IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #76

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FindHG said:
[video=youtube;NgARJOTMHok]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgARJOTMHok[/video]

More segments available here: https://www.youtube.com/user/DrPhilShow/videos

Great to see this. It's just a matter of time, hopefully, not too long. My thoughts and prayers continue for these brave families will find who did this and justice. Glad Dr. Phil cares so much.

Thank you 2Hope4, Steleheart!, gregjrichards, and all for all your posts. I've followed the threads some, and the sketch brought such hope. Somebody knows this perp, that he is a creep. They maybe just haven't connected him to this crime yet. Maybe this person or the people around him are in denial and have the information that would break things open.

Reminds me of the delivery man who murdered Vanessa Marcotte. He knew the area, came in and out, wasn't from that far away, was thought to have been a creep by people who interacted with him. It was an aware cop that matched the sketch to him as he drove around, then his DNA, hair fibers, and more matched.

Speculation:
There's the video, the pictures from it, his voice and an eyewitness who saw him, who'll know him when he's caught. Maybe he grew a bigger beard, or shaved and cut his hair short, around that time.

From early on it seem speculatively reasonable he knew the school was closed and this is where he could hunt that day. He may have been aiming to abduct a single girl or even both, but the two of them together complicated his plan, delayed him, he was seen leaving.
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Thank you, posted in media thread.
 
Shiressleuth said:
Yes the "someone was talking to this man last night" comment. Weird. They don't think he's a deadbeat loner then, I thought that was strange. Does that also mean he could or couldn't be in custody? Do they watch Dr.Phil in jail and would DN have a cellmate?
The Denver link upthread states LE have not ruled DN out as a suspect. So who are LE appealing to? Why do they need more POI's or is this directed at people who have already called in or they want corroboration? Why is everything so cryptic from LE?
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I actually didn't think this was cryptic or that they were looking for more POIs. I think it's a pretty general, and common, thing to say: someone spoke to this man last night. Unless he is a hermit, someone knows him and talks to him. Maybe his parents, maybe a wife, maybe a neighbor, maybe a cellmate but SOMEONE knows him and that someone probably knows something. They're just asking for that person to step forward. I don't think they're looking at people who have already called in, nor do I think they're looking for "more" people to call in-they want ONE person to call in. The person who knows something that they haven't yet shared. They don't need 10,000 more tips; they need that last one tip that will provide them with the piece of the puzzle that they are missing. And, probably, the only person who has that missing piece is someone who knows BG.
 
Falling Down said:
I saw a FBi color sketch on the south side of Delphi during my trip last Summer. It was inside of a small business, and when I saw it the image stopped me dead in my tracks. The eyes are striking, in that image.
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Could we find a copy of that from somewhere perhaps? Why would LE not get that out everywhere? Really good point about the beard colour from BCA.
 
mtnlites said:
I actually didn't think this was cryptic or that they were looking for more POIs. I think it's a pretty general, and common, thing to say: someone spoke to this man last night. Unless he is a hermit, someone knows him and talks to him. Maybe his parents, maybe a wife, maybe a neighbor, maybe a cellmate but SOMEONE knows him and that someone probably knows something. They're just asking for that person to step forward. I don't think they're looking at people who have already called in, nor do I think they're looking for "more" people to call in-they want ONE person to call in. The person who knows something that they haven't yet shared. They don't need 10,000 more tips; they need that last one tip that will provide them with the piece of the puzzle that they are missing. And, probably, the only person who has that missing piece is someone who knows BG.
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So that one person is not someone they already know about or they would just interview that person. They wouldn't do a big show like this with a big wide audience if they knew who they were targeting. It's like a shot in the dark - random.
 
There are a few of you on here that are hitting this right on the head, not because it is my personal theory, but if we actually ignore each other's theories and listen to the audio and look at the video, it very clear these girls (in the beginning) felt semi-comfortable with this man and his voice almost shows a familiarity with the the girls, meaning he was familiar with them as if they have ment before or very possibly knew them.
It was pointed out in an earlier post that "it felt like they were directing these pleas towards a certain person". They are, they know who this person is, just not where. That's why I believe this man had past ties with the community in some way. I have a strong feeling that this man had previous knowledge of this family via a family friend or a relative ect. I strongly believe atleast one of the girls had mentioned a previous encounter with this man to an adult possibly even a parent, but was more than likely brushed off because this man was "kinda" known to them. Yes that sounds absolutely ridiculous, but if he was known as a shirt tail relative to one of the locals or just a seemingly nice guy people have bumped into on occasion in town, the girl saying she seen him in the trails probably wouldn't of raised any concerns with the parents. A huge statement was made in a post here, that the Father could be the positive identifier of the man..Bingo!. I could see the the shame and embarrassment in his face aswel as the Police Officer, they brushed shoulders with him on the trail system.
It is no fault of the Father, he was in "find mode" and everything else just didn't matter a that time.
 
I wonder if maybe, in the beginning, when they released the picture of BG on the bridge if they shouldn't have called him a "witness" instead of insinuating that he was the perp. Sometimes people who know the person talk themselves out of calling in a tip because they are just CERTAIN that the person didn't commit the crime. "Well, that picture looks just like my neighbor Larry, and Larry WAS burrying something in the backyard that day, but he's a swell guy. He couldn't have done it! Must just look like him..."

That actually happens a lot.

