IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #79

[ocgrad]

A subpoena duces tecum was filed three months ago on Oct 5, 2017. No name, no specifics. For all we know it was just another investigative avenue that later proved a dud in the search for a key suspect. Or am I missing something.......because how did this come to be connected to DN or KNs phone records?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...iberty-German-14-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-75/page61

I remember the subpoena but not the details. I looked through the thread but didn't find it. Do you have a link for it or the post #?

 

[MistyWaters]

I remember the subpoena but not the details. I looked through the thread but didn't find it. Do you have a link for it or the post #?

My apologies, I forget that not everyone's page settings are equal. Thread 75, Post #904

 

[sumzero]

Aside from attempting to fit every piece of information directly to implicate DN or KN, reading this it appears to me the investigation is focusing on information collected from cell towers, then determining persons connected to the cellphone pings or usage. Once the identity is determined, then using cellphone information to validate alibis. If that's so, I'm very impressed at the energy invested into the deaths of Libby and Abby as back-tracking in that manner obviously requires an incredible amount of painstaking and detailed effort.

BBM

"........One thing they’ve been doing is conducting additional follow-up on information provided by working with technology, mainly from cell phones.

“Some investigators continue to dig deeper into backtracking what certain people were doing on February 13,” he said, of the information captured from cell phones in the area that day....."
http://www.newsbug.info/monticello_...cle_b323b47e-f01c-11e7-9eb8-6b73cc09415a.html

You’re right. Though we have not learned much, we did get this brief glimpse into the investigation. Seems to me they’ve run out of solid leads, so they’re resorting to some real painstaking labor to (hopefully) turn something up.

 

[carbuff]

It is an incredibly tight timeline. But if he fled west across the wildlife preserve from the trail intersection where he was seen then it is possible to have committed the crime and have gotten away IMO.

I wonder if he might be somebody who masqueraded as someone who could plausibly be at the scene. Like pretending to put flowers on a grave in the little cemetery, or acting like he was repairing something? I really don't have anything specific in mind, just a niggling at the back of my mind...

 

[BoggLed in Ohio]

As always thank you, I can't discuss it here but I really think the Geo caching aspect should be considered . I am finding WS quite stuffy for any ideas that that may not be presented in the MSM or LE. Its a shame because there are a lot of clever, educated, people who have alternative ideas and can agree to disagree quite amicably without naming people, posting pictures side by side and without accusing innocent people, Meanwhile we are allowed to micro Sleuth someone in custody that is not accused.

I don't get it

IMPO
KR
Reacher

Great post and I echo your sentiments as well. BTW did anyone else notice the newer articles released always say that Bridge Guys eye color is UNKNOWN? I'm glad they are finally keeping the eye color open now, but afraid they already did the damage by ever mentioning that presumably an eyewitness thought they were '"not blue " (yet didn't know what color they are ) I have never agreed with them saying "not blue". Witness recall is so very unreliable ! Also , many people have eyes that change color depending on what clothes they wear, lighting, background color and contrast etc . I hope the community demands a press conference and have LE update and clarify more things and release more info/pics/vid/audio. It's long overdue!

 

[ocgrad]

I think the issue with phone records will be that they most likely used prepaid phones. Because who are we kidding...they didn't sign a contract with a carrier. Therefore, say you owned phone A at the time of the murders. Well, 10 months has passed, and you no longer have that phone. Prepaid phones are a dime a dozen and free with 1-3 months prepaid service usually. So as far as LE is concerned, DN and KN will never disclose the old phone numbers or prepaid lines they had. Those are long gone, and totally un-traceable unless LE has some inkling of the names of the accounts and which carriers they went through at Walmart or wherever their ridiculous phones came from.

I could go buy a prepaid phone today, use the name Sam Smith, then throw it away when I'm done with it or stop paying the bill (which judging by the Nations list of civil cases is the most likely scenario). When that happens, if LE came to question me about a crime that I was implicated in, I'm never going to tell them about my Sam Smith phone. And they'll never know, unless they subpoena every carrier out there and search for my name or addresses. Assuming I used my real name, which I wouldn't if I were of the Nations lifestyle and running from 10000 court cases. Again, who are we kidding...there are so many prepaid carriers. There are a million names and addresses they could have used. There are a million reasons why the carriers don't have to send those records with such a broad sweep. You have to have more than this to get a subpoena.

So it's just another "cannot include or exclude."

When Missy Bevers was murdered they also had a fairly close timeline so they were able to get a tower dump, it was the first thing they did, so they could go through all the numbers using the tower. Some they would be able to identify and some of those would be prepaid phones that would take more effort. I read of a case where they got tower dumps from multiple towers in a string of robberies, I think in Denver, and were able to isolate the numbers those towers all had in common to zero in on the suspect.
In some cases with prepaid phones they can track to where they were purchased and view surveillance video. But in many cases prepaid phones are purchased on Craigslist or at flea markets. Still maybe they can use it to help the case, like a number from a tower near the Morgan county sheriff office that matches one off a Delphi tower could help their case. Its not a conclusive analysis, but part of the tedious work they have to grind through. And people are not always smart, most leave a trail for good LE to follow.

 

[kkdj]

Great post and I echo your sentiments as well. BTW did anyone else notice the newer articles released always say that Bridge Guys eye color is UNKNOWN? I'm glad they are finally keeping the eye color open now, but afraid they already did the damage by ever mentioning that presumably an eyewitness thought they were '"not blue " (yet didn't know what color they are ) I have never agreed with them saying "not blue". Witness recall is so very unreliable ! Also , many people have eyes that change color depending on what clothes they wear, lighting, background color and contrast etc . I hope the community demands a press conference and have LE update and clarify more things and release more info/pics/vid/audio. It's long overdue!

