IN -Terry and Darleen Anderson Murder, Mungo, 22 Oct 2005 - #1

[Rosco]

All is well everyone. Been busy with home issues and I just have to shut off the murders so I can direct my attention elsewhere. My mom is not well. Not sure what it might be so I feel a trip to Mayo might be in my near future. Thanks for your prayers on the bucket. I'm sure it will help!! God is listening and He will help her and keep her safe.

We are all so excited about the $20,000 offered to The Foundation for the reward. LE feels that it just might open some leads. I pray that it does. It's not chump-change and money can really start people talking.

Nothing new as far as the baby and her condition. I hope she is fine and that she is getting the attention and care she needs to be healthy.

Kid is climbing all over me. I'll come back when he's nice and snuggle in his bed. :bang:

Bless

Rosco

 

[tazette]

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Ok Websleuth members start your investigative engines. Every state must have several identified murder suspects on the run. Get the information, as much as you can come up with, put it in an email, and send it to Dan.

We have all seen Dan's work on Dateline. He has been with the show for 10 years and works on many law-enforcement related shows. He read Websleuths and called me to ask for our help.

I know we have the best minds in the world here. Let's show Dateline what we have at WS ok?
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I copied this from "cold case". I hope you consider this one! It would definately put it out there for ALL to see & shake some people up. Good Luck.

 

[kahskye]

This case has really drawn me in. First off, I'm glad the reward is up to $20,000 and hope that will be an incentive for someone to do the right thing and TALK. I spent a good hour or more re-reading this thread and the other forum. A couple things that come to mind are that "A" was possibly under the influence when she found her mom and that's the reason she stated it was a gunshot. I also read in another forum where "A" states that her parents were "severely massacared", obviously one could tell the difference between a gunshot wound and being severely massacared, yet "A" didn't. During the wake, "A" was noted for having dark circles quoted by a reporter and having little sleep. Drugs will also have this effect. Another problem I have is the time of death, which is stated as anywhere from 8 p.m. to 7:21 a.m. If an untouched bowl of popcorn was on Darlene's lap, that would lead me to believe the murder happened in the evening. Who eats popcorn for breakfast, unless this was staged? Is there a way to to have tested the popcorn for freshness? I know it goes stale pretty fast if left out. Also, if Darlene was making popcorn, why was Terry out in the outbuilding? I know that when we make popcorn, we want to eat it while it is warm. Maybe I missed why he wasn't w/ Darlene, but I really think the popcorn was staged. I also read about someone mentioning some phycho Dan Burrell and Jill Smith. Have these two been questioned?

I'm sorry if some of these questions have been addressed. I've spent so much time trying to find answers here and would love to see this case solved. The money that was missing at the time of the murder tells me that this/these people knew what they were after. They knew Terry and they knew about his boat money. I'm just having trouble figuring out why he wasn't w/ Darlene in the house, unless he was showing someone something in the outbuilding. Maybe he was murdererd first and then whoever did this came in and murdered Darlene. I repeat, I still think the popcorn was staged.

One final question, how is "A's" baby doing? I thought I read that the baby was born w/ drugs in her system. If that's the case, why is she still w/ "A"? I worry about this baby daily and pray that "A" is off of drugs and tending to her dd's needs.

God bless you Rosco! You and your family continue to be in my prayers. Justice will be served, it's just a matter of time.

 

[Dark Knight]

This case has really drawn me in. First off, I'm glad the reward is up to $20,000 and hope that will be an incentive for someone to do the right thing and TALK. I spent a good hour or more re-reading this thread and the other forum. A couple things that come to mind are that "A" was possibly under the influence when she found her mom and that's the reason she stated it was a gunshot. I also read in another forum where "A" states that her parents were "severely massacared", obviously one could tell the difference between a gunshot wound and being severely massacared, yet "A" didn't. During the wake, "A" was noted for having dark circles quoted by a reporter and having little sleep. Drugs will also have this effect. Another problem I have is the time of death, which is stated as anywhere from 8 p.m. to 7:21 a.m. If an untouched bowl of popcorn was on Darlene's lap, that would lead me to believe the murder happened in the evening. Who eats popcorn for breakfast, unless this was staged? Is there a way to to have tested the popcorn for freshness? I know it goes stale pretty fast if left out. Also, if Darlene was making popcorn, why was Terry out in the outbuilding? I know that when we make popcorn, we want to eat it while it is warm. Maybe I missed why he wasn't w/ Darlene, but I really think the popcorn was staged. I also read about someone mentioning some phycho Dan Burrell and Jill Smith. Have these two been questioned?

