GUILTY IN - Shaylyn Ammerman, 14 mos, Spencer, 23 March 2016 #1

[verbonica]

Mom and mat. grandma said she had *just started walking and wasn't good at it. But dad and uncle say she walked everywhere and ran everywhere.

And then Adam and Kyle were in Adam's room, but Justin was *never in the room. Where was Justin? Was he in his mom's room? In the living room? If he was in the living room, then wouldn't he have seen whatever happened?

In fairness, I don't see the walking/running ability assessment as inconsistent. Dad did say (fondly) "Well, she "sort of" runs". People view things differently.

Dad (Justin) said that he had gone to sleep his own bedroom.

I'm not necessarily defending them, just trying to keep things factual.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Someone on here said the house only has two bedrooms but the recently posted interview contradicts that. Does the house, indeed, only have two bedrooms?

 

[Mysti88c]

Have we found out yet how they located her body, if Kyle has not made any statements?

 

[hey-Debbie]

I wonder how the Uncle and Kyle know each other. It appears that the Uncle and Justin appear a bit much older than Kyle. I just wonder how they know each other.

 

[borndem]

So they have to have some sort of evidence to know it's asphyxia due to homicide and not some sort of accident (tangled in a blanket, something in the crib, etc.), correct?

Yes, exactly. The term "burking" is new to me -- one description, when I googled it was, "to murder, as by suffocation, so as to leave no or few marks of violence."

www.dictionary.com/browse/burkingBurking definition, to murder, as by suffocation, so as to leave no or few marks of violence. See more.

More from google:

In homicidal cases, the term burking is often ascribed to a killing method that involves simultaneous smothering and compression of the torso.[SUP][4][/SUP] The term "burking" comes from the method William Burke and William Hare used to kill their victims during the West Port murders. They killed the usually intoxicated victims by sitting on their chests and suffocating them by putting a hand over their nose and mouth, while using the other hand to push the victim's jaw up. The corpses had no visible injuries, and were supplied to medical schools for money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphyxia
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No signs of distress, no petechiae, no broken ribs or broken windpipe or broken hyoid bone, (this was a little child), no brain damage seen (this would be difficult, I know), etc., etc.? I'm hoping the autopsy will be thorough and done by a good practitioner, one who is seasoned and first-class. I'm really curious about how this little innocent died.
And I'm angry.

 

[fhc]

Would really like to know a whole lot more about Kelly.

 

[hey-Debbie]

Would really like to know a whole lot more about Kelly.

Yeah I mean if she was only there for "a visit" why the heck would she bring newspapers in the house? I mean wouldn't you just leave them in the car. I would assume she had a paper route or was delivering them to someone that had a paper route.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Someone on here said the house only has two bedrooms but the recently posted interview contradicts that. Does the house, indeed, only have two bedrooms?

This is not an msm site, but according to it, yes, the house only has two bedrooms. So I'm not sure where dad's private bedroom is if it only has two. Maybe it has a "study" or family room that they use as another bedroom?

http://egis.39dn.com/egisv4/View/egisprc.cfm?pin_18=60-10-20-400-400.273-028

 

[fhc]

Yeah I mean if she was only there for "a visit" why the heck would she bring newspapers in the house? I mean wouldn't you just leave them in the car. I would assume she had a paper route or was delivering them to someone that had a paper route.

YES, very strange that Kelly would leave to do her route within minutes of when Kyle left...could 22yo Kyle be manipulated by a young blonde girl...there seem to be many twists that could happen between these two. jmo

 

[verbonica]

Yeah I mean if she was only there for "a visit" why the heck would she bring newspapers in the house? I mean wouldn't you just leave them in the car. I would assume she had a paper route or was delivering them to someone that had a paper route.

Not sure how it's done these days, but it used to be that the delivery people had to roll up their own papers for tossing or putting in mail/paper boxes. Sure easier to do on a counter top than in a car.

 

[Midge Montana]

They could have remodeled the home by putting up walls to make more, smaller bedrooms. We just did something similar in our basement.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

This is not an msm site, but according to it, yes, the house only has two bedrooms. So I'm not sure where dad's private bedroom is if it only has two. Maybe it has a "study" or family room that they use as another bedroom?

http://egis.39dn.com/egisv4/View/egisprc.cfm?pin_18=60-10-20-400-400.273-028

In one of the many interviews, gma says that the front door is the only way in and out, that the father's bed blocked the back door. So I'm thinking an enclosed porch maybe?

I'll try to find a link.


