. I'm including this little blurb that was farther down the page in your link:

"His concern was there was activity there day and night, even when you wouldn’t think there should be,” McCain said.

So what kind of night-time activity would make people so concerned about their safety?

 

[efhds]

The very same week LE stated they had 500 tips left to review and they were working through 20-25 per day. In your link nobody is quoted saying there are 500 poi and speculation only, but it's possible the reporter believes each unreviewed tip offers information about a person of interest. Of course that's not LE's definition of a poi. But if it truly is 500, fewer than 20 investigators remaining on the case is woefully inadequate.

BBM
http://wane.com/2017/05/04/on-the-trail-a-community-coping-nearly-3-months-after-delphi-homicides/

According to the article, kindly linked by Jax49, Indiana State Police Sgt. Kim Riley refers to both the amount of tips and the number of POI. Whether you believe it is up to you.

"Since then police have gotten thousands of tips and Riley said there are more than 500 persons of interest. But there are still no answers."

 

[Megster024]

Could someone give me a really, really good reason why RL could not possibly be involved in the murders?

He is not the man in the picture. LE is asking for help identifying BG. Imo, I don't think they are concerned with RL any longer.

Jmo


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[ocgrad]

Not sure what search you're referring to on March 10th, but that was the day RL was arrested. March 17th was the date of the publicized search on his property. LE indicates it was not the first search, which likely occurred immediately after the bodies were found. Going by memory only.......

As far as bodies being moved, there's topography maps somewhere on these treads. For the bodies to have been easily carried to that particular location would've been a very difficult task imo.

The search on the 10th was across the street from RL and seemed focused on his pickup and the barn. Many speculated it was around the grain bin but I believe it looked that way because his truck was parked next to it. Then they were also around the barn and they went back to it on the 17th.

 

[Alethea]

So what kind of night-time activity would make people so concerned about their safety?

Is it a place for teens to hang out? It looked very clean, but any evidence of drinking/drugs?

 

[MistyWaters]

Is it a place for teens to hang out? It looked very clean, but any evidence of drinking/drugs?

Are you referring to the public trail? Nothing released by the media indicates it was known to be an unsavoury area.

 

[Ember123]

Hi All- Glad so many of you, like me, are still coming here daily to share ideas, keep the morale up til Justice Prevails. I do believe it will. In fact I believe LE does have a main POI and are working on tightening up the case to assure a conviction when the hammer comes down. More tips might help in that regard and I think some of their expressed low optimism is bluffing. I miss some WS folks whom I've not seen posting lately and look forward to hearing from you again when you are able as I know you all want to see this solved as much as I do.
Does anyone besides me recall a family member saying quite a while back that one or both of the girls had been in the vicinity of the bridge not long before this walk they took Feb 13? It made me wonder, had they met up with anyone there in the recent weeks prior to Feb 13? Did either of them do any work for anyone there such as animal or pet care, selling or fund raising for school, babysitting, chores inside or outside to earn money? I feel there is a SA factor here, either ON Feb 13 or perhaps multiple times prior, and the perp felt he had to silence them.
I wonder, too if RL might be serving time in part for his own protection until an arrest is made then perhaps he will get out on time served? Feel it is more likely he would be involved tangentially (is that a word?), perhaps even unwittingly he msy have witnessed something or provided shelter or materials to someone w/o realizing their darkside. If he is more deeply involved I will be surprised but I haven't ruled that out either. I just know that SA of girls this age and younger is sadly not uncommon so that seems the most likely draw here, whether a perp seeking twisted thrills or one seeking to cover up past transgressions he had perhaps acted upon when the girl (s) were slightly younger and more easily manipulated, but now he saw they might speak up so he savagely silenced them. Left them at or returned them to site so as to make it all seem less personal, more random?

 

[Yellow Rose]

Gosh I so wish we had a new piece to work on.

 

[MistyWaters]

Families of slain Indiana teens have faith killer will be caught
By EMILY SHAPIRO
May 8, 2017, 11:57 AM ET
http://abcnews.go.com/US/families-slain-indiana-teens-faith-killer-caught/story?id=47205977

 

[Rossymom]

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5945545/

I wondered if this death could be related to this investigation? It made me wonder if the burn pile consisted of any clothing or evidence(?). My mind is on these girls constantly, like all of us. We want this solved.