I'm sorry if some of these questions have been addressed. I've spent so much time trying to find answers here and would love to see this case solved. The money that was missing at the time of the murder tells me that this/these people knew what they were after. They knew Terry and they knew about his boat money. I'm just having trouble figuring out why he wasn't w/ Darlene in the house, unless he was showing someone something in the outbuilding. Maybe he was murdererd first and then whoever did this came in and murdered Darlene. I still think the popcorn was staged.

One final question, how is "A's" baby doing? I thought I read that the baby was born w/ drugs in her system. If that's the case, why is she still w/ "A"? I worry about this baby daily and pray that "A" is off of drugs and tending to her dd's needs.

God bless you Rosco! You and your family continue to be in my prayers. Justice will be served, it's just a matter of time.

Rosco has told me in the past that they always popped popcorn before settling in and watching boxing that night. That was their routine.

Terry went out to the pole barn most likely to unplug a tractor he was having trouble with for the night, she said. Possibly a battery charger? Anyways, that was her theory based on what she saw at the scene and what she knew beforehand.

Prevailing theory among the family and community is that he was murdered first. Not sure why people think that, maybe Rosco can clarify.

Based on all of this, they almost certainly died in the evening, and I believe the coroner confirmed that, but again, Rosco can maybe clarify that if my memory is a bit fuzzy. These were things she and I discussed at the beginning of my involvment so it's been a while.

The "severely massacered" comment always stood out to me as odd. Just an odd way to describe it. I think she may have been under the influence when she posted that, as her english and grammer were horrid, and most of her other posts where well written which is more in line with her being an honor student who graduated at the top of her class.

Since Rosco is distracted a bit with her mom being seriously ill, she may not post much, but I will try to answer any questions about the case, if anyone thinks of anything, as best I can.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Rosco has told me in the past that they always popped popcorn before settling in and watching boxing that night. That was their routine.

Terry went out to the pole barn most likely to unplug a tractor he was having trouble with for the night, she said. Possibly a battery charger? Anyways, that was her theory based on what she saw at the scene and what she knew beforehand.

Prevailing theory among the family and community is that he was murdered first. Not sure why people think that, maybe Rosco can clarify.

Based on all of this, they almost certainly died in the evening, and I believe the coroner confirmed that, but again, Rosco can maybe clarify that if my memory is a bit fuzzy. These were things she and I discussed at the beginning of my involvment so it's been a while.

The "severely massacered" comment always stood out to me as odd. Just an odd way to describe it. I think she may have been under the influence when she posted that, as her english and grammer were horrid, and most of her other posts where well written which is more in line with her being an honor student who graduated at the top of her class.

Since Rosco is distracted a bit with her mom being seriously ill, she may not post much, but I will try to answer any questions about the case, if anyone thinks of anything, as best I can.

Hi Dark Knight- I know that you said (in above quote) that it is believed that Terry was killed first and I just wondered if it has ever been known if there was more than one person who committed these crimes? (One in the house and one in the barn?) Or is the barn far enough from the house where Darlene was that she wouldn't have heard a commotion in the barn when Terry was attacked? If memory serves me, the dog was tied up outside? I guess it seems to me that perhaps there would be two people involved because our dog barks like mad if anyone (friend or foe) even walks up the drive. I know all dogs are different- but event the most friendly of dogs sometimes sense danger and alert whoever is listening? I apologize if these questions/theories have been addressed before- I always get to wondering when a dog is "involved".

