IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #71

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TeaTime said:
Where? Where was DN that is too coincidental? Do you mean in the state of Indiana? Or do you have evidence that puts him in Delphi at any time, but in particular on 2/13?

Please share.

And as far as the other poster with the theory that DN was really the guy that was there, but BG was too and got drawn by mistake (??? that is as much sense as I can make out of the post - sorry) no, just no. I never even considered this 'theory' or whatever it may be and now that I have read it will not consider it.

Folks, there is NOTHING to connect DN to the murders in Delphi. NOTHING. There is not a scintilla of evidence to even suggest that there is a connection other than the state of Indiana. I am sorry, but it is true and all the speculation in the world won't change that fact. Could it come to pass that there is evidence to connect this man to the crime? Sure. Anything is possible. But, jumping the gun is so unfair to this man and his family.

He is a homeless, non-compliant RSO, pot smoking exhibitionist with a wife and 2 kids who moved from Indiana and got caught in a car which also had a weapon in it. That is all we know.
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We don't know, this is true, we don't know many facts about this case. The police are the ones who have directed this line of inquiry, and have not ruled him out like they did with RL.


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oh! it said three missing women...and I thought they all looked alike ! LOLZ sorry about that!
 
Nothing yet?

Bringing forward most recent msm:

Police say there’s no specific information to ‘include or exclude’ Daniel Nations as suspect in Delphimurders
http://fox59.com/2017/10/03/isp-no-...-daniel-nations-as-suspect-in-delphi-murders/

"DELPHI, Ind. – After sending investigators to Colorado to investigate Daniel Nations a person of interest in the Delphi double homicide, Indiana State Police say no information specifically includes him or excludes him as the suspect.

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Colorado Springs suspect not yet tied to slain Indiana teens
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/10/03/colorado-springs-suspect-indiana-deaths/

"Two state police detectives traveled Friday to El Paso County to investigate whether the 31-year-old man could be linked to the February deaths of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams."

State police say those detectives returned Monday to Indiana and are reviewing information they gathered in Colorado.

"Nations is jailed in Colorado on reckless endangerment and other charges after he wasarrested on a gun charge after allegedly threatening people with a hatchet."

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Family says sketch of Delphi suspect resembles new ‘person of interest’
http://fox59.com/2017/10/03/family-says-sketch-of-delphi-suspect-resembles-new-person-of-interest/

"“I was his guardian until he turned 18 and I sent him through school. Then he went to the Army and then he got married then he got divorced. I do not know what happened to him,” said Nations grandma Frona Hamm."

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"Until last week, Libby German’s grandparents, Mike and Becky Patty, say they had never heard of Daniel Nations.

“We are certainly hopeful that the information proves that this is the guy,” said Mike.

“I do not want to get my hopes up too much. We have been through this several times and when you go through that, the drop when it is not them is tremendous,” said Becky.

Then they saw his picture. FOX59 asked them if they see similarities between the suspect sketch and Daniel Nations.

“Absolutely, I see the goatee and the lips are what stuck out to me,” said Mike.

“The eyes, the eyes, I think the eyes are what convinced me that it could potentially be him,” said Becky."

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Police: Not yet clear whether Colo. hatchet suspect linked to slain Ind. girls
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police...lo-hatchet-suspect-linked-to-slain-ind-girls/

"The Indiana State Police say they've followed up on thousands of tips related to the girls' murders. They say they don't typically release investigative information on specific tips, but made an exception in the Colorado case because of numerous media inquiries."
 
I thought it might be helpful to have a summary of what media has said concerning the DNA evidence. (Please don't throw pie if you disagree or have a differing opinion as to the facts; this is simply what's been reported. :eek:)

The DNA Evidence -

1. The killer's DNA was found at the crime scene:

Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence Police tell us they have conducted hundreds of interviews, followed up on thousands of leads and served dozens of search warrants to find clues that the killer may have left behind, including DNA.
“At every crime scene, you are going to have DNA. We are still working on identifying all of the DNA that we have there,” said Sgt. Holeman.
Along with DNA evidence, police also have the suspect's voice. ...
http://fox59.com/2017/08/14/lead-detectives-in-delphi-murders-confirms-police-have-more-audio-from-teens-phone-dna-evidence/


