IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #57

[SomeoneElse333]

I am quite interested in the days/weeks leading up to the murders.... did the girls plan this hike for weeks or just spur of the moment like the night before?

Was it common knowledge they were going on this hike? Did they speak to other family members, friends, teachers etc. Did they post things on SM

Was this a thing they did regularly at weekends or other times they where not at school? Guess I just wondering if this was a regular place for the girls to hang out.... I know it was for older teenagers.

Also it was the day before Valentine's Day, could they have been planning to meet up with a boy or someone they thought was their own age they met online
I think their phones and SM accounts could hold many clues

I too am interested in knowing more about these things.

I posted a couple of separate lists of questions earlier in the threads. In hindsight though, I don't know how we would find this information since we can only discuss items that are in the media or, I think, available publicly.

For example, if the school posted something noteworthy or a schedule of class outages, we could discuss the implications of it on this case. So it could help to comb back through the school's website to see if it contained calendars that mention those trails, for example, as meeting or training spots for the students.

Also, I read someone's post about something interesting, but I haven't see a follow-up to it. They suggested checking ISPs of anyone who had visited Delphi websites or YouTube channels prior to the murders. I think someone specifically wondered about the drone video of the bridge and surroundings. I'm curious about that information yet I don't know if it's available generally. [emoji272]

The above is just my opinion.

 

[Peace777]

To me, it's hard to imagine that the perpetrator would knowing plan to abduct TWO girls if he planned it up front. Just doesn't pass the common sense rule.

I think he saw the two girls isolated and "trapped" at the dead end of the trail with no one else in sight...and then seized the moment.

What if there was more than 1 perp? And "they" did plan on kidnapping/SA girls (Maybe LG & AW were just in wrong place at the wrong time?) JMO I think it could have been planned as BG looks to be carrying something on his person like a gun?

 

[gitana1]

Has anything been released to rule out that LE might think someone related to or acquainted with RL (friend, family friend, former tenant/employee/worker) might be connected to the crime? Half this thread seems to be focused on arguing whether RL is the person or not and assigning cryptic meaning to routine LE actions, nothing discussing connections to him or his property.

I have to dispute that a personal escort of a probation/parole? violator by the head of the Sheriff's department is "routine".

I don't know. Unlike my law partner I'm not a criminal defense attorney. So my mind doesn't naturally flow to the defense of possible suspects.

I think Leazenby's personal appearance was because he's invested in what's going on with RL and not in a "I'm the only one who can protect this innocent man from rumors I might have heard about threats to harm him because my deputies lack the skill to do so" kind of way.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

There was a third friend who was going with them but didn't so at least one other person knew in addition to family member who dropped them off. Then the SC photo went up. Other photos too perhaps. Is it possible they were cyber stalked ?

I'd say that is a possibility if they did indeed make posts before they went.But if that was the case then wouldn't the murderer(s) have to have been real close by in order to go there?If they didn't post,wouldn't that eliminate the possibility of a cyber-stalker knowing they were going to be there at that time?Then that would bring us back down to friend's and family being the only ones that knew where they were going to be.

 

[SonnieM]

I too am interested in knowing more about these things.

I posted a couple of separate lists of questions earlier in the threads. In hindsight though, I don't know how we would find this information since we can only discuss items that are in the media or, I think, available publicly.

For example, if the school posted something noteworthy or a schedule of class outages, we could discuss the implications of it on this case. So it could help to comb back through the school's website to see if it contained calendars that mention those trails, for example, as meeting or training spots for the students.

Also, I read someone's post about something interesting, but I haven't see a follow-up to it. They suggested checking ISPs of anyone who had visited Delphi websites or YouTube channels prior to the murders. I think someone specifically wondered about the drone video of the bridge and surroundings. I'm curious about that information yet I don't know if it's available generally. [emoji272]

The above is just my opinion.

I just hope the LE have gone back a few weeks prior to the murders as I think more clues could be found. Sometimes you have to go right back to the start to find answers

You make some very good points but as u say only minimal information is given out in the media.
Checking the ISPs would be a great idea IMO

 

[mtnlites]

There was a third friend who was going with them but didn't so at least one other person knew in addition to family member who dropped them off. Then the SC photo went up. Other photos too perhaps. Is it possible they were cyber stalked ?

Possible. We have been discussing that since the beginning. If they were cyberstalked, there is probably a virtual trail. I know from personal experience that cyber stalkers are rarely content to stay quiet and remain unobserved.

 

[*Verdigris]

I hope the 3rd friend who pulled out doesn't carry any guilt of what happened. Can you imagine the what if's and these are just teenage girls we are dealing with. So many people life's affected by a vile act.

I've always thought the same thing, since I first heard that.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

Looking at Lyric and Elizabeth's case, I worry that won't happen!

What if it is the same killer? Maybe killer left a signature at both scenes.

 

[Dawning3]

I wish I could imagine there not being a ton of meaningless *possible* evidence out there that they would need to go through. In my mind I hope that it's not some of the hundreds of cigarette butts people constantly toss around outside, gum, soda and beer cans, and probably thousands of little things that have come from thousands of people. I hope that there is something good in the mess of things that I'm sure they'd have to collect just incase..

It's hard to imagine a SK or even a first time killer being so stupid as to toss cigarette butts or soda cans in this day and age when DNA technology is so advanced. I know it still happens, but what must be going through their heads? I suppose they think they're so clever that no one will ever get close enough to connecting them to the crime. This, of course, would indicate that their DNA wasn't already on file for a previous crime. It would be outrageously stupid for a criminal who knew his DNA was on file to toss a cigarette butt ANYWHERE near the crime scene.


