IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #65

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

One thing I wanted to mention re: the latest interview, as related to a possible connection to L and L's case: When he said, as related to them, that "they can't even determine cause of death" (in Lizzie and Lyric's case), that to me means they have not ruled out a connection definitively, and do acknowledge that there very well cooooould be a possible connection, but just have no physical means to definitively link them. So, imo, I don't think a connection to Iowa is conclusively off the table, moo.

Did you guys come up with any cases in L and L's thread which you think could be connected?

I completely agree.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Talking about drugs I just googled one pot meth cooking and it is very common, portable etc . I don't see that it can be ruled out. Has anyone seen where LE have been asked specifically and ruled it out? I also see that a connection to Iowa has not been ruled out based on my interpretation of what LE said last week. (See transcripts in media thread -tks Spellbound and Steleheart)
JMO.

JMO...
Doesn't cooking meth give off a strong odor? Wouldn't others on the trails or nearby have smelled it? These questions are why I lean away from the scenario the girls stumbled upon him cooking meth. Although, with the wind blow the right direction and a small quantity, maybe the odor wouldn't have traveled very far... It might be possible but I'm just not seeing it at this point.

I do not recall LE being questioned about this nor do I recall them ruling it out.

I got the same impression as you and Margarita25, they cannot completely rule out a connection with the Iowa case, although they also cannot conclusively say the two cases are connected either.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

I just found this info at Indiana Department of Correction. It explains the sex and violent offender registry appeal procedure. And the next part is what I found disturbing, it appears there is a loophole for violent offenders pre 7/1/2007? Partial quote in italics below is from: http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm

*NOTICE: TO ALL VIOLENT OFFENDERS WHO COMMITTED THEIR OFFENSES IN INDIANA PRIOR TO JULY 1, 2007 AND WHO ARE NOT REQUIRED TO REGISTER AS VIOLENT OFFENDERS AS A CURRENT CONDITION OF PROBATION OR PAROLE

The violent offender law requiring registration and a registry of violent offenders is unconstitutionally retroactive under the Indiana Constitution as applied to violent offenders who committed their offenses in Indiana before the date the law went into effect, July 1, 2007, except insofar as the persons are required to register as a current condition of probation or parole.

If you have been classified as violent offender as a result of committing the offense in Indiana prior to July 1, 2007, and you are not currently required to register as a condition of probation or parole, the Indiana Department of Correction has been ordered to remove your name and all information concerning you from the sex and violent offender registry, unless you are convicted of other offenses that allow you to be currently classified as a sex or violent offender.

Thanks for this response as well.This person showed conviction in 2012 and should be on the registry.I may contact the Cass County courthouse to make further inquiries.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I just found this info at Indiana Department of Correction. It explains the sex and violent offender registry appeal procedure. And the next part is what I found disturbing, it appears there is a loophole for violent offenders pre 7/1/2007? Partial quote in italics below is from: http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm

*NOTICE: TO ALL VIOLENT OFFENDERS WHO COMMITTED THEIR OFFENSES IN INDIANA PRIOR TO JULY 1, 2007 AND WHO ARE NOT REQUIRED TO REGISTER AS VIOLENT OFFENDERS AS A CURRENT CONDITION OF PROBATION OR PAROLE

The violent offender law requiring registration and a registry of violent offenders is unconstitutionally retroactive under the Indiana Constitution as applied to violent offenders who committed their offenses in Indiana before the date the law went into effect, July 1, 2007, except insofar as the persons are required to register as a current condition of probation or parole.

If you have been classified as violent offender as a result of committing the offense in Indiana prior to July 1, 2007, and you are not currently required to register as a condition of probation or parole, the Indiana Department of Correction has been ordered to remove your name and all information concerning you from the sex and violent offender registry, unless you are convicted of other offenses that allow you to be currently classified as a sex or violent offender.

Ok that is concerning. Can a Foia request be done to find out who has requested and been removed I wonder?

 

[minazoe]

why would you set up a meth lab along a trail where people frequently walk and visit?

this was not a deranged and paranoid druggie murder, this was an organized murder.

perhaps they don't want to hurt the families by releasing some of the details, but they should clarify the type of murder this was and a profile of the killer they are looking for.

while I think it's possible that they might have been trying to get some weed or something ( even tho the girls are way too young for that imo)

there is 100 percent no evidence of a Meth Lab in that area, and if there was the cops would have said so.

Please stay with the evidence.:deadhorse:

 

[Jax49]

Ok that is concerning. Can a Foia request be done to find out who has requested and been removed I wonder?

For crimes before July 1, 2007 removal should be automatic. From KK's link:

"This will be done automatically unless the Department of Correction cannot determine when the person committed the offense or whether he or she is required to register as a condition of probation or parole."

 

[Yellow Rose]

I just found this info at Indiana Department of Correction. It explains the sex and violent offender registry appeal procedure. And the next part is what I found disturbing, it appears there is a loophole for violent offenders pre 7/1/2007? Partial quote in italics below is from: http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm

*NOTICE: TO ALL VIOLENT OFFENDERS WHO COMMITTED THEIR OFFENSES IN INDIANA PRIOR TO JULY 1, 2007 AND WHO ARE NOT REQUIRED TO REGISTER AS VIOLENT OFFENDERS AS A CURRENT CONDITION OF PROBATION OR PAROLE

The violent offender law requiring registration and a registry of violent offenders is unconstitutionally retroactive under the Indiana Constitution as applied to violent offenders who committed their offenses in Indiana before the date the law went into effect, July 1, 2007, except insofar as the persons are required to register as a current condition of probation or parole.