Delphi murder investigators find DNA from girls’ killer Police investigating the murders of two teen girls from Delphi have found DNA supposedly belonging to the girls’ killer.
It’s been six months since Abby Williams and Libby German were murdered while walking on a hiking trail near Delphi, and now the Indiana State Police says they not only have more audio of the killer’s voice, recovered from Libby’s cell phone, but also DNA evidence that they believe belongs to the killer. ... Police aren’t yet releasing the additional audio, nor are they saying yet what kind of DNA evidence they have.
https://www.953mnc.com/2017/08/16/delphi-murder-investigators-find-dna-girls-killer/

2. DNA was not only found at the Delphi crime scene, but was "fast-tracked":
COPS have recovered DNA evidence from the crime scene where two girls, 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German, were found murdered.[/QUOTE]
The teens, who posted a chilling last Snapchat picture before they disappeared last week, were found dead close to a river near the town of Delphi in Indiana.
Police say they have recovered DNA evidence and have asked the lab to fast-track the vital clue, The Sun has reported.
“We asked for a fast-track as far as that piece of information,” said Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby. http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...n/news-story/29f37e4becf9bc04350dd22644f9e9cb

3. Crime scene DNA samples have been compared to every POI they've talked to, and a DNA sample has been collected from DN and is being tested/compared.
(*This repeated testing and elimination of prior POIs would also seem to imply that the crime scene sample collected is NOT unusable for any reason, but is viable and usable for determining if a POI is connected to this case. But JMO, of course.)

"Riley...said police also have obtained samples of Nations' DNA, which has become a common procedure over the course of the seven-month-long investigation. He added that the samples will be compared to evidence gathered at the crime scene.
"We check DNA on everybody that has been investigated," Riley said. "Every person that we have talked to, we've gotten a DNA swab from."
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...swers-soon-delphi-double-homicides/713451001/ (same article/different format at this link: https://amp.jconline.com/amp/713451001 )

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ETA: sorry for the double-quote boxes under each - tried to correct them 3x but not accepting html commands. :/ Am ditching the quote boxes. (I think.)
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tokyorose said:
I am about 60/40 he is not BG... I don't think he's as unintelligent as you do. It sounds like he's been smart enough not to talk to police if he is BG... also seems as though he's been smart enough not to leave his full DNA profile on Abby and Libby... MOO. I am playing devil's advocate too.
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He may not have wanted to part with his favourite weapon though - his hatchet may be his downfall imo. In fact, it is already the reason he is in jail as we debate the issues.
 
ocgrad said:
Has anyone come up with anything that connects him or KN to Delphi or Carroll Co? Work? Friend? At first I thought why would he leave the area near Martinsville? But he was staying near Zionsville with a coworker who asked him to leave because he was too weird. I believe she said he was working with her husband who felt sorry for him. So if work took him to Zionsville might that have brought him up to Delphi? Does someone local know if there was hiring in mid Feb he might have heard about? IN Packers? I assumed he wouldn't have a vehicle since it was said he was living under a bridge instead of living in his car. Someone mentioned some road construction in the area, right? But LE would have thoroughly gone over both that. And maybe they did and that's why they started trying to visit him at the motel till he finally ran. Do we know a timeline from when he left KN, when he was staying with the coworker and then under a bridge? We know he was in Martinsville on 2/14. When might he have come to Delphi?
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13th Feb 2017? His picture was taken on the Monon high bridge at 2.30 p.m. by a very sharp young lady. Has there ever been a conviction on video evidence alone?
 
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<modsnip> It can be nice to recap what we know in one solid post.

If no one ever posted stuff that had been covered already upthread these threads would be really short.

We just don't have new information to discuss so it's nice to use what we do have to see if it sparks any new ideas.

Plus, there are new people looking at these threads each and every day. Again, IMO it's helpful to recap what MSM has reported.

JMO


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TeaTime said:
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He is a homeless, non-compliant RSO, pot smoking exhibitionist with a wife and 2 kids who moved from Indiana and got caught in a car which also had a weapon in it. That is all we know.
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http://fox59.com/2017/09/28/man-arr...est-in-delphi-teens-murders-state-police-say/

From the link above, we read that "Indiana State Police said a man arrested in Colorado is now considered a 'person of interest' in the murders of two teenagers...but did not elaborate further."

https://www.wthr.com/article/carrol...k-between-colorado-suspect-and-delphi-murders

From this next link we read Sheriff Leazenby's words: "There are some similarities to what has occurred there to what we have here. Unfortunately, I can't go into any great detail right now. But there are some similarities," he said.

