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I don't see any lettering. Can you make a close up?
IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #27
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I don't see any lettering. Can you make a close up?
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Disappearance of Louisiana college student Michaela "Mickey" Shunick eerily similar to Lauren Spierer case
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-spierer-case-article-1.1085903#ixzz1wH5kZruf
When I saw this, I immediately thought they should add Holly's picture as well...
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-spierer-case-article-1.1085903#ixzz1wH5kZruf
When I saw this, I immediately thought they should add Holly's picture as well...
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It IS eerie, especially at first glance. Can you link or insert Holly's pic? TY!
I know ... it's tough to want to help but keep going in circles. The new white truck stuff makes me a little crazy. I never put much energy into it because LE supposedly cleared it, though I know other posters have. But if LE is now interested in a LA case that involves a white truck and a missing girl who looks like LS ... I really don't know what to think or do.
I've been following another case in CA (Sierra Lamarr) in which a suspect was just arrested. SL disappeared in mid March. The key to breaking that case was a red VW Jetta, leading me to desperately want a vehicle to tie to this case. It's strange how LS could vanish w/o someone seeing a vehicle coming or going. I'm beginning to think she was stashed somewhere and moved later. Unless the white truck is actually involved ...
I'm sure we're so frustrated because we've come so invested. On Mother's Day, my daughter showed me her new Hello Kitty shorts and I actually got sad. It's hard to not think of what the Spierers are feeling.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/mickey-shu...g-similarities/story?id=16449634#.T8UNXlKD842
If police have ruled out the white truck in Lauren's case, it seems misleading for all of these articles to be mentioning it. From the sound of things, white trucks aren't exactly an oddity in either town.
Though I agree, keylime, having a vehicle to link to the case would offer some hope for answers.
Again I repeat myself but this case really needs a solid reporter working on it and a thorough resetting and restating of the facts to this point. I'm sure there are things the police do not want to answer and that is fine. Just get the question on record and the police's response then do some investigative reporting and try and answer those questions other ways or with off the record confirmations. But besides that, the police are certainly already on record about certain issues and topics, except for whatever reason they weren't clear, or initial reporting was sloppy, so those things need cleared up. Also, those inaccuracies and reports have led to questions upon further review that apparently never got asked/answered.
Was the white truck the only vehicle on the street in that window of time? Otherwise, why did no other vehicles appear to be circling due to the timestamp discrepancy that caused them to initially believe the truck was circling? If there are other vehicles were they cleared without needing the public's help (apparently?)? Are they comfortable it is one truck only that they are seeing?
Was the mystery man report discredited (if it has been) because a camera should've shown what was reported by the bar employee, or was there simply no camera to confirm it? The police 'answered' this originally with one of the most garbled answers known to man that 'answered' nothing. This is something they should be willing to clear up since they are already on the record about it. If the answer is still garbled ask them to answer in a yes or no fashion for clarity. If they won't, report that as well. Get it on record that apparently they want that answer vague.
Are there any other witnesses that can be found that would throw a monkey wrench into the existing timeline?
For LS' alleged route home where were cameras that would've/should've seen her? Were all checked? Were all working? What if she would've decided to go another direction (boyfriend's, friends, downtown, alternate route, whatever) where would she have been in camera range and where would she have been out of the camera's eye? This is another area where the reporter will probably need to knock on several doors and not expect the police to fully cooperate. And truthfully, it should be confirmed what LE would be saying is true with the owners of the cameras (were they really checked in a timely fashion... and all checked?).
Were any area dumpsters emptied before they were checked (and which ones were they)? Were any not sent to the TH landfill?
What was the confrontation about at Smallwood and who was involved? (and depending on the answers to this it could lead to several other questions).
At what point did the boyfriend learn of any of the happenings of that night including LS's whereabouts at any point in the night and of course the altercation?
What led the boyfriend (and any others) to become concerned that she was in peril and not just staying at a friend's place? Revisit that timeframe and try and find out what and when things were learned to raise this from looking for her, to slight concern to calling police and family. (Note: I'd think learning she'd left her phone at the bar would actually be a relief because it would explain her not returning calls/texts...)
When did LE actually make this a priority as a missing person investigation and thus when were certain bases covered more thoroughly and what window of time existed for things like the dumpsters to be emptied before being checked, cars to leave and return, etc..