Do you have a link please? The other articles I've read have said eye color unknown, but not blue.
Also, you are correct that some eyes change in color with external surroundings. My eyes are green, but if I wear certain colors, they look kind of blueish. So, today one could say my eye's aren't blue. So, unless they know something we don't, I would think they would have said his eyes aren't light colored. This has always confused me with their description.

 

[NJcares]

Cell towers in that region are fairly sparse:

http://m.cellreception.com/towers/t...e=1&filter_verizon=1&city=delphi&state_abr=in


Was just reading about how having only 2 towers really broadens the searchable area whereas having more helps to pinpoint location.


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[kkdj]

Just thinking about some of the things that have struck me as suspicious about the blue jacket on BG. KN says DN never owned a jacket like that. Has she? They don't look very different in size and could share items of clothing probably, such as a jacket or hats, etc.
I know people that create a distortion of the truth. It's crazy making. But people do it to throw others off. There's actually been many things she has said that made me go mmmmmm......
Sometimes just the smallest thing can get a hinky meter going!

 

[Steleheart]

As always thank you, I can't discuss it here but I really think the Geo caching aspect should be considered . I am finding WS quite stuffy for any ideas that that may not be presented in the MSM or LE. Its a shame because there are a lot of clever, educated, people who have alternative ideas and can agree to disagree quite amicably without naming people, posting pictures side by side and without accusing innocent people, Meanwhile we are allowed to micro Sleuth someone in custody that is not accused.

I don't get it

IMPO
KR
Reacher

I know. Stuck there grasping for topics to discuss besides DN. It's a shame that the GC topic was quashed because there are aspects of it that may be important but, as I posted upthread, it was abused by sleuthing people not involved. I remember the Mod saying it was a shame as well.
It would not hurt for you to ask a Mod if it could be allowed, especially if you have some ideas about how useful it is.

JMO

 

[ezrah]

New to WS but have been following this case and appreciate reading the thoughtful discussion on this forum. Can someone tell me where I can locate the “do not sleuth list” mentioned? I looked around in this thread and in the TOS for info on these guidelines but could not locate. Thank you.

Sorry for the confusion. That was more rhetorical for the geocaching subject. In addition to TOS not to sleuth friends, family of victims etc mods will alert on the forum if we should not sleuth other subjects that are brought up. They have good reasons for doing this. HTH


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[gregjrichards]

I’m glad the case is even being covered by Radar Online the more places the better https://radaronline.com/photos/indi...berty-german-snapchat-video-killer-no-arrest/

 

[Steleheart]

I’m glad the case is even being covered by Radar Online the more places the better https://radaronline.com/photos/indi...berty-german-snapchat-video-killer-no-arrest/

Not a fan of Radar. I agree that coverage is good but their click bait type headlines are never accurate. It hasn't been a year yet but more importantly they call it a cold case even though;;
Case of Delphi teen murders has not gone cold, sheriff says

It's not cold and people need to know that especially.

JMO

 

[sleuther0192837465]

There are outlets that report misinformation about the girls’ case. It’s so frustrating & just wish it would stop MOO

 

[cluciano63]

This makes me sick! This article is horribly wrong!! [emoji35] HOW does anyone stop this from happening?!
https://www.therichest.com/world-en...ore-something-horrible-happened/10/?view=list



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Which is why non-MSM is not allowed here...

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Which is why non-MSM is not allowed here...

Edited my post.


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[St. Anthony2017]

does it really take ten months to get phone records... I know someone here said it takes FOREVER..something is wrong with this when it involves a double murder of children...I want everything right now. ..somewhere there is a clue..maybe it's in the phone records.

which phone records though..DN's ? did he have a phone? KN's phone? it will show where they were for sure, compared to where they said they were...there can be a lot of information gleaned..A LOT ! how about the girls? these they have..the phones were pinging around, which is weird..

someone though explained how this could be possible if they were in an area that had several towers etc ( If I remember correctly)

if you were to find out that KN's phone pinged in Delphi on the 13th of feb. would this change your mind? if she received a call from the area ? would this change your opinion?

what if her phone pinged the next town over?

just curious. MOO

This may help LE disprove some of the alibis. They already said they have some that do not match up

 

[gregjrichards]

Not a fan of Radar. I agree that coverage is good but their click bait type headlines are never accurate. It hasn't been a year yet but more importantly they call it a cold case even though;;
Case of Delphi teen murders has not gone cold, sheriff says

It's not cold and people need to know that especially.

JMO

I’m not a fan either I’m just glad people might read about the case that didn’t know about it before.

How do you all think law enforcement will handle the one year anniversary? Do you think they will hold another press conference or do an interview to appeal once again for information?

 

[Steleheart]

I’m not a fan either I’m just glad people might read about the case that didn’t know about it before.

How do you all think law enforcement will handle the one year anniversary? Do you think they will hold another press conference or do an interview to appeal once again for information?

I would love to see a PC by all of LE. An update of specific info on RL and DN, etc.

 

[Whirring]

How do you all think law enforcement will handle the one year anniversary? Do you think they will hold another press conference or do an interview to appeal once again for information?

Surely they have to? They need a big push on this, particularly emphasising areas they are lacking info on. I would think they would release a bit more information, to keep the momentum and also to ensure front pages. The anniversary will be heartbreaking, but it is also an opportunity to maybe do a reconstruction of the girls on the bridge perhaps (if they're still looking for witnesses from that day) and to push the photos, voice and picture of the BG.

I would think something new from the police would really help. Someone knows who this monster is and the police and media need to do everything they can to encourage people to look at their consciences.

One last thing. I've read a lot on this but am uncertain whether the police have ever described the BG as being someone who could commit a similar crime again? This is important as it is something like this that can make people contact the police due to concerns about a loved one or friend.