GUILTY IN - Ryan Martin, 29, murdered in suspect Talmadge Jasper's home, Lafayette, 23 May 2019

[Boxer]

@Steph8angels I would think TJ lawyer would be able to to get the evidence even if it is sealed. I'm not sure how that works I always thought state had to provide that. I could be wrong. I would have to disagree on people not judging on the unknown. It seems like everyone has him already found guilty already. We don't know all the facts like was there other people there? Was there a fight between them? Maybe some kind of deal gone bad. I dont follow or comment on to many things like this. It's hard to keep an open mind. Moo people and I'm not saying I haven't been guilty in the past to go by what we hear on the news. But I always try to remember that the news only wants to boost their ratings and try to make us believe what they want us to. No matter what it's sad for both families. My heart breaks for everyone involved.

TJ's attorney Manahan will get to see all the evidence the state has in a process called discovery.
The murder details are not known other than RM having multiple head wounds and being strangled.
What is known is that he lied to police about RM leaving, while RM was lying dead in his apartment.

 

[Purduegirl12]

TJ's attorney Manahan will get to see all the evidence the state has in a process called discovery.
The murder details are not known other than RM having multiple head wounds and being strangled.
What is known is that he lied to police about RM leaving, while RM was lying dead in his apartment.

@Boxer did you happen to see anything before they sealed the case? I thought I read were others were able were able to see certain things. I'm just wondering because maybe there is more details and we just don't have those. I will be curious to see if it goes to trial if they will have it in Tippecanoe County or if they will have a change of venue. I'm not sure how that works or if that is even possible. I think they only do that if you do a jury trial and it's hard to get jury because the case is so well known.

 

[Steph8angels]

@Steph8angels I would think TJ lawyer would be able to to get the evidence even if it is sealed. I'm not sure how that works I always thought state had to provide that. I could be wrong. I would have to disagree on people not judging on the unknown. It seems like everyone has him already found guilty already. We don't know all the facts like was there other people there? Was there a fight between them? Maybe some kind of deal gone bad. I dont follow or comment on to many things like this. It's hard to keep an open mind. Moo people and I'm not saying I haven't been guilty in the past to go by what we hear on the news. But I always try to remember that the news only wants to boost their ratings and try to make us believe what they want us to. No matter what it's sad for both families. My heart breaks for everyone involved.

In your opinion

Are you thinking TJ is covering for someone? He had possible help?
The Jury will hear from both sides.
Until then we wait.

MOO I have not found evidence of any defensive wounds on TJ as of yet.
But head wounds and strangulation COD for RM.
Possible fight MOO no maybe a sneak attack from behind. TJ surprised RM taking his life. ( maybe wrong)
If self defense why would TJ hide RM's body and not call L.E. to report 911.
No drug charges have ever been linked (seen) to the search warrant at TJ's.

Note I have not viewed SW. Just saying
No drugs as to this day has been mentioned on that tragic morning.
Yes this case is twisted and sad.
I believe the truth and justice will prevail in this case.
Will we like it? No maybe not.

 

[Purduegirl12]

The JCOnline article I cited was written 5/30/2019, the same day as TJ's arraignment hearing. MOO I believe the articles you have cited were written prior to the arrangement and the autopsy, so those articles state similar COD's pulled from the probable cause or police reports but not the autopsy report to the court.
"Multiple head wounds and ligature strangulation" from JCOnline from reporting on 5/30/19 is as official information as we will have until court records unsealed.
MOO TJ is being charged with "intentional murder," murder in the first degree with good reason.

https://www.jconline.com/story/news/crime/2019/05/30/affidavit-details-lafayette-mans-plans-kill- his-exs-boyfriend/1278757001/

@Boxer I understand that this post was the day of TJ arraignment. But if records were sealed then how do we know that this one article that the paper wrote is correct? If the others ones say something different. If the records weren't sealed then it would be a no brainer. But since the paper has multiple things wrote it's hard to believe what one is correct. You said that the ones I posted were before TJ had court. But one of them said

Friday afternoon's autopsy indicated Martin died from blunt force trauma to the head and manual strangulation, Avolt said.
This one was apparently what autopsy reported was COD. My point is. The paper has reported many differsnt stories about this case. So it's hard to believe what the truth is or isn't. I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[Purduegirl12]

In your opinion

Are you thinking TJ is covering for someone? He had possible help?
The Jury will hear from both sides.
Until then we wait.