What was condition of LS in the videos that she appears? Who is with her in videos? Again, another place that LE will likely decline to answer at all but at least ask the questions and also try and find the answers through other sources. Try and get off the record confirmations or denials of info that has been reported in the past to strengthen or weaken those reports.
Who, if anyone, has actually refused to cooperate at all with LE (and/or parents) and what level of cooperation have they received (fully interviewed, prepared statements, LD test, DNA tests, etc.)?
While LE probably won't answer the question it should be asked at least if they've narrowed the list of PsOI or if it's still the same. If someone has been cleared to the point they feel comfortable stating it then it could change the public perception of the case. Let alone cause new info to flow in if knowing the police have cleared someone would then mean someone in the public could have new concerns about someone they are associated with (that they dismissed because they assumed one of the media associated PsOI was likely guilty and the new info would change that).
Try and separate fact from fiction in some of the speculation and misinformation that exists on the forums and in the community. Acknowledge it's existence and then assign the proper weight (or lack of weight) to it.
Homeless man claiming to hear scream... fact or fiction?
Who had cars, what cars were checked, and what is the status of the alleged houseguest?
Phone pinging in Martinsville- Fact or fiction? Is it technically possible the ping (if it exists) was because of weather related issues causing the signal to travel that far? What time was it? This is probably one of those areas that the only info that would be gleaned would be about technical possibilities and probabilities with little chance of getting even an off the record confirmation of the actual existence of the ping. But still, it would be nice to see the questions about it asked and responses noted.
IMHO if they really would like to increase the likelihood of viable tips then they (LE, Parents, PI's) really need to make sure there's an accurate and updated narrative in the public's view. You never know what piece of information from that would cause someone to look at a friend, classmate, co-worker differently if they were to discover something new and accurate about the case. It might trigger a suspicion or a rethought of something that person said or did.
Was the white truck the only vehicle on the street in that window of time? Otherwise, why did no other vehicles appear to be circling due to the timestamp discrepancy that caused them to initially believe the truck was circling? If there are other vehicles were they cleared without needing the public's help (apparently?)? Are they comfortable it is one truck only that they are seeing?
Was the mystery man report discredited (if it has been) because a camera should've shown what was reported by the bar employee, or was there simply no camera to confirm it? The police 'answered' this originally with one of the most garbled answers known to man that 'answered' nothing. This is something they should be willing to clear up since they are already on the record about it. If the answer is still garbled ask them to answer in a yes or no fashion for clarity. If they won't, report that as well. Get it on record that apparently they want that answer vague.
Are there any other witnesses that can be found that would throw a monkey wrench into the existing timeline?
For LS' alleged route home where were cameras that would've/should've seen her? Were all checked? Were all working? What if she would've decided to go another direction (boyfriend's, friends, downtown, alternate route, whatever) where would she have been in camera range and where would she have been out of the camera's eye? This is another area where the reporter will probably need to knock on several doors and not expect the police to fully cooperate. And truthfully, it should be confirmed what LE would be saying is true with the owners of the cameras (were they really checked in a timely fashion... and all checked?).
Were any area dumpsters emptied before they were checked (and which ones were they)? Were any not sent to the TH landfill?
What was the confrontation about at Smallwood and who was involved? (and depending on the answers to this it could lead to several other questions).
At what point did the boyfriend learn of any of the happenings of that night including LS's whereabouts at any point in the night and of course the altercation?
What led the boyfriend (and any others) to become concerned that she was in peril and not just staying at a friend's place? Revisit that timeframe and try and find out what and when things were learned to raise this from looking for her, to slight concern to calling police and family. (Note: I'd think learning she'd left her phone at the bar would actually be a relief because it would explain her not returning calls/texts...)
When did LE actually make this a priority as a missing person investigation and thus when were certain bases covered more thoroughly and what window of time existed for things like the dumpsters to be emptied before being checked, cars to leave and return, etc..
What was condition of LS in the videos that she appears? Who is with her in videos? Again, another place that LE will likely decline to answer at all but at least ask the questions and also try and find the answers through other sources. Try and get off the record confirmations or denials of info that has been reported in the past to strengthen or weaken those reports.
