IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #66

[Yemelyan]

That is a great post Yemelyan. I had not seen it, so Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Im surprised more people didn't pick up on this as a distinct possibility. I do.

I don't think we know for sure whether LE have the killer's DNA in this current case? I'm presuming not.

If they have, it would be easy to ascertain, or rule out, a link between these tragic cases, separated in time by almost 30 years, but geographically by only 95 miles!


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Thank you. And even if they do have DNA that links the two...they still dont have a name. A linkage would be a bombshell but I don't know if LE would keep that info close for now or announce it.

 

[Deleted member 189081]

But its summer. We have seasonal clothing...

My OH walks the hound every morning early.He is always wrapped up as even on an early summers day it can be chilly and he puts his fleece or warmer coat on.

When I looked at BG on the bridge IMHO he looked uncomfortable cold and wrapped up.

TBH and once again only personal opinion, not fact or anything else I actually can't see the sketch being the same as BG, as BG to me just has the air of being younger than the sketch don't ask me why I can't answer. The sketch guy looks well weathered, healthy that's the only way I can describe him, outdoor type.

All in my personal opinion only.

KR
Reacher

 

[deedee21]

After reviewing April Tinsley's open thread, my thoughts are in agreement with those who believe her killer - due to his age being reported as "early 30's" in 1988 - is more closely associated with the 1982 disappearance of 8-year-old Kelly Prosser of Columbus, OH. (The thread regarding Kelly is also still open, but dormant.) Since Parabon - by itself - cannot scientifically prove April's killer was notably younger than his "early 30's" in 1988, there would have to be another way to invalidate LE's original findings for me to entertain thoughts of him also being BG. No current image of BG - enhanced, composite or otherwise - convinces me he's 60+ years old.

Thanks for soliciting our thoughts.

In 1996, Morgan Violi was kidnapped and killed in Kentucky. The police did find the van used in the abduction. It was stolen in Dayton Ohio. The killing is unsolved. There is a sketch of the perp.
Youtube has several videos about this case.

 

[her]

There was a white car or truck reported at the entrance and talked about in the early threads.

I've gone through just about every article I can find, and didn't see a mention of a truck. Was this reported in the news?

The only thing I could find about a white truck, was one that was owned by RL. And there is some blog on this case, where the blogger admits to making things up, where a white truck is mentioned. Couldn't find anything else on this.

I think a white truck was also discussed and speculated about as possibly being the coroners truck. IIrc imo.

I said it was talked about in the early threads. I do recall that clear as a bell. It was not RL truck or a corners truck. It was from witnesses or the like mentioning by the entrance of the trail. Specifically white. I swear it was a car but cannot be positive on that. <modsnip>

 

[Jax49]

I've been looking for that. Are we not allowed to post a link?

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...lliams-Scanner-Thread&p=13299892#post13299892

This hits at an interesting point, but of course you may want to start at the beginning. Or, try the search function.

ETA: Scanner traffic info can't be brought upstairs.

 

[Hoosier952]

This brings to mind the murder of Hannah Graham and her killer Jesse Matthew. His very first victim (that we know of) was able to survive her attack in Fairfax, VA, in 2005. His DNA was obtained. His DNA was matched up with DNA left involving Morgan Harrington's death. So we had matching DNA for two crimes but not the suspect. Thankfully, the cameras on businesses captured Jesse Matthew as he stalked Hannah and witnesses saw him leave with her. Perhaps this is the case here. LE has someone in their radar (we hope) and they are building their solid case.

It makes me wonder how many missing persons (reported and unreported) or other crime victims could have potentially been a previous victim, if BG has indeed committed prior crimes. If he's 30-50 years old, he could potentially have 20 years of victims left behind. With so little information, it would be hard to connect the dots and tie other cases together. If there was SA involved, we could likely narrow down victims to females. But Libby and Abby's ages make it hard to determine if he had a preference for young teens or just post-pubescent females. With Delphi being so close to Purdue and the sheer amount of SA that happens on college campuses (reported and unreported), he could potentially have victims there.

Of course, I'm making some huge leaps, but I do think I will do some searching today.