MOO I have not found evidence of any defensive wounds on TJ as of yet.
But head wounds and strangulation COD for RM.
Possible fight MOO no maybe a sneak attack from behind. TJ surprised RM taking his life. ( maybe wrong)
If self defense why would TJ hide RM's body and not call L.E. to report 911.
No drug charges have ever been linked (seen) to the search warrant at TJ's.

Note I have not viewed SW. Just saying
No drugs as to this day has been mentioned on that tragic morning.
Yes this case is twisted and sad.
I believe the truth and justice will prevail in this case.
Will we like it? No maybe not.

@Steph8angels I would think if someone else was involved TJ would come forward with that information. Even if he did we wouldn't know that since everything is sealed. But maybe that is a possibility. Nothing would surprise me in this case. If it was self defense I wouldn't think you would hide the victim unless he got scared not sure on that. As far as drugs I did look at both TJ and RM criminal history. Tj just bad PO and traffic. RM had a pending DUI case where he was getting ready to serve time for in a few days. He also had strangulation in front or minor, battery in front of minor, residential entry, drug charges. Not that his criminal history is any reason to end up dead. But it's just seems odd to me that SR would be with someone that has a violent history when she had a po on TJ. I still stand behind when I said in other post. It's very odd to me that SR is so young and to have a ex bf with a PO on and then the next guy she dates ends up dead. That's MOO

 

[Boxer]

@Boxer I understand that this post was the day of TJ arraignment. But if records were sealed then how do we know that this one article that the paper wrote is correct? If the others ones say something different. If the records weren't sealed then it would be a no brainer. But since the paper has multiple things wrote it's hard to believe what one is correct. You said that the ones I posted were before TJ had court. But one of them said

Friday afternoon's autopsy indicated Martin died from blunt force trauma to the head and manual strangulation, Avolt said.
This one was apparently what autopsy reported was COD. My point is. The paper has reported many differsnt stories about this case. So it's hard to believe what the truth is or isn't. I guess we will have to wait and see.

The manner and cause of death would be stated by the coroner in the hearing. Rule 9 doesn't keep any relevant attorney from seeing the case materials, it just keeps the info in the court and not published to the media or public court database Odyssey.

 

[tresir2012]

@Steph8angels I would think if someone else was involved TJ would come forward with that information. Even if he did we wouldn't know that since everything is sealed. But maybe that is a possibility. Nothing would surprise me in this case. If it was self defense I wouldn't think you would hide the victim unless he got scared not sure on that. As far as drugs I did look at both TJ and RM criminal history. Tj just bad PO and traffic. RM had a pending DUI case where he was getting ready to serve time for in a few days. He also had strangulation in front or minor, battery in front of minor, residential entry, drug charges. Not that his criminal history is any reason to end up dead. But it's just seems odd to me that SR would be with someone that has a violent history when she had a po on TJ. I still stand behind when I said in other post. It's very odd to me that SR is so young and to have a ex bf with a PO on and then the next guy she dates ends up dead. That's MOO

It is possible TJ had an unknown accomplice or conspirator or he could have acted completely alone. We know it was a planned meeting from the night before so why was that? Did RM have any enemies who could have recruited TJ? Did TJ have a motive to kill RM?

 

[tresir2012]

@Boxer I understand that this post was the day of TJ arraignment. But if records were sealed then how do we know that this one article that the paper wrote is correct? If the others ones say something different. If the records weren't sealed then it would be a no brainer. But since the paper has multiple things wrote it's hard to believe what one is correct. You said that the ones I posted were before TJ had court. But one of them said

Friday afternoon's autopsy indicated Martin died from blunt force trauma to the head and manual strangulation, Avolt said.
This one was apparently what autopsy reported was COD. My point is. The paper has reported many differsnt stories about this case. So it's hard to believe what the truth is or isn't. I guess we will have to wait and see.

I think it was explained upthread that the paper saw the probable cause document before it was sealed and that was how they could report that. IMO.

 

[Boxer]

@Steph8angels I would think TJ lawyer would be able to to get the evidence even if it is sealed. I'm not sure how that works I always thought state had to provide that. I could be wrong. I would have to disagree on people not judging on the unknown. It seems like everyone has him already found guilty already. We don't know all the facts like was there other people there? Was there a fight between them? Maybe some kind of deal gone bad. I dont follow or comment on to many things like this. It's hard to keep an open mind. Moo people and I'm not saying I haven't been guilty in the past to go by what we hear on the news. But I always try to remember that the news only wants to boost their ratings and try to make us believe what they want us to. No matter what it's sad for both families. My heart breaks for everyone involved.

TJ should have told the police what happened, instead he drove RM's car to RM's home and lied to police.