Who, if anyone, has actually refused to cooperate at all with LE (and/or parents) and what level of cooperation have they received (fully interviewed, prepared statements, LD test, DNA tests, etc.)?
While LE probably won't answer the question it should be asked at least if they've narrowed the list of PsOI or if it's still the same. If someone has been cleared to the point they feel comfortable stating it then it could change the public perception of the case. Let alone cause new info to flow in if knowing the police have cleared someone would then mean someone in the public could have new concerns about someone they are associated with (that they dismissed because they assumed one of the media associated PsOI was likely guilty and the new info would change that).
Try and separate fact from fiction in some of the speculation and misinformation that exists on the forums and in the community. Acknowledge it's existence and then assign the proper weight (or lack of weight) to it.
Homeless man claiming to hear scream... fact or fiction?
Who had cars, what cars were checked, and what is the status of the alleged houseguest?
Phone pinging in Martinsville- Fact or fiction? Is it technically possible the ping (if it exists) was because of weather related issues causing the signal to travel that far? What time was it? This is probably one of those areas that the only info that would be gleaned would be about technical possibilities and probabilities with little chance of getting even an off the record confirmation of the actual existence of the ping. But still, it would be nice to see the questions about it asked and responses noted.
IMHO if they really would like to increase the likelihood of viable tips then they (LE, Parents, PI's) really need to make sure there's an accurate and updated narrative in the public's view. You never know what piece of information from that would cause someone to look at a friend, classmate, co-worker differently if they were to discover something new and accurate about the case. It might trigger a suspicion or a rethought of something that person said or did.
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You make an observation that is one of the more interesting things to be noticed in a while. Early on there was some discussion about CR and roommate asking around if people had Seen LS. It was definitely suspicious that he would be up so early after such an intense case of partying and punch-in-the-face Amnesia. After a night like that, most people have trouble getting out of bed, much less out of the house looking for someone.
LS's parents do not seem very duped to me. I just read an article dated last month and LS's dad seemed to have reached the same conclusions that many on this board reached a long time ago, and they have the benefit of PI's, and communicate with LE. He said "CR is a Liar and a Coward". He also said that JR was not telling the whole story. In that article LS's Dad also mentions that JR had showed up to Kilroy's while CR and LS where there for their roughly 1 hr brief interlude there where LS' phone and shoes got left behind. I had not heard that before and found it quite interesting. Why would JR show up there? Yet they all did not leave together.
And then later she supposedly is back at his place?
I never believed JR's line about her leaving at 4:30 and rounding the corner.
Still strongly intuit that what happened to her, happened very shortly after she passed through that alley and the last time she was seen on video, and lost her keys and small purse. LS's Dad doesn't buy the Amnesia story and neither do I. CR was right there with her the last time it can be proven that anyone else was with her. But he won't talk... He knows more.
He may know everything, or enough. JR covered with the 4:15 call and 4:30 story. CR and JR know what was going on and who was involved because of this cross connection.
Personally it's still my feeling that whatever happened to her (and I do think she is dead, but don't entirely rule out other possibilities, just think they are highly unlikely) involved drugs. There seems to be little question that she took drugs and was at the very least drunk. What we don't know was really what did she take that night, voluntarily, involuntarily or a combination. To me there is a strong possiblity that she OD'd or died accidently by a fall, siezure, cardiac arrest due to combination of stuff. Something more sinister could have happened, but if it did, I feel it happened in that 3:00 to 3:30 time span.
I think that by 4:30 am whatever happened had already been cleaned up.
At the very least CR and JR both know a lot more about what happened. So there is a conspiracy going. It's more about WHAT they are covering up and what they are afraid of.
Whether she took drugs voluntarily or involuntarily, whether she got them from CR, JR, her own cabinet or elsewhere, by the time of exiting Kilroy's was way out of it. Exiting her elevator on the way to CR's she's observed having trouble exiting the elevator[according to same article]. By the time she's coming out of the alley her keys and purse just slip right out of her hand without noticing?
That seems to me like she was pretty much unconscious, could easily have passed out right after that. I wonder just where is JR and DR at this point(3AM)? Who is there? Because within minutes someone comes by and picks up her keys/purse and puts it on a short wall. But he notices no people around! Is she in someone's car? In someone's place or is someone carrying her off at light speed? CR's room mate says she was there, helped him put CR to bed and left.. that sounded fishy every time I heard it too. They put CR to bed... when she was likely even more messed up than CR at this point! Not buying it.