On the other thread, Rosco mentions the man who is A's godfather. She posed a question about obtaining the information if this man was really the godfather of A. I can only answer the question based on my Catholic Baptismal certificate, the sponsors (godparents) are clearly listed by name. Some other denominations of churches that I have seen baptisms didn't seem to have traditional sponsors, so I am not sure if A's would be documented. Rosco can check with the church and ask how they record the baptisms.

Please send our prayers to Rosco and her mother.

 

[Dark Knight]

Hi Dark Knight- I know that you said (in above quote) that it is believed that Terry was killed first and I just wondered if it has ever been known if there was more than one person who committed these crimes? (One in the house and one in the barn?) Or is the barn far enough from the house where Darlene was that she wouldn't have heard a commotion in the barn when Terry was attacked? If memory serves me, the dog was tied up outside? I guess it seems to me that perhaps there would be two people involved because our dog barks like mad if anyone (friend or foe) even walks up the drive. I know all dogs are different- but event the most friendly of dogs sometimes sense danger and alert whoever is listening? I apologize if these questions/theories have been addressed before- I always get to wondering when a dog is "involved".

On the other thread, Rosco mentions the man who is A's godfather. She posed a question about obtaining the information if this man was really the godfather of A. I can only answer the question based on my Catholic Baptismal certificate, the sponsors (godparents) are clearly listed by name. Some other denominations of churches that I have seen baptisms didn't seem to have traditional sponsors, so I am not sure if A's would be documented. Rosco can check with the church and ask how they record the baptisms.

Please send our prayers to Rosco and her mother.

Hi BM! To my knowledge, LE has never publically stated whether they think there was more than one person involved or whether or not they may have been killed at the same time. They likely don't know for sure and can only speculate, but that isn't something they'd release, anyways, I don't think. If they have told Rosco something else privately, I am not aware of it, but maybe she can shed light on it when she logs on again.

Rosco told me the distance between the house and the barn is about 50 yards or so. Half-a-football field is how she described it. TV was on, as well, I believe, due to them getting ready to watch boxing as they always did on that night.

I've asked her those same dog questions, but it sounds again like mostly speculation as to what might have happened. I would have assumed he would bark at strangers, especially if they had bad intentions, but hard to say.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Hi BM! To my knowledge, LE has never publically stated whether they think there was more than one person involved or whether or not they may have been killed at the same time. They likely don't know for sure and can only speculate, but that isn't something they'd release, anyways, I don't think. If they have told Rosco something else privately, I am not aware of it, but maybe she can shed light on it when she logs on again.

Rosco told me the distance between the house and the barn is about 50 yards or so. Half-a-football field is how she described it. TV was on, as well, I believe, due to them getting ready to watch boxing as they always did on that night.

I've asked her those same dog questions, but it sounds again like mostly speculation as to what might have happened. I would have assumed he would bark at strangers, especially if they had bad intentions, but hard to say.

Thanks DK! I didn't think about the fact that LE may not have released info. As far as the dog goes, I wish they could talk. (So many cases have dogs involved- OJ, Lacy Peterson and Michelle Young- just to name a few.) The distance between the house and the barn and the noise from television would make it more difficult to hear- I would imagine it would be possible for a single person to have committed the crimes. Again, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Praying someone somewhere has the answers to solve these horrible crimes.

 

[Dark Knight]

Thanks DK! I didn't think about the fact that LE may not have released info. As far as the dog goes, I wish they could talk. (So many cases have dogs involved- OJ, Lacy Peterson and Michelle Young- just to name a few.) The distance between the house and the barn and the noise from television would make it more difficult to hear- I would imagine it would be possible for a single person to have committed the crimes. Again, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Praying someone somewhere has the answers to solve these horrible crimes.

If dogs could talk, they'd be killed as witnesses anyways.

It is believed that Terry was struck from behind, so there was likely nothing to hear, anyways. There was no struggle of any kind. No defensive wounds to either of them, actually, according to Rosco.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

If dogs could talk, they'd be killed as witnesses anyways.

It is believed that Terry was struck from behind, so there was likely nothing to hear, anyways. There was no struggle of any kind. No defensive wounds to either of them, actually, according to Rosco.