ETA

“There is only one way in and out of our house, the front door, because the other door is blocked by her father’s bed. No one could get through the windows, because there is furniture in front of every window,” she noted. “They had to walk in the front door, or out the front door, with her.”

http://www.spencereveningworld.com/...ssing_Toddler_Found_Thursday_Northeast_O.html

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[Hoosier952]

This is not an msm site, but according to it, yes, the house only has two bedrooms. So I'm not sure where dad's private bedroom is if it only has two. Maybe it has a "study" or family room that they use as another bedroom?

http://egis.39dn.com/egisv4/View/egisprc.cfm?pin_18=60-10-20-400-400.273-028

With only 5 finished rooms, that's 2 bedrooms, kitchen, bathroom, living room. No basement. So unless they've done some remodeling or they no longer consider a bathroom a finished room, I'm not seeing the possibility of a 3rd bedroom anywhere. So brothers were sharing a bedroom or dad slept in the living room and both of those explanations don't really line up well with the stories, right? Surely brother wasn't sleeping in the parents room? I'm not sure that would even surprise me at this point.

 

[Hoosier952]

In one of the many interviews, gma says that the front door is the only way in and out, that the father's bed blocked the back door. So I'm thinking a enclosed porch maybe?

I'll try to find a link.

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I forgot about that comment. You're probably right. An enclosed porch probably wouldn't fall under the finished room category.

 

[Msl1966]

It is almost hard to watch the interview of the brothers. As others have said...so many inconsistencies. A few things really bother me:

1.) The dad said when Shaylynn waved her fingers, "it brought tears to my eyes every time." Hmmm. I have yet to see a tear or watery eyes about her being gone.
2.) The brother said, "I want to remember her as..." That is something one usually says when they saw the deceased person in some other way such as injured or sick. You say it to point out to others that you don't want to remember the condition the person WAS in, but rather how you WANT to remember them...when they were healthy, lively, uninjured, etc...
3.) At the 1:26 mark, the dad is asked when he last saw her. He seems to really hesitate on his answer.
4.) At the 2:55 mark, they speak of Kyle saying they trusted him and they invited him into their home every time (every time what??). Then at the 6:45 mark they say Kyle was more of an acquaintance who had been over a few times.

 

[pepelepolecat]

In one of the many interviews, gma says that the front door is the only way in and out, that the father's bed blocked the back door. So I'm thinking a enclosed porch maybe?

I'll try to find a link.


ETA

“There is only one way in and out of our house, the front door, because the other door is blocked by her father’s bed. No one could get through the windows, because there is furniture in front of every window,” she noted. “They had to walk in the front door, or out the front door, with her.”

http://www.spencereveningworld.com/...ssing_Toddler_Found_Thursday_Northeast_O.html

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Ah, now that would make sense!

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

This is not an msm site, but according to it, yes, the house only has two bedrooms. So I'm not sure where dad's private bedroom is if it only has two. Maybe it has a "study" or family room that they use as another bedroom?

http://egis.39dn.com/egisv4/View/egisprc.cfm?pin_18=60-10-20-400-400.273-028

I'm remembering now that grandma said Justin's bed blocks an exit so it sounds like he didn't have a proper bedroom.

 

[Ontario Mom]

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...-uncle-describe-hours-before-she-went-missing

I'm not sure if this interview has been posted. Justin and his brother, a full 9 minutes

edited: more inconsistency!

From your link:

“I fell asleep once cause I was a little hung over and I was tired and I had just a little much over my limit and I went to bed, passed out. I got woken up because my step dad ended up screwing up our TV package on DISH and I had to fix that, that was at 1, 2 o'clock in the morning," Adam said.

This is the THIRD interview given where 3 different people said THEY were up fixing the sat tv. First grandpa was up fixing it at 2am, then grandma claims to be the one who fixed it at midnight. Now uncle Adam fixed it. Now it's perfectly reasonable to assume all three of them WERE messing around with it trying to fix it but none of them mention anyone else being there while THEY fixed it. They all make it sound like it was them, that fixed it.

 

[Tillicum]

In one of the many interviews, gma says that the front door is the only way in and out, that the father's bed blocked the back door. So I'm thinking an enclosed porch maybe?

I'll try to find a link.


ETA

“There is only one way in and out of our house, the front door, because the other door is blocked by her father’s bed. No one could get through the windows, because there is furniture in front of every window,” she noted. “They had to walk in the front door, or out the front door, with her.”

http://www.spencereveningworld.com/...ssing_Toddler_Found_Thursday_Northeast_O.html

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You can see the other door in the third image here. Kinda on the side of the house. http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/search-continues-missing-owen-county-toddler-95879/

 

[verbonica]

From your link:



This is the THIRD interview given where 3 different people said THEY were up fixing the sat tv. First grandpa was up fixing it at 2am, then grandma claims to be the one who fixed it at midnight. Now uncle Adam fixed it. Now it's perfectly reasonable to assume all three of them WERE messing around with it trying to fix it but none of them mention anyone else being there while THEY fixed it. They all make it sound like it was them, that fixed it.

Not sure, but they could've been talking about fixing the individual receivers in different rooms -- living room, parents' room and Adam's room? I think that when the main one goes on the blink, all of them have to be reset.