Then she wants to go to JR's for more partying? I don't think so. She didn't know what she was doing any more and this seems like a story pointed at painting her into being a wild girl. Why paint that picture?
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2 things:
1) If they think she died about 3:30 perhaps they had an idea of how she died? I mean, why would you think someone was dead if you didn't know how they would have died.
2) It's not that they got lawyers, it's that they immediately got lawyers.
This along with many other small details points to them knowing something.
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I think LE is probably interested in the circumstances, i.e. time of day, young woman alone, there and then gone, more than the white truck. I mean, come on, white trucks are literally everywhere. JMO
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The parents probably hired lawyers immediately because they want to protect their kids in a situation where they will likely be under suspicion for committing a serious crime, and they have the money to pay for it...I would have been more shocked if they hadn't all got lawyers right away.
On another note - the white trucks really creep me out. I really wonder if there is something to that but I don't have a theory off the top of my head to piece it together.
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OldSteve, this has happened to me once before. More than anything, I was venting, but still...it's the only case I follow so I'm more apt to freak out a little I guess. [Insert pic of smilie pulling her hair ]
Many of you (shout out to 'OldSteve' too) have been collaborating and posting here regularly for the past year. Thank you for sharing your time and energy, it's very admirable. I have been following developments in the Mickey Shunick disappearance over the past week, which caused me to revisit some questions regarding LS' case. I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts and/or insight to a few questions that I can't seem to resolve:
- CR has appeared to be called out repeatedly. Even if CR hasn't been truthful about his memory loss, JR admits to seeing LS leave his place after her visit to CR's apt. Wouldn't that let CR off the hook and put all the focus on JR?
- Wasn't CR's roommate, MB working on several assignments and seemingly sober that night? If so, wouldn't his statement that he put CR to bed and LS went to JR's be even more credible?
- I can accept that the young men with her lawyer'd up, but why wouldn't JR react the way Mickey's friend BW did (allowing LE to search his laptop, house, cell phone, car )? In many situations, doesn't a lawyer allow or encourage a client to share information and details assuming they were completely innocent (of illegal activity)?
Thanks again for your thoughts.
- CR has appeared to be called out repeatedly. Even if CR hasn't been truthful about his memory loss, JR admits to seeing LS leave his place after her visit to CR's apt. Wouldn't that let CR off the hook and put all the focus on JR?
- Wasn't CR's roommate, MB working on several assignments and seemingly sober that night? If so, wouldn't his statement that he put CR to bed and LS went to JR's be even more credible?
- I can accept that the young men with her lawyer'd up, but why wouldn't JR react the way Mickey's friend BW did (allowing LE to search his laptop, house, cell phone, car )? In many situations, doesn't a lawyer allow or encourage a client to share information and details assuming they were completely innocent (of illegal activity)?
Thanks again for your thoughts.
I don't think the (new) white truck is of any significance, and is merely a coincidence. Police have been very hesitant to rule out anything or person in this case, but the white truck was the most blunt they have ever been in the total and complete ruling out of anything.
Was wondering if police had checked for any students who had transferred from IN to Lafayette LA since Lauren Spierer was abducted? Any students with a white truck would be even more helpful. Serial killers move around to find their prey.
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New article in Journal news.Gives some new info and a different perspective on what 3A.M. witness saw.http://www.lohud.com/flash/spierer/
Nice. There seems to be several points mentioned here that are coming out for the first time. 2 phone calls placed at 415, more detail on the journey from Smallwood to 5 North via 10th and College, JR watching her leave specifically from his 2nd floor balcony, a lot more insight in to her state as she was walking and other possible injuries she may have suffered. Gonna need several listens of this to soak it all in.
OMG.
I'm only partway through the first video, but I can't help posting:
* It made me so sad to hear the state that Lauren was in when she left Smallwood.
* Re. Corey Rossman: WTF. Who does that??! And he was the person who flung Lauren over his shoulder? I always envisioned exactly this when I thought about the keys in the parking lot.
* my ambivalence about whether the POI's were responsible is quickly fading. I'll watch the rest before I say anything more...
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