As usual, you are miles ahead of me. Didn't think about talking dogs being possible witnesses.:doh: Thanks for the reality check!

I am very puzzled that there may have been no struggle considering the many times it sounds like both Terry and Darleen may have been struck (or stricken?). It's hard to wrap the mind around something so wicked.

 

[Dark Knight]

As usual, you are miles ahead of me. Didn't think about talking dogs being possible witnesses.:doh: Thanks for the reality check!

I am very puzzled that there may have been no struggle considering the many times it sounds like both Terry and Darleen may have been struck (or stricken?). It's hard to wrap the mind around something so wicked.

Either they knew the people who did it, so they didn't suspect what was going to happen, or the person or persons were hiding in wait. One or two hard blows to the head would knock you out, so a surprise attack would mean no struggle. After that it's just overkill, which it was in this case. It was so violent it was an act of pure rage, no one doubts that.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Either they knew the people who did it, so they didn't suspect what was going to happen, or the person or persons were hiding in wait. One or two hard blows to the head would knock you out, so a surprise attack would mean no struggle. After that it's just overkill, which it was in this case. It was so violent it was an act of pure rage, no one doubts that.

I have tried to figure a person planning and hiding in wait to attack but then I get back to thinking "how could the popcorn have gone undisturbed?" And then with the rage/overkill it just seems it would have to be someone close to them (relationship-wise). I really hope the reward money will be enough encouragement for someone to talk.

 

[JDB]

Either they knew the people who did it, so they didn't suspect what was going to happen, or the person or persons were hiding in wait. One or two hard blows to the head would knock you out, so a surprise attack would mean no struggle. After that it's just overkill, which it was in this case. It was so violent it was an act of pure rage, no one doubts that.

DK you are right one or two blows would knock them out. That is the weird part.Darlene was hit so hard but yet the popcorn was undisturbed on her lap. That is why I am thinking the popcorn was staged. They might have made popcorn but were killed before they placed it in bowls,

 

[kahskye]

DK you are right one or two blows would knock them out. That is the weird part.Darlene was hit so hard but yet the popcorn was undisturbed on her lap. That is why I am thinking the popcorn was staged. They might have made popcorn but were killed before they placed it in bowls,

That's exactly what I'm thinking about the popcorn. Too bad the bowls weren't dusted for fingerprints. I'm sure I missed this somewhere, but was the dog usually tied up at night? I thought I read that he was tied in the a.m. when Terry left for work, but was he normally tied all night too?

 

[Dark Knight]

I'll let Rosco decide how much information she wants to reveal publically about the crime scene. That is something LE is the most tight-lipped about for obvious reasons. She has told me things off-record and I don't want to reveal them if they are to remain private due to the investigation. I'll say there seems to be some discrepancies in what I have heard about the popcorn.

Rosco has said there could have been circumstances where the dog was chained up in the evening briefly, but it wasn't routine like it was in the morning.

 

[Rosco]

Evening all. Thanks for everyone's posts and thanks DK for helping with some of the questions. Let me try and answer a few that DK did not know or was unsure...

The dog - Rosco. At the time of the murders he was just 1yr old but about 80lbs. He is currently 120 at 2 1/2 years old. He's all puppy. I can only assume that he was placed on the chain that evening either by Dad himself - maybe the dog was getting in his way while he was fixing the tractor or it's very possible that someone placed the dog on the chain unknown to dad. He is a barker. Barks at every sound. He would have barked for anyone to come onto the property. Hubby was first on the scene and first thing he noticed was dog was on chain. Not normal for night time. Dog was a house dog at night. Slept in their room. Loafed on the couches - just like he does now. During the day while at work he was on the chain. Had normal run of in/out of house while dad roamed the yard 90% of the time. Just can't pin-point if he was placed on the chain on purpose or he was getting in dad's face.