It has been mentioned many times how the perp sketch looks very generic. What characteristics of the sketch stand out to you guys? If you happened to know this person what would the characteristics be that would make you go WTH I need to tip LE? We've been told to focus on facial features so not the hat please

As noted by others, the wider bridge of his nose sticks out the most and it appears a bit crooked. Genetics maybe, but more likely that nose has been broken before. It looks like the bridge of my dad's nose and somewhat mine, both broken numerous times. Football, softball, basketball, a bike wreck, a car wreck, and several punches between the two. The hooded eyelids also and the slight puffiness under the lower lids. Something that hasn't been mentioned though, is his neck. I notice the slightly visible adam's apple, but it doesn't appear to be pointy. Whether that's actually true to witness accounts or not, I'm not sure, but it seems an odd thing to add if it wasn't.

Here is the article about handing flyers out to the Amish in the area. They did this because the Amish are not likely to see a posting on the internet--because they don't use the internet.

http://www.wlfi.com/story/34626345/stepping-up-search-tactics-in-delphi-double-homicide-case

I don't know how likely they are to report things to LE even if they did have information.

 

[Confusion]

I've been wondering how familiar the witnesses were with the stills. Even if they had seen the guy for more than a few minutes, it's possible that the images from the video may have influenced them at least a bit. Is it possible that the sketch isn't totally accurate because it was subconsciously based partially on the stills and partially from memory. Without having seen the stills, memories may have been less clear, but there may have been something more distinctive remembered. I have no idea if the pictures had any influence at all, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

 

[Sillybilly]

The only thing I could find about a white truck, was one that was owned by RL. And there is some blog on this case, where the blogger admits to making things up, where a white truck is mentioned. Couldn't find anything else on this.

There definitely was a white truck with canopy on RL’sproperty, and there was a white truck that was towed during the search of either his property or the property across the road. I don’t think we were able to determine whether it was the same truck or not.

http://fox59.com/2017/03/17/authorities-serve-search-warrant-in-connection-with-delphi-murder-case/

^^ Go to the pic of RL and click through on “View Gallery”


HTH

 

[CoreyRocks]

http://aol.it/2x2F8Aa

What do you think of this guy? He looks similar to BG.

Moo.

It is from FOX59 in Carmel Indiana news.

 

[htiff]

There definitely was a white truck with canopy on RL&#8217;sproperty, and there was a white truck that was towed during the search of either his property or the property across the road. I don&#8217;t think we were able to determine whether it was the same truck or not.

http://fox59.com/2017/03/17/authorities-serve-search-warrant-in-connection-with-delphi-murder-case/

^^ Go to the pic of RL and click through on &#8220;View Gallery&#8221;


HTH

The discussion I was addressing regarding a "white truck" was in relation to whether LE had discovered or mentioned a vehicle parked near the trail that could possibly have been that of the killer.

That RL has a white truck, that was searched, is pretty well established and is featured in a number of reports (note that in the comment you replied to I mention that RL had such a truck). But as RL has been publicly cleared, it seems unlikely that the white truck viewed in the news clip has anything to do with either the killer, or the murders.

However, something I find very interesting (once again), in the news clip, is the sparseness of the forest at that time of year. Again, these shots point to how much of a risk the killer was willing to take to do what he did.

You can see from the video that there is clear visibility in every direction. Anyone could have happened on this abduction.

 

[htiff]

It makes me wonder how many missing persons (reported and unreported) or other crime victims could have potentially been a previous victim, if BG has indeed committed prior crimes. If he's 30-50 years old, he could potentially have 20 years of victims left behind. With so little information, it would be hard to connect the dots and tie other cases together. If there was SA involved, we could likely narrow down victims to females. But Libby and Abby's ages make it hard to determine if he had a preference for young teens or just post-pubescent females. With Delphi being so close to Purdue and the sheer amount of SA that happens on college campuses (reported and unreported), he could potentially have victims there.

Of course, I'm making some huge leaps, but I do think I will do some searching today.



As noted by others, the wider bridge of his nose sticks out the most and it appears a bit crooked. Genetics maybe, but more likely that nose has been broken before. It looks like the bridge of my dad's nose and somewhat mine, both broken numerous times. Football, softball, basketball, a bike wreck, a car wreck, and several punches between the two. The hooded eyelids also and the slight puffiness under the lower lids. Something that hasn't been mentioned though, is his neck. I notice the slightly visible adam's apple, but it doesn't appear to be pointy. Whether that's actually true to witness accounts or not, I'm not sure, but it seems an odd thing to add if it wasn't.



I don't know how likely they are to report things to LE even if they did have information.