BBM

I don't know whether or not LE has a scintilla of evidence.

They've named DN a POI, for a reason.

They've stated there are similarities, for a reason.

&#8203;I'm just going to defer to LE on why...
 
Boxer said:
He is smart about systems - not getting drummed out of the Marines on his first exposing to a woman and her child while pleasuring himself - how did they not just discharge him? A mystery - he must have a mighty "Opie" effect on authorities.
Lood at how many thefts, threats, exposing himself, assaulting his wife in front of a child, property destruction, burglarizing friends homes, presented false ID to a police officer, failed to appear, arrested driving while suspended, driving with no insurance.

If he did do it - he is pretty confident he is going to get away with it like he always has.
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Its ironic how he has got away with it like he has, yet RL got 3 years just for only one similar driving offence.
 
PoirotryInMotion said:
I thought it might be helpful to have a summary of what media has said concerning the DNA evidence. (Please don't throw pie if you disagree or have a differing opinion as to the facts; this is simply what's been reported. :eek:)

The DNA Evidence -

1. The killer's DNA was found at the crime scene:

Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence Police tell us they have conducted hundreds of interviews, followed up on thousands of leads and served dozens of search warrants to find clues that the killer may have left behind, including DNA.
&#8220;At every crime scene, you are going to have DNA. We are still working on identifying all of the DNA that we have there,&#8221; said Sgt. Holeman.
Along with DNA evidence, police also have the suspect's voice. ...
http://fox59.com/2017/08/14/lead-detectives-in-delphi-murders-confirms-police-have-more-audio-from-teens-phone-dna-evidence/


Delphi murder investigators find DNA from girls&#8217; killer Police investigating the murders of two teen girls from Delphi have found DNA supposedly belonging to the girls&#8217; killer.
It&#8217;s been six months since Abby Williams and Libby German were murdered while walking on a hiking trail near Delphi, and now the Indiana State Police says they not only have more audio of the killer&#8217;s voice, recovered from Libby&#8217;s cell phone, but also DNA evidence that they believe belongs to the killer. ... Police aren&#8217;t yet releasing the additional audio, nor are they saying yet what kind of DNA evidence they have.
https://www.953mnc.com/2017/08/16/delphi-murder-investigators-find-dna-girls-killer/

2. DNA was not only found at the Delphi crime scene, but was "fast-tracked":
COPS have recovered DNA evidence from the crime scene where two girls, 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German, were found murdered.
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The teens, who posted a chilling last Snapchat picture before they disappeared last week, were found dead close to a river near the town of Delphi in Indiana.
Police say they have recovered DNA evidence and have asked the lab to fast-track the vital clue, The Sun has reported.
&#8220;We asked for a fast-track as far as that piece of information,&#8221; said Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby. http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...n/news-story/29f37e4becf9bc04350dd22644f9e9cb

3. Crime scene DNA samples have been compared to every POI they've talked to, and a DNA sample has been collected from DN and is being tested/compared.
(*This repeated testing and elimination of prior POIs would also seem to imply that the crime scene sample collected is NOT unusable for any reason, but is viable and usable for determining if a POI is connected to this case. But JMO, of course.)

"Riley...said police also have obtained samples of Nations' DNA, which has become a common procedure over the course of the seven-month-long investigation. He added that the samples will be compared to evidence gathered at the crime scene.
"We check DNA on everybody that has been investigated," Riley said. "Every person that we have talked to, we've gotten a DNA swab from."
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...swers-soon-delphi-double-homicides/713451001/ (same article/different format at this link: https://amp.jconline.com/amp/713451001 )

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ETA: sorry for the double-quote boxes under each - tried to correct them 3x but not accepting html commands. :/ Am ditching the quote boxes. (I think.)
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Posted in media thread (hope you don't mind):
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...melines-NO-DISCUSSION&p=13671224#post13671224
 
Agent Apricot said:
http://wishtv.com/2017/10/05/facebook-post-raises-new-questions-in-delphi-double-murders/

New article
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(Posting in media thread, thank you Agent Apricot)

Facebook post raises new questions in Delphi double murders
http://wishtv.com/2017/10/05/facebook-post-raises-new-questions-in-delphi-double-murders/

"In the post Katelyn Nations says she is currently married to Daniel but writes &#8220;that isn&#8217;t going to be for much longer.&#8221;

She writes that she is as disgusted about the deaths of the Abby Williams and Libby German as everyone else and is heartbroken for their families.