MOO the motive for the murder was to hurt SR by depriving her of RM.

 

[MistyWaters]

TJ should have told the police what happened, instead he drove RM's car to RM's home and lied to police.

MOO the motive for the murder was to hurt SR by depriving her of RM.

Possibly but if RM indeed was driving TJ after his special permit to drive was revoked, considering the State of Indiana was already preparing to seek to revoke his parole within days, he was facing six months in jail. Therefore TJ also had the option of reporting RM if vindictiveness was his motivation. RMs impending legal issues may only have been coincidental or TJ may not’ve been aware of that at all but I really do think there’s something more to RM’s murder than a motive involving a simplistic love triangle. At this point in time I don’t think enough information has been released to really know much of anything. Still unknown is the nature of the relationship between RM and TJ.

 

[Boxer]

Possibly but if RM indeed was driving, considering the State of Indiana was preparing to seek to revoke his parole within days, he’d instead have faced six months in jail. Therefore TJ also had the option of reporting RM if vindictiveness was his motivation. RMs impending legal issues may only have been coincidental or TJ may not’ve been aware of that at all but I really do think there’s something more to RM’s murder than a motive involving a simplistic love triangle.

MOO TJ was 18/19, and a couple of scenarios seem likely to me.
I think either he was obsessed with SR and failing to get her back planned to hurt her by killing RM, and maybe as a result of his absence she would turn back to him.

Or he was going to have a normal pot deal with Ryan at his apartment and during that interaction became enraged and beat/strangled RM.

Or it is both because the plan and then rage happened in sequence within minutes.

 

[Purduegirl12]

The manner and cause of death would be stated by the coroner in the hearing. Rule 9 doesn't keep any relevant attorney from seeing the case materials, it just keeps the info in the court and not published to the media or public court database Odyssey.

@Boxer I'm guessing the coroner was not in the court hearing when they filed charges. I have a friend that is corner and he said they go to trials at times, but not when someone is charged. That's moo since I cant say 100% since I wasnt there

 

[Purduegirl12]

Possibly but if RM indeed was driving TJ after his special permit to drive was revoked, considering the State of Indiana was already preparing to seek to revoke his parole within days, he was facing six months in jail. Therefore TJ also had the option of reporting RM if vindictiveness was his motivation. RMs impending legal issues may only have been coincidental or TJ may not’ve been aware of that at all but I really do think there’s something more to RM’s murder than a motive involving a simplistic love triangle. At this point in time I don’t think enough information has been released to really know much of anything. Still unknown is the nature of the relationship between RM and TJ.

@MistyWaters good point to point out that TJ could have reported RM driving if he was wanting to get to SR. I have said from the beginning seems like something more then a love triangle imo. I cant help but to wonder if SR is involved anyway?? Looking online it looks like the PO was filed in March so she must have just broke up with TJ and got it. She was living 4 hours away at that time. Then 2 months she is living with RM. MOO seems fishy to me that someone that is 19 or around that age per online has had a PO on one boyfriend then the next boyfriend ends up dead. I would love to know more about her, more about her family. Did any other Boyfriends in the past have PO?

 

[MistyWaters]

MOO TJ was 18/19, and a couple of scenarios seem likely to me.
I think either he was obsessed with SR and failing to get her back planned to hurt her by killing RM, and maybe as a result of his absence she would turn back to him.

Or he was going to have a normal pot deal with Ryan at his apartment and during that interaction became enraged and beat/strangled RM.

Or it is both because the plan and then rage happened in sequence within minutes.

Yes the premeditated part is what doesn’t make a lot of sense considering the body was found in TJs closet. I wonder where RMs vehicle was eventually found?

I’m sure there’ll be more evidence heard during the trial but IF on the off chance (innocent until proven guilty) somebody attempted to frame TJ and RM did leave, then later his body was placed in TJs closet while TJ wasn’t at his home, all we know for now is the highly incriminating evidence coming from the three young women - SR, TJs girlfriend and her friend which certainly appears to nail the case shut. IE, TJ going to SRs, TJ announcing RM was coming over, the removal and hiding of the bloody cushions, etc.

Why I’m look forward to hearing if there’s more to the story is because on the surface this case didn’t require any intensity of police work whatsoever to solve. If only crime solving were all so easy, the perp giving himself away like this.

 

[Purduegirl12]

Yes the premeditated part is what doesn’t make a lot of sense considering the body was found in TJs closet. I wonder where RMs vehicle was eventually found?