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[Spiritecho]

Okay, Alethea (since you are back on now) or Gitana1. I am still trying to determine how it is that the Mears property was being searched the same day that RL's property was being searched via the SW. That was March 17th, IIRC. Like I said I am assuming that they were searching for anything regarding the murders, possibly having nothing to do with the Mears family themselves.

If they would have had to get a SW for the Mears property, then it bothers me that neither MSM nor LE stated that there were two searches via SWs that day, but led us to believe that it was RL only.

If LE was not required to have a search warrant to go and search the Mears property but could search on a verbal okay from the Mears family then, of course the MSM would not need report that. It would still puzzle me why they wouldn't simply state that LE was also searching the Mears Farm as well, that is still newsworthy, is it not?

The Mears property (across the street, with the barn and grain auger?) that was searched March 10, the same evening/day/night RL was arrested for PV.

RL's property was searched March 17.

 

[Dawning3]

Assuming BG knew school was going to be out that day...how would he know this:

1. Employee or contractor at school/ school district
2. Social media

Did the girls ever post on sm that school would be out? Soory as more time passes, my recollection of some details gets fuzzier...

3. School's website
4. Relative of student
5. Former student?
6. Lives near school, or drive by and saw it was closed for the day due to no cars (was there a sign too?)
Where all was this information posted, online and otherwise?

Does BG have a direct visual? (Binoculars, etc.)

Oh, #6 is a good one I hadn't thought of before.

I could go either way on whether or not BG knew school was out that day. Since he most likely attacked an hour before school would have been out anyway, I don't think it can be said with certainty that he must have known there was a school holiday. He may have just been there scouting to see who showed up, and been pleasantly surprised (disgusting thought, I know) to find young victims a little earlier than expected.


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[Dawning3]

Maybe he was hoping a college girl jogger or teen who had cut school would be there. Who knows how long he was hunting in the area.

Or, even a home-schooled kid.


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[Shiressleuth]

Did both girls play the same sports or other extracurricular activities like band or science club? They could have come into contact with a father of child on their team or another team who started watching them through his child's social media, if they were posting their plans. I really believe he knew they were going to be there that day and followed them in. It doesn't appear this was someone they knew, so how did he know they were going to be there? And I don't think he lives in the town or someone would have recognized him. Question, are we allowed to sleuth RL?

Both girls participated in sports - Abby , volleyball and Libby swimming and softball with Abbey planning on joining in with softball. I believe Abbey may also have been in the school band. Your ideas are therefore very valid. We can and have sleuthed RL so that is allowed. If I have any of this wrong, could OPs correct me? MOO.
(I will edit or repost any thing wrong)

 

[WebSight]

The Mears property (across the street, with the barn and grain auger?) that was searched March 10, the same evening/day/night RL was arrested for PV.

RL's property was searched March 17.

Yes it was searched on the 10th. It was also searched on the 17th. I watched the footage and it shows them with the dogs going into the barn on the Mears farm.

I will go find the video and link it here. FOUND IT.

Here is a still shot of LE with dogs going into the barn on the Mears Farm during the March 17th search.
Just watched the video again. Not one mention of the search going on across the street at the same time. Why not?

[video=youtube;Y5IhtGy7d8A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5IhtGy7d8A&list=PLbU9zHKD2wzCq_1rlTvhVDEO Vtxlm0wWw&index=27[/video]

 

[Shiressleuth]

The Mears property (across the street, with the barn and grain auger?) that was searched March 10, the same evening/day/night RL was arrested for PV.

RL's property was searched March 17.

Have you got a link for the March 10th search? TIA.

 

[Bearmar58]

On thread 55, page 46, post #679 from Falling Down. If you open the first link time.com/4671589/Snapchat-del...missing-girls/. Let the picture appear without playing the video, once the picture appears you can see a man on the bridge dressed in camouflage. This looks like a reflection on the lens.

I am new, I have not figured out how to do all this. I also want justice for Abby and Libby. Anyone else see this man?

 

[Burnt Toast]

Both girls participated in sports - Abby , volleyball and Libby swimming and softball with Abbey planning on joining in with softball. I believe Abbey may also have been in the school band. Your ideas are therefore very valid. We can and have sleuthed RL so that is allowed. If I have any of this wrong, could OPs correct me? MOO.
(I will edit or repost any thing wrong)

yes, RL is the only person we can sleuth. that came about with the probable cause search warrant of his place on march 17th.

 

[mtnlites]

Also it was the day before Valentine's Day, could they have been planning to meet up with a boy or someone they thought was their own age they met online
I think their phones and SM accounts could hold many clues

Didn't the "computer crimes" unit join the case fairly recently?

I have to think that the girls' social media accounts were the first things they went through. Even without the physical phone, all of their virtual footprints would be available to LE. I know this from having just bought a new laptop. I was floored to realize that ALL of my electronic bookmarks, passwords, messages, etc. could be brought up on my new unit, just by signing into Google. (I am still constantly being amazed by technology.)

 

[Shiressleuth]

Was either the Mears farm or RL's farm a working farm?

Mears farm probably yes imo based on size. RL no I don't believe so, horses and dogs. MOO.

 

[Dawning3]

I hope the 3rd friend who pulled out doesn't carry any guilt of what happened. Can you imagine the what if's and these are just teenage girls we are dealing with. So many people life's affected by a vile act.

The poor girl and her parents must be having nightmares about what might have happened to her ALSO, if she had been there. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that he could have controlled a third girl in the same way that he controlled two (most likely with a gun pointed at them.)

Kids can be quite cruel! I can imagine some mean kids at school telling this girl that it's her fault, even though any reasonable person would know it's not the truth. I just hope the school was pro-active and warned the students about strict consequences for anyone bullying other students in such a way.


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