IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #76

[Don Frye]

drama farmer, your right on the money!
They were probably waiting for the man as I said before. A promise of seeing something or getting something? The girls were initially not afraid of him.

 

[Rott Mom]

Me too I thought he treated the girl’s memories and their loved ones with dignity and didn’t try to sensationalise things the way other crime journalists do sometimes.

Hope you are well Rott Mom.

Off topic...thank you greg - I'm still recovering. Hope you are well. Thank you for dedicating your time to Libby and Abby.

 

[mtnlites]

I am sorry for your loss. I totally agree with you. I do the same thing since losing my son. I could see the hurt and how they were trying hard to hold it together. You do what you have to do. I imagine after the taping of the show it was a different story. I so hope, for the sake of the families and for justice for the girls, the killer is caught no matter who or where he is.

Pretty much the worst club in the world to belong to. :-( I'm sorry you're a member, too.

 

[Jax49]

Welcome all new posters.

Reminding everyone to please use Reply with quote. It makes the thread so much easier to read. TIA.

 

[mtnlites]

drama farmer, your right on the money!
They were probably waiting for the man as I said before. A promise of seeing something or getting something? The girls were initially not afraid of him.

I think they were afraid of him and that's why Libby started videotaping.

 

[minazoe]

Could be, for sure.

Jumping on the personality traits of someone like isaiah keyes, who seemed to murder because he could, what do you think? I have always imagined this an opportunistic crime, happening fast, and the killer getting out in a hurry.

There *could* be an attention seeking quality. While there are no letters to the media or law enforcement, the events today would no doubt have either a fear response to the killer, or a feeling of positivity, depending on his personality.

Another take away from the Dr. Phil show, as suggested by Mike Patty, is the bridge guy is the guy in the blue jacket, and the voice recorded is BG as well, and BG is the killer.

Another thing I thought about was the window of time between the SnapChat pic of Abby, and Libby’s dad calling to say he was almost to the parking lot to pick them up- a short window of time.

The killer must’ve been quick and out of there before hearing the phone ring, the phone was dropped away from the final crime scene and couldn’t be heard by the killer, or the killer ignored the ringing, unconcerned. If the latter, how odd.

Israel Keyes..

 

[Don Frye]

Hard call on that one. I think she was recording because of what they were supposed to be seeing or promised what would be there.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Israel Keyes..

Not Isaiah...
:shame:

 

[minazoe]

bbm

I got the same impression, but would expand the definition of knew "them." Perhaps he has kids or interacts with kids like them on a daily basis, or he works with kids. Or, he's used to "directing" people. I know that's pretty broad and probably not all that helpful, but it's just a thought, a wild speculation on my part.

it's military, they are trained to take conquests, prisoners, and how to speak in a non escalating but directive tones.

 

[2Hope4]

There was shoe prints somewhere near that bridge, IIRC, there were searchers that went down the hill and started looking for the girls because they saw prints going that way. Now, whether those prints did belong to the killer and the girls, I don't know.

So frustrating, and yes LE were holding lots back. In fact, wasn't the show suppose to have been last week and it was held to today so editing could occur? I feel like LE has to watch it and approve the final showing to make sure nothing was released they didn't want released. Now if only those spectators in the audience could talk and say if anything was different. Wishful thinking.

With the photo, video, audio, and sketch, I didn't think we'd be here 10 months later, with an unsolved case. Maybe the perp is like Isreal Keyes and travels about. Maybe him not being local is one thing that alerted Libby that something was up? They said the man appeared to be following... so he must have came up behind them, but that still doesn't tell us anything. And I feel the COD is unique in some way. Maybe the way the bodies were left is specific. But to LE it's a big part of the case they will not release. I guess in the long run it wouldn't help us solve the case knowing how they were killed, or how their bodies were left. Do we wonder? Sure, but it's not something that give us a clue to who did this. JMO!

 

[minazoe]

drama, this could be very true, he could have day to day interactions with children...bus driver, custodian ect. Whatever he is, he probably knew they would be there or as hard as it may be to except, they might of had a prearranged meeting. Maybe he promised to show them something "cool" but they couldn't tell their parents or other family members.

yeah something cool under his coat, a puppy or something ..

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Hard call on that one. I think she was recording because of what they were supposed to be seeing or promised what would be there.

Hi, Don,

Discussion upstream a thread or so ago was about LE playing some more of the recording for the girls’ families that has not been released to the public or MSM. Reportedly it was mostly ‘what teenage girls talk about’, but it was also noted the girls mentioned a man who was following them, in an apparent reference to BG. At one of, if not the, first press conferences, LE stated Libby was a hero for having the presence of mind to activate the recording feature on her cell phone. Both references should be found in the media thread.
HTH.