She adds in the post, &#8220;Now I know the biggest question has been did I know about his possible involvement..or did Daniel tell me he did it?. No. If he did y would have been like any other mother and called the police on him so he could be punished for said actions. However I don&#8217;t know of anything more than what I have told Police.&#8221;

Officers haven&#8217;t confirmed that they&#8217;ve spoken with Katelyn Nations as part of Daniel Nations&#8217; investigation, but said the team went to Colorado and &#8220;talked to who they needed to talk to.&#8221;

The post continues saying she is &#8220;disgusted with Daniel and with all he has done to me and put me through. I am in no way protecting him.&#8221;"
 
PoirotryInMotion said:
I thought it might be helpful to have a summary of what media has said concerning the DNA evidence. (Please don't throw pie if you disagree or have a differing opinion as to the facts; this is simply what's been reported. :eek:)

The DNA Evidence -

1. The killer's DNA was found at the crime scene:

Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence Police tell us they have conducted hundreds of interviews, followed up on thousands of leads and served dozens of search warrants to find clues that the killer may have left behind, including DNA.
&#8220;At every crime scene, you are going to have DNA. We are still working on identifying all of the DNA that we have there,&#8221; said Sgt. Holeman.
Along with DNA evidence, police also have the suspect's voice. ...
http://fox59.com/2017/08/14/lead-detectives-in-delphi-murders-confirms-police-have-more-audio-from-teens-phone-dna-evidence/


Delphi murder investigators find DNA from girls&#8217; killer Police investigating the murders of two teen girls from Delphi have found DNA supposedly belonging to the girls&#8217; killer.
It&#8217;s been six months since Abby Williams and Libby German were murdered while walking on a hiking trail near Delphi, and now the Indiana State Police says they not only have more audio of the killer&#8217;s voice, recovered from Libby&#8217;s cell phone, but also DNA evidence that they believe belongs to the killer. ... Police aren&#8217;t yet releasing the additional audio, nor are they saying yet what kind of DNA evidence they have.
https://www.953mnc.com/2017/08/16/delphi-murder-investigators-find-dna-girls-killer/

2. DNA was not only found at the Delphi crime scene, but was "fast-tracked":
COPS have recovered DNA evidence from the crime scene where two girls, 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German, were found murdered.
Click to expand...
The teens, who posted a chilling last Snapchat picture before they disappeared last week, were found dead close to a river near the town of Delphi in Indiana.
Police say they have recovered DNA evidence and have asked the lab to fast-track the vital clue, The Sun has reported.
&#8220;We asked for a fast-track as far as that piece of information,&#8221; said Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby. http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...n/news-story/29f37e4becf9bc04350dd22644f9e9cb

3. Crime scene DNA samples have been compared to every POI they've talked to, and a DNA sample has been collected from DN and is being tested/compared.
(*This repeated testing and elimination of prior POIs would also seem to imply that the crime scene sample collected is NOT unusable for any reason, but is viable and usable for determining if a POI is connected to this case. But JMO, of course.)

"Riley...said police also have obtained samples of Nations' DNA, which has become a common procedure over the course of the seven-month-long investigation. He added that the samples will be compared to evidence gathered at the crime scene.
"We check DNA on everybody that has been investigated," Riley said. "Every person that we have talked to, we've gotten a DNA swab from."
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...swers-soon-delphi-double-homicides/713451001/ (same article/different format at this link: https://amp.jconline.com/amp/713451001 )

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Very handy thanks for posting, plus your funny pie comment gave me an excuse to post this!
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Shiressleuth said:
He may not have wanted to part with his favourite weapon though - his hatchet may be his downfall imo. In fact, it is already the reason he is in jail as we debate the issues.
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I wonder about that aspect, too. Thinking back a *few* years ago to the work done by Ron Hazlewood and John Douglas (and others), FBI profiler pioneers - there seemed then so much interest in understanding the minds of serial killers. The public started to pay attention, despite the low incidence occurrence of serial crimes. That public interest might have come from the interest Silence of the Lambs brought.

Anyway, since then, and as time has gone by, I have not noticed as much interest in some of the newer cases on the signature - the personal mark or imprint of the offender.
 
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