- not sure if the bowl of popcorn was actually still in the lap of darleen. I was told there was popcorn around the room but still some remained in the bowl where her body was found. However coroner said no popcorn was in either system. Had no time to eat it. Big bowl of popcorn was still next to dad's chair with the indentation of Darleen's smaller bowl - her taking her share out... They did not have bed clothes on. Darleen had her clothes she would ware right after work and before bed. Sweats and a t-shirt type clothes. I do not know exactly which clothes. Dad's teeth were out and he was ready to settle in for the fights. I think it was between 7-9pm thursday night they were killed.

Maybe the did take fingerprints of bowls but no fingerprints of 'outsiders'.

Pole-barn and house are at least 1/2 football field away from each other. Also - it was oct. windows are shut. TV was on. dark out and in the woods.. can't see anyone outside without flashlight if your not by any lights. Would never hear anything from barn to house. I think there was more than one person. LE has never confirmed anything of how many they speculate. I think dad was surprised. I think Darleen knew who was in her living room at the time and did not have fear of them. I think Dad was in the pole barn and left to go to gas station (it was confirmed) and when he came back was when someone was waiting in his barn. He always parked the older truck he drove during the week next to his pole barn. Then he went to close it up for the night. Charger was still plugged into the wall - he was fixing his John Deer mower. Never got a change to unplug it. Told my hubby the tues before he was having issues with it and he might need someone to look at it.

Dad was struck from behind. Darleen was struck in the face. Darleen seen her attacker. Dad did not. LE did say it was over-kill. No defence wounds. LE had not said anything about what they might think be the weapons.

Poly's were done on A and XBF. LE has not shared the results with me or family.

- Just a note - A was late for the wake. 90 mins late. We were all waiting for her.

OK.. let me go to the other page and read on..

Whewww...

Rosco.

 

[Rosco]

Let me just note that Dad was stuck from behind still does not make me believe he did not see or know his attacker. Killer/s could have been there talking to him or even helping him. He just did not see it coming - he would have defended himself.

Rosco

 

[LionRun]

Hi Rosco. I understand that the dog may or may not have been tied by Terry. That we just don't know. It sounds like they were attacked just like you think--after work and before bedtime. I would have thought they would have brought the dog in prior to them sitting down with popcorn and the fights. But, if Terry were going to watch the fights while eating popcorn, then why would his teeth be out already? Wouldn't one usually eat popcorn with their teeth in? What if Darleen was sharing the popcorn with someone other than Terry? Someone she knew?

Maybe someone else was helping Terry with whatever was being done with the tractor and the gasoline. I still don't understand why he would be out at the barn and getting gasoline at night, after he took his teeth out, when his usual routine would have been to sit and watch the fights. Several things just don't fit. I can't get this to work at all. Am I missing something? I also think that someone knew he would be at the barn that night at that time or they knew where he parked his vehicle--or both.

Also, something else stood out for me. Would it be typical for him to have already had his teeth out, then go out to the barn? Were his teeth away in the typical place that he kept them while sleeping, I wonder. At what point in his routine did he take his teeth out, I wonder.

Lion

Evening all. Thanks for everyone's posts and thanks DK for helping with some of the questions. Let me try and answer a few that DK did not know or was unsure...

The dog - Rosco. At the time of the murders he was just 1yr old but about 80lbs. He is currently 120 at 2 1/2 years old. He's all puppy. I can only assume that he was placed on the chain that evening either by Dad himself - maybe the dog was getting in his way while he was fixing the tractor or it's very possible that someone placed the dog on the chain unknown to dad. He is a barker. Barks at every sound. He would have barked for anyone to come onto the property. Hubby was first on the scene and first thing he noticed was dog was on chain. Not normal for night time. Dog was a house dog at night. Slept in their room. Loafed on the couches - just like he does now. During the day while at work he was on the chain. Had normal run of in/out of house while dad roamed the yard 90% of the time. Just can't pin-point if he was placed on the chain on purpose or he was getting in dad's face.

- not sure if the bowl of popcorn was actually still in the lap of darleen. I was told there was popcorn around the room but still some remained in the bowl where her body was found. However coroner said no popcorn was in either system. Had no time to eat it. Big bowl of popcorn was still next to dad's chair with the indentation of Darleen's smaller bowl - her taking her share out... They did not have bed clothes on. Darleen had her clothes she would ware right after work and before bed. Sweats and a t-shirt type clothes. I do not know exactly which clothes. Dad's teeth were out and he was ready to settle in for the fights. I think it was between 7-9pm thursday night they were killed.