 

[Beth11311]

Goodness this case. It brought me to WS and here we are 10 months later and I feel like we are so far away from an answer. This latest interview gave me pause though. Did it sound to anyone else like LE was suggesting that other people in DELPHI knew who the killer is or did I misunderstand? They kept saying people know who he is and I know that they could be referencing the nation and all the people in it as a whole but it almost seems they suspect others nearby know who it is, and aren’t sharing...I may have misunderstood.

Some of these details also make more certain for me that a SA most likely did not occur. The time-frame just seems so short and it would really explain the lack of SOLID DNA evidence. I bold solid because yes we know that there is DNA, no we still do not know if it’s the killers....this has never been made clear but the fact that they have multiple POIs that they can’t clear tells me that they do not have the DNA evidence they need...


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[katydid23]

yep I think most of us knew that DG came to pick them up and made calls from when it was briefly allowed to be discussed. Now it has been stated in MSM it is fact.
I don't really understand them still asking for tips. They have stated they have hundreds of POI's that they cannot rule out so why do they need more? Are they hoping for more tips on those POI's they already have or do they believe they don't yet have the right person? They did say they couldn't talk about any POI's so I am wondering why. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? To me it's almost as if they are waiting for a specific tip on a specific person to be called in - like they suspect who did it but still need that tip to seal it.

At the very end, the detective kind of spelled out what type of 'tip' they are wanting to hear.

He was saying that [ paraphrasing] someone was talking to this man last night, and knows him well, and that person needs to do the right thing and call it in.

So I think what they really need is for someones wife or brother , who has very strong suspicions, and has reason to believe in his guilt, to call in with specifics. Like here is a picture of him in that coat, here is info about him being in/near Delphi that day, etc etc...

 

[2Hope4]

Snap photo was at 2:07 and Dad was there at 3:14.

Many posts ago, someone walked and filmed the area and said how long it would take to get to where the bodies were found. Does anyone remember how long it took? That killer was acting fast and either still at the park when Dad arrived, or had already left the park. I'm thinking maybe he was still there.

Wonder if Dad stayed at the bridge, or wandered at all off the trail when he was looking? If he left the trails at what point? Wonder Dad heard Libby's phone ring? Maybe it was thrown in water at that point? Disabled as soon as the perp could get to it?

Don't mind me folks...just random thoughts popping in my head.

 

[Mamamerced]

"True fact: grieving parents learn to create their own little worlds."

I'm so sorry, Mtnlites, to learn of your loss and suffering. Your words were clear and calm but your story of how you dealt with your son's death were gut-wrenching to read. You are an eloquent spokesperson for that rarely mentioned club.

 

[katydid23]

Goodness this case. It brought me to WS and here we are 10 months later and I feel like we are so far away from an answer. This latest interview gave me pause though. Did it sound to anyone else like LE was suggesting that other people in DELPHI knew who the killer is or did I misunderstand? They kept saying people know who he is and I know that they could be referencing the nation and all the people in it as a whole but it almost seems they suspect others nearby know who it is, and aren’t sharing...I may have misunderstood.

Some of these details also make more certain for me that a SA most likely did not occur. The time-frame just seems so short and it would really explain the lack of SOLID DNA evidence. I bold solid because yes we know that there is DNA, no we still do not know if it’s the killers....this has never been made clear but the fact that they have multiple POIs that they can’t clear tells me that they do not have the DNA evidence they need...


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I think he was saying that someone who is close to this perp, KNOWS that he is a possible suspect. But they need to think of the girls, and of the grieving family, and give that suspect up, even if it is a loved one of theirs.

Usually it is the mother or wife or sibling, who have the most info and knowledge , but they stay in denial as long as possible because it is so hard to face.

 

[Don Frye]

RIP, I do remember hearing that and nothing should be taken away from these girls, but I truely believe they knew each other was going to be there. Did she start recording because she felt threatened, absolutely a possibility, but not initially.

 

[katydid23]

Snap photo was at 2:07 and Dad was there at 3:14.

Many posts ago, someone walked and filmed the area and said how long it would take to get to where the bodies were found. Does anyone remember how long it took? That killer was acting fast and either still at the park when Dad arrived, or had already left the park. I'm thinking maybe he was still there.

Wonder if Dad stayed at the bridge, or wandered at all off the trail when he was looking? If he left the trails at what point? Wonder Dad heard Libby's phone ring? Maybe it was thrown in water at that point? Disabled as soon as the perp could get to it?

Don't mind me folks...just random thoughts popping in my head.

I hear ya. Makes me wonder if Dad might have seen the BG leaving, and he might have been the witness for the poster.

 

[mtnlites]

Hard call on that one. I think she was recording because of what they were supposed to be seeing or promised what would be there.

Most of this information is up to interpretation. However, because many of us have speculated that she wasn't filming straight on, and while walking, it seems like she was trying to be inconspicuous in what she was doing.

Thanks for joining, by the way. It will help if you use "reply with quote" to a poster so that we're all clear on who you're replying to.