If you have been classified as violent offender as a result of committing the offense in Indiana prior to July 1, 2007, and you are not currently required to register as a condition of probation or parole, the Indiana Department of Correction has been ordered to remove your name and all information concerning you from the sex and violent offender registry, unless you are convicted of other offenses that allow you to be currently classified as a sex or violent offender.

That's honestly worthy of an ANGRY emoji! Ugh!

 

[Shiressleuth]

why would you set up a meth lab along a trail where people frequently walk and visit?

this was not a deranged and paranoid druggie murder, this was an organized murder.

perhaps they don't want to hurt the families by releasing some of the details, but they should clarify the type of murder this was and a profile of the killer they are looking for.

while I think it's possible that they might have been trying to get some weed or something ( even tho the girls are way too young for that imo)

there is 100 percent no evidence of a Meth Lab in that area, and if there was the cops would have said so.

Please stay with the evidence.:deadhorse:

I am not talking about "the trail" but the empty private properties at the secluded south end in the direction this guy was heading.

WADR what is the evidence for an "organised" murder, as you have said, as opposed to a "random" or drug induced one? Where does your "100%" statement originate? My "evidence" is the similar murder of young Skyla and Taylor who were shot multiple times by a guy who thought they were "monsters". He was only discovered when he shot his GF some years later.

AJMO

 

[Shiressleuth]

Ok that is concerning. Can a Foia request be done to find out who has requested and been removed I wonder?

For crimes before July 1, 2007 removal should be automatic. From KK's link:

"This will be done automatically unless the Department of Correction cannot determine when the person committed the offense or whether he or she is required to register as a condition of probation or parole."

Oh heck. Well same question to find out who has automatically been removed then maybe?

 

[ImnoSherlock]

I did not mean for the thread to go off topic with my question.I contacted a sheriff's dept. and was told that the registry is updated daily so if the person went back to jail then it may not update their info and show again til release.For the most part they answered my question and will get back to me on the rest of my inquiry.I was told however that she would go over the documents and anyone that needed to be added would be.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I did not mean for the thread to go off topic with my question.I contacted a sheriff's dept. and was told that the registry is updated daily so if the person went back to jail then it may not update their info and show again til release.For the most part they answered my question and will get back to me on the rest of my inquiry.I was told however that she would go over the documents and anyone that needed to be added would be.

No prob. I'm sure there will be a new thread soon anyway. If we knew it was not a sexually based murder I guess it would be OT but as we do not know atm then it's all relevant imo.

 

[deedee21]

Agreed. Can we contact the producers??

Websleuths use to have a forum/thread to post cases these shows might be interested in. I cant find it.

 

[Detective Willy]

<modsnip> Reading through many of the posts, W'Sleuthers seem to have lost sight of the fact we have a photograph of him and many sleuthers have drifted off to theories "what if this and that". Stay focused, he is right in front of us all. Focus on the date, the approximate time, any weird overly-very quiet or overly-confident transient/dodgy person who was in that vicinity at that time or (within 2 hours "known" travel time at 3pm). He is NOT normal. Weirdo alert. He lives within 5 minutes of one of us reading this.

 

[deedee21]

Thanks! It's beyond scary. Hubby works on the borderline of Chicago & he had to get permission to post BG's sketch because they had never heard of this "case".

It turns out alot of people from Indiana never heard of this case.
This case needs more coverage.
The killer is walking around unnoticed.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I did not mean for the thread to go off topic with my question.I contacted a sheriff's dept. and was told that the registry is updated daily so if the person went back to jail then it may not update their info and show again til release.For the most part they answered my question and will get back to me on the rest of my inquiry.I was told however that she would go over the documents and anyone that needed to be added would be.

No prob. I'm sure there will be a new thread soon anyway. If we knew it was not a sexually based murder I guess it would be OT but as we do not know atm then it's all relevant imo.

 

[deedee21]

This question is for the folks who live in Indiana. Is the killers accent local to the area?
Does anyone on the forum have an idea what state the killer is from?
Thats where alot of the media attention should focus on. Thats where LE will get a name from.
Someone knows him.

 

[adayharsh]

This question is for the folks who live in Indiana. Is the killers accent local to the area?
Does anyone on the forum have an idea what state the killer is from?
Thats where alot of the media attention should focus on. Thats where LE will get a name from.
Someone knows him.

IMO

I would say he sounds like a lot of people from southern IN. Maybe Columbus/Edinburgh area is what it reminds me of.

IMO


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[2Hope4]

I was just asking. As you say, it is a discussion thread. Many have discounted the drug angle- I haven't .

I haven't discounted this as a drug revenge murder yet. Time will tell. I can't discount very many things because we don't have many facts to go on. Until this killer is caught, IMO, all theories hold as much as the next.
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[2Hope4]

I don't think we heard enough of his voice to even get an accent. I live in VA...he sounds like lots of men here.

 

[margarita25]

Thanks! It's beyond scary. Hubby works on the borderline of Chicago & he had to get permission to post BG's sketch because they had never heard of this "case".

Chicago should be especially be on our radars, moo. I wish there could be another media blitz in Chicago specifically.