Sometimes they'll release a sketch, picture of a vehicle, or a person's image and say that they "might have information about the crime" and LE needs to speak to them. Implying that they're a witness, not the suspect. It will sometimes make the family/friends/co-workers/neighbors more likely to call it in. "Oh, hey, that looks just like Larry! Well, if he knows something about that murder then he might be able to help! I'd better call that in..."
 
mtnlites said:
I wonder if maybe, in the beginning, when they released the picture of BG on the bridge if they shouldn't have called him a "witness" instead of insinuating that he was the perp. Sometimes people who know the person talk themselves out of calling in a tip because they are just CERTAIN that the person didn't commit the crime. "Well, that picture looks just like my neighbor Larry, and Larry WAS burrying something in the backyard that day, but he's a swell guy. He couldn't have done it! Must just look like him..."

That actually happens a lot.

Sometimes they'll release a sketch, picture of a vehicle, or a person's image and say that they "might have information about the crime" and LE needs to speak to them. Implying that they're a witness, not the suspect. It will sometimes make the family/friends/co-workers/neighbors more likely to call it in. "Oh, hey, that looks just like Larry! Well, if he knows something about that murder then he might be able to help! I'd better call that in..."
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I agree with everything you said 100%. It could have been the Uncle staying with "Larry" or the hired hand that "Farmer Brown" hired on and only gets to town when needed ect....
 
I watched the show but may have missed a few minutes. I don't recall seeing these mentioned at all can anyone confirm 1. Any reference at all to DNA. 2. The reward offered. 3. The country wide net originally cast via all those billboards. Thanks


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mtnlites said:
I wonder if maybe, in the beginning, when they released the picture of BG on the bridge if they shouldn't have called him a "witness" instead of insinuating that he was the perp. Sometimes people who know the person talk themselves out of calling in a tip because they are just CERTAIN that the person didn't commit the crime. "Well, that picture looks just like my neighbor Larry, and Larry WAS burrying something in the backyard that day, but he's a swell guy. He couldn't have done it! Must just look like him..."

That actually happens a lot.

Sometimes they'll release a sketch, picture of a vehicle, or a person's image and say that they "might have information about the crime" and LE needs to speak to them. Implying that they're a witness, not the suspect. It will sometimes make the family/friends/co-workers/neighbors more likely to call it in. "Oh, hey, that looks just like Larry! Well, if he knows something about that murder then he might be able to help! I'd better call that in..."
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Hi, mtnlites,

I thought they did do this! At the very beginning they said the photo was of a man on the trails taken by a trail cam and he may have information about the crime. Within the week (matter of days) they changed him to a POI and revealed the image came from Libby’s cell phone.

Thank you for sharing your heartbreaking experience with us. I know it isn’t easy talking about a loved one lost either suddenly or tragically, but your words have given another perspective to the readers of this thread.
 
RIP Meagan + Johnny said:
Hi, mtnlites,

I thought they did do this! At the very beginning they said the photo was of a man on the trails taken by a trail cam and he may have information about the crime. Within the week (matter of days) they changed him to a POI and revealed the image came from Libby’s cell phone.

Thank you for sharing your heartbreaking experience with us. I know it isn’t easy talking about a loved one lost either suddenly or tragically, but your words have given another perspective to the readers of this thread.
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That's true. They did wait a little while before saying he was a suspect because, on here, there were some questions about whether or not he was the perp. It just feels like we've known the image was the suspect since the beginning! :-)
 
RIP Meagan + Johnny said:
Hi, mtnlites,

I thought they did do this! At the very beginning they said the photo was of a man on the trails taken by a trail cam and he may have information about the crime. Within the week (matter of days) they changed him to a POI and revealed the image came from Libby’s cell phone.

Thank you for sharing your heartbreaking experience with us. I know it isn’t easy talking about a loved one lost either suddenly or tragically, but your words have given another perspective to the readers of this thread.
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No trail cams at all near the bridge.
 
her said:
No trail cams at all near the bridge.
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Are there Trail-Cams in place now if anyone knows? I'm not taking anything away from LE, but if they don't have some kind surveillance in place, they are way over confident or know they no longer need it which would mean what?
 
Don Frye said:
There are a few of you on here that are hitting this right on the head, not because it is my personal theory, but if we actually ignore each other's theories and listen to the audio and look at the video, it very clear these girls (in the beginning) felt semi-comfortable with this man and his voice almost shows a familiarity with the the girls, meaning he was familiar with them as if they have ment before or very possibly knew them.
It was pointed out in an earlier post that "it felt like they were directing these pleas towards a certain person". They are, they know who this person is, just not where. That's why I believe this man had past ties with the community in some way. I have a strong feeling that this man had previous knowledge of this family via a family friend or a relative ect. I strongly believe atleast one of the girls had mentioned a previous encounter with this man to an adult possibly even a parent, but was more than likely brushed off because this man was "kinda" known to them. Yes that sounds absolutely ridiculous, but if he was known as a shirt tail relative to one of the locals or just a seemingly nice guy people have bumped into on occasion in town, the girl saying she seen him in the trails probably wouldn't of raised any concerns with the parents. A huge statement was made in a post here, that the Father could be the positive identifier of the man..Bingo!. I could see the the shame and embarrassment in his face aswel as the Police Officer, they brushed shoulders with him on the trail system.
It is no fault of the Father, he was in "find mode" and everything else just didn't matter a that time.
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Do you think the killer helped in the search(es) for the girls?
 
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