Maybe the did take fingerprints of bowls but no fingerprints of 'outsiders'.

Pole-barn and house are at least 1/2 football field away from each other. Also - it was oct. windows are shut. TV was on. dark out and in the woods.. can't see anyone outside without flashlight if your not by any lights. Would never hear anything from barn to house. I think there was more than one person. LE has never confirmed anything of how many they speculate. I think dad was surprised. I think Darleen knew who was in her living room at the time and did not have fear of them. I think Dad was in the pole barn and left to go to gas station (it was confirmed) and when he came back was when someone was waiting in his barn. He always parked the older truck he drove during the week next to his pole barn. Then he went to close it up for the night. Charger was still plugged into the wall - he was fixing his John Deer mower. Never got a change to unplug it. Told my hubby the tues before he was having issues with it and he might need someone to look at it.

Dad was struck from behind. Darleen was struck in the face. Darleen seen her attacker. Dad did not. LE did say it was over-kill. No defence wounds. LE had not said anything about what they might think be the weapons.

Poly's were done on A and XBF. LE has not shared the results with me or family.

- Just a note - A was late for the wake. 90 mins late. We were all waiting for her.

OK.. let me go to the other page and read on..

Whewww...

Rosco.

 

[Dark Knight]

Hi Rosco. I understand that the dog may or may not have been tied by Terry. That we just don't know. It sounds like they were attacked just like you think--after work and before bedtime. I would have thought they would have brought the dog in prior to them sitting down with popcorn and the fights. But, if Terry were going to watch the fights while eating popcorn, then why would his teeth be out already? Wouldn't one usually eat popcorn with their teeth in? What if Darleen was sharing the popcorn with someone other than Terry? Someone she knew?

Maybe someone else was helping Terry with whatever was being done with the tractor and the gasoline. I still don't understand why he would be out at the barn and getting gasoline at night, after he took his teeth out, when his usual routine would have been to sit and watch the fights. Several things just don't fit. I can't get this to work at all. Am I missing something? I also think that someone knew he would be at the barn that night at that time or they knew where he parked his vehicle--or both.

Also, something else stood out for me. Would it be typical for him to have already had his teeth out, then go out to the barn? Were his teeth away in the typical place that he kept them while sleeping, I wonder. At what point in his routine did he take his teeth out, I wonder.

Lion

A good point about eating popcorn with your teeth out. Good thinking!

 

[tazette]

A good point about eating popcorn with your teeth out. Good thinking!

Having a large family of people w/dentures, I can say the eating popcorn could go both ways. My hubby doesn't like to eat popcorn w/his dentures, as the popcorn gets under the dentures. He doesn't like his dentures in unless he is in public, etc. And men w/facial hair can run around w/out dentures & not as noticable.
I had missed the teeth issue until now. And Rosco would know the habits more, so I may be out of line here.
If it were my hubby & he were showing something to a stranger, he would have his teeth in. If he were in regular routine or w/people he knows, his teeth are out. Also, if we had people there, I would have held back on making the popcorn until the people had left. I would not make pop corn in front of people, w/out offering to them. And if it were my routine, I wouldn't want someone interupting it. (Am I the only lady who thinks this way?)
The indentation of Darleen getting her bowl of pop corn from the larger bowl, tells me no one else was having pop corn w/her. You get pop corn out by hand & there would be no evidence of the indentation. And no extra bowl, right?
Would seem that Darleen knew Terry would be right back, so made the popcorn & settled down w/her bowl and never had the chance to eat it.
I'm just thinking out loud on all this.

 

[kahskye]

Just thinking of the family and friends of Terry and Darleen and praying that there will be closure on this soon and that justice will be served. I just have this gut feeling that any day now, someone is going to crack. I read on the other forum that "A" had commented in her myspace profile that she didn't want kids. I just pray for that little baby girl everyday that she is being cared for and that no harm comes to her.