I’m sure there’ll be more evidence heard during the trial but IF on the off chance (innocent until proven guilty) somebody attempted to frame TJ and RM did leave, then later his body was placed in TJs closet while TJ wasn’t at his home, all we know for now is the highly incriminating evidence coming from the three young women - SR, TJs girlfriend and her friend which certainly appears to nail the case shut. IE, TJ going to SRs, TJ announcing RM was coming over, the removal and hiding of the bloody cushions, etc.

Why I’m look forward to hearing if there’s more to the story is because on the surface this case didn’t require any intensity of police work whatsoever to solve. If only crime solving were all so easy, the perp giving himself away like this.

@MistyWaters you are really on to something. I wonder if anyone had access to TJ apartment? I'm wondering if they looked into RM cell phone to see if he did get a text and who it was from. That would be terrible if TJ was being framed. If that was the case I couldn't imagine what would be going through TJ head. Maybe that is why the family got a Private attorney because they knew there was more to what the media said. It makes my head spin just thinking about it. It will be interesting to find out the facts.

 

[MistyWaters]

@MistyWaters you are really on to something. I wonder if anyone had access to TJ apartment? I'm wondering if they looked into RM cell phone to see if he did get a text and who it was from. That would be terrible if TJ was being framed. If that was the case I couldn't imagine what would be going through TJ head. Maybe that is why the family got a Private attorney because they knew there was more to what the media said. It makes my head spin just thinking about it. It will be interesting to find out the facts.

Something I wonder....what was TJ’s alleged stated reason to convince the two girls leave at 7am and not return until gave them an all clear, all because RM was coming over. If it involved a quick drug deal, couldn’t he just ask they remain out of sight in another room for a short while? And if drugs were involved in TJs lifestyle, by him allegedly mentioning RM’s name it’s not as if TJ was shielding RM’s identity so why even ask them to leave. TJ must’ve given them a reason..... obviously aside from intending to commit murder.

Toxicity tests might also be relevant in this case, to assist in determining RMs time of death. IIRC the search warrant for TJs apartment wasn’t issued until appx 12 hours later.

 

[Steph8angels]

MOO\JMO

I do think that the current girlfriend TJ had was used to try to make the ex jealous.
I do not think that worked.

There was a statement in the thread by a co worker. That TJ and RM had a heated moment at their job. Several weeks before RM was found deceased in TJ closet.
Being that they both worked overnight shift and had just got off work will be presented in the court of law.
Sworn in witnesses on both sides.
I have not vetted RM or SR.
Who are still seen as victims.

I wish RM could of went to the fireworks tonight with his daughter to celebrate July 4th. I am sure she misses her daddy. And does not understand.
This is not a moral case
This is a case where someone (RM) ended up dead. Hidden in a closet found in TJ's home, covered with blood couch cushions. A strangulation in my world means up close and personal. Did he die from the head wounds and the strangulation was a over kill.
Again I wait for the evidence.
This was no Romeo and Juliet.

 

[Purduegirl12]

Something I wonder....what was TJ’s alleged stated reason to convince the two girls leave at 7am and not return until gave them an all clear, all because RM was coming over. If it involved a quick drug deal, couldn’t he just ask they remain out of sight in another room for a short while? And if drugs were involved in TJs lifestyle, by him allegedly mentioning RM’s name it’s not as if TJ was shielding RM’s identity so why even ask them to leave. TJ must’ve given them a reason..... obviously aside from intending to commit murder.

Toxicity tests might also be relevant in this case, to assist in determining RMs time of death. IIRC the search warrant for TJs apartment wasn’t issued until appx 12 hours later.

@MistyWaters why do you think it took so long to get a Search warrant? 12 hours seems like a long time. Moo it wouldn't take long to get one

 

[Boxer]

@MistyWaters why do you think it took so long to get a Search warrant? 12 hours seems like a long time. Moo it wouldn't take long to get one

MOO it was very fast search warrant. Apparently sought after the police spoke to TJ and he lied to them.
Usually missing a person case doesn't get going for 3 days. It was SR seeing TJ that increased the urgency to find RM.

MOO an official manner and cause of death would be presented at TJ's arraignment.

 

[Purduegirl12]

MOO it was very fast search warrant. Apparently sought after the police spoke to TJ and he lied to them.
Usually missing a person case doesn't get going for 3 days. It was SR seeing TJ that increased the urgency to find RM.

MOO an official manner and cause of death would be presented at TJ's arraignment.

@Boxer I would think they would have done it sooner then 12 hours. If SR called the police at 8am and they suspected something. But your right normally missing people cases don't get looked at right away. They must have not suspected anything in the beginning. Or they would have got it sooner moo