Your point about the Amish being disinclined to cooperate with LE--I have no knowledge of this being the case, but you might be right. What this makes me think of though, is the possibility that someone who knows who this guy is has an issue with LE--perhaps an outstanding legal issue. Which is pure speculation (there is no evidence of this, or that the Amish wouldn't want to help solve a murder of this kind, given that they also have children who could be prey to this killer), but maybe there is something to that idea.

 

[CoreyRocks]

http://fox59.com/2017/08/28/carmel-...ng-3-children-at-neighborhood-pool-party/amp/

This might be a more mainstream link than the one I put above that said AOL. Anyway when I opened up the article my heart skipped a beat. Could this be BG? Yikes.

 

[her]

There definitely was a white truck with canopy on RL&#8217;sproperty, and there was a white truck that was towed during the search of either his property or the property across the road. I don&#8217;t think we were able to determine whether it was the same truck or not.

http://fox59.com/2017/03/17/authorities-serve-search-warrant-in-connection-with-delphi-murder-case/

^^ Go to the pic of RL and click through on &#8220;View Gallery&#8221;


HTH

Correct but, I was talking about a discussion that happened in the early threads about a witness driving past the trail head on the road entrance and seeing a vehicle parked there.
It is a separate location and incident from the RL property search where a white truck was taken away. Which we never heard anymore about it that I remember.

 

[jillybean51]

Correct but, I was talking about a discussion that happened in the early threads about a witness driving past the trail head on the road entrance and seeing a vehicle parked there.
It is a separate location and incident from the RL property search where a white truck was taken away. Which we never heard anymore about it that I remember.

I remember that was mentioned on FB about a white car with paper plates. Is this what you are thinking of?[emoji4]


Always my opinion only [emoji230]

 

[htiff]

Correct but, I was talking about a discussion that happened in the early threads about a witness driving past the trail head on the road entrance and seeing a vehicle parked there.
It is a separate location and incident from the RL property search where a white truck was taken away. Which we never heard anymore about it that I remember.

To SillyBilly--this is what I was addressing.

There are news articles that are harder to find in a search. It would be interesting to see if anyone can locate the source of this sighting.

 

[her]

The discussion I was addressing regarding a "white truck" was in relation to whether LE had discovered or mentioned a vehicle parked near the trail that could possibly have been that of the killer.

That RL has a white truck, that was searched, is pretty well established and is featured in a number of reports (note that in the comment you replied to I mention that RL had such a truck). But as RL has been publicly cleared, it seems unlikely that the white truck viewed in the news clip has anything to do with either the killer, or the murders.

However, something I find very interesting (once again), in the news clip, is the sparseness of the forest at that time of year. Again, these shots point to how much of a risk the killer was willing to take to do what he did.

You can see from the video that there is clear visibility in every direction. Anyone could have happened on this abduction.

BBM:
He was?

 

[htiff]

I remember that was mentioned on FB about a white car with paper plates. Is this what you are thinking of?[emoji4]


Always my opinion only [emoji230]

But was this ever reported by LE?

 

[htiff]

BBM:
He was?

Yes. He has been officially cleared. I'll find the articles, but you can google this. He was cleared early on.

This is just one of many articles where it mentions that Ronald Logan was cleared of the murders of Abigail and Libby. He is, sadly, a bit of a lush, it would seem. And is going to do some time for violating probation for a DUI charge that must have been kind of serious:

"[FONT=&quot]Logan is not facing any charges in connection with the girls&#8217; disappearance or murders. The Carroll County sheriff said he is "still involved" with the investigation, but is not considered a suspect."[/FONT]

http://www.wibc.com/news/local-news/two-year-sentence-delphi-property-owner-ronald-logan

I think it's even mentioned in the Fox 59 interview with Holhorthe??? that RL is cleared.

 

[her]

I remember that was mentioned on FB about a white car with paper plates. Is this what you are thinking of?[emoji4]


Always my opinion only [emoji230]

I am not reading the FB groups, maybe twice in the 6 months and I ran!
I do recall it being talked over, the rest I don't know.
Thanks

 

[her]

Yes. He has been officially cleared. I'll find the articles, but you can google this. He was cleared early on.

Err no he wasn't
Not that I'm on the RL bandwagon or anything but that was such a point of contention here. I'm not going to comment anymore on it.

We truly are spinning and need more information from LE soon to get this guy.