Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #14

[Sundog]

USA should be prepared to help financially for ....ummm...
10 years???
Good luck with the voters!

JMO

We've been supporting Ukraine for how long now?

We'll take it one year at a time.

We can save money by not giving billions of dollars a year to the UN.

 

[SouthAussie]

That's the nature of war. Hamas started a war with Israel. IDF is kind enough to inform people what will happen next in the war.

There is an Humanitarian Zone in South Gaza. Everyone has had the opportunity to go there at various times during the war. Those who chose to remain where they are cannot blame anyone else for their decisions.

If you can see this Wall Street Journal article, it says that the humanitarian zone is too small and too barren to support camps of hundreds of thousands of displaced people.

Where Is Israel's Humanitarian Zone in the Gaza Strip?

Israel is asking Palestinians to gather in what it calls a “humanitarian zone” in al-Mawasi, a stretch of palm-lined beach with little infrastructure in the southern Gaza Strip, where Israeli officials say civilians can receive humanitarian aid brought over the border from Egypt. **What does the U.

www.wsj.com

 

[fred&edna]

Maybe some Palestinians and those who are pro-P should face the reality of war... Israel cannot be your great protector AND your holy enemy simultaneously no matter what you "expect".

jmo

 

[Momoffourboys]

Israel is responsible for adhering to the Geneva Convention.


The fourth Geneva Convention, adopted in 1949 in the aftermath of World War II, is centred on affording protection to civilians, including in occupied territories.
On July 6, 1951, the still newly formed state of Israel ratified the Geneva Conventions – one of 196 countries to have done so. Link

And what about Hamas’s responsibility?

Hamas’s killing of at least 1400 Israeli civilians (including children) during its surprise attack on Israeli territory violated provisions of international humanitarian law that are designed to protect civilians and their property during war. They include Common Article 3 of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which requires humane treatment of civilians and noncombatants; Article 51 of the conventions’ Protocol I, which protects civilian populations from attack; and a host of provisions on war crimes and crimes against humanity in Articles 7 and 8 of the Rome Statute [PDF] of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which reflect customary international law and apply to Hamas leaders and fighters. Moreover, Hamas’s continuous, indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israeli targets put civilian structures and individuals at risk, also violating these treaty provisions and customary international law.

The state of Palestine also is a state party of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which means that Hamas leaders and personnel can be held accountable for committing genocide, crimes against humanity, or war crimes on, for example, Israeli territory or in Gaza. Israel, like the United States and dozens of other countries, is not a state party of the Rome Statute, but the ICC prosecutor will scrutinize its military actions in Gaza, the territory of a state party.

What International Law Has to Say About the Israel-Hamas War

Hamas’s attack on Israel and the ensuing war in the Gaza Strip raise a host of questions about the combatants’ legal obligations.

www.cfr.org

 

[Sundog]

If you can see this Wall Street Journal article, it says that the humanitarian zone is too small and too barren to support camps of hundreds of thousands of displaced people.

Where Is Israel's Humanitarian Zone in the Gaza Strip?

Israel is asking Palestinians to gather in what it calls a “humanitarian zone” in al-Mawasi, a stretch of palm-lined beach with little infrastructure in the southern Gaza Strip, where Israeli officials say civilians can receive humanitarian aid brought over the border from Egypt. **What does the U.

www.wsj.com

Let's see some Arabic nations get involved and help out the residents of the Gaza strip. Like Egypt, for obvious reasons.

 

[margarita25]

 

[Dotta]

We can save money by not giving billions of dollars a year to the UN.

Hmmm....

USA is a founding member of the United Nations and the host for its headquarters.

Is it wise to abandon UN?

 

[SouthAussie]

And what about Hamas’s responsibility?

Hamas’s killing of at least 1400 Israeli civilians (including children) during its surprise attack on Israeli territory violated provisions of international humanitarian law that are designed to protect civilians and their property during war. They include Common Article 3 of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which requires humane treatment of civilians and noncombatants; Article 51 of the conventions’ Protocol I, which protects civilian populations from attack; and a host of provisions on war crimes and crimes against humanity in Articles 7 and 8 of the Rome Statute [PDF] of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which reflect customary international law and apply to Hamas leaders and fighters. Moreover, Hamas’s continuous, indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israeli targets put civilian structures and individuals at risk, also violating these treaty provisions and customary international law.

The state of Palestine also is a state party of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which means that Hamas leaders and personnel can be held accountable for committing genocide, crimes against humanity, or war crimes on, for example, Israeli territory or in Gaza. Israel, like the United States and dozens of other countries, is not a state party of the Rome Statute, but the ICC prosecutor will scrutinize its military actions in Gaza, the territory of a state party.

What International Law Has to Say About the Israel-Hamas War

Hamas’s attack on Israel and the ensuing war in the Gaza Strip raise a host of questions about the combatants’ legal obligations.

www.cfr.org

Did Hamas sign up to the Geneva Convention? Probably not ... being a terrorist organisation.

imo

 

[margarita25]

“Anyone who provides shelter to Hamas puts themself in danger.”

 

[Momoffourboys]

Did Hamas sign up to the Geneva Convention? Probably not ... being a terrorist organisation.

imo

Did you read what I posted?

Hamas’s killing of at least 1400 Israeli civilians (including children) during its surprise attack on Israeli territory violated provisions of international humanitarian law that are designed to protect civilians and their property during war. They include Common Article 3 of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which requires humane treatment of civilians and noncombatants; Article 51 of the conventions’ Protocol I, which protects civilian populations from attack; and a host of provisions on war crimes and crimes against humanity in Articles 7 and 8 of the Rome Statute [PDF] of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which reflect customary international law and apply to Hamas leaders and fighters. Moreover, Hamas’s continuous, indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israeli targets put civilian structures and individuals at risk, also violating these treaty provisions and customary international law.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Did Hamas sign up to the Geneva Convention? Probably not ... being a terrorist organisation.

imo

Some more…

Israel and the “state of Palestine,” which is recognized by most countries as comprising the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, are ratified parties of the four Geneva Conventions of 1949. Israel has not ratified the first and second protocols of the conventions, which in 1977 further regulated protection of civilians, property, and the environment during war. One of the prominent provisions is Article 75 of Protocol I, which Washington has long viewed as part of customary international law and thus the provision would bind not only the United States but also Israel. It requires that persons held by a combatant power shall be treated humanely in all circumstances and provides a detailed list of prohibited conduct. A plurality of Supreme Court justices in the 2006 decision stressed Article 75’s customary application. Palestine has ratified all three protocols, so as a state party, it is undeniably bound to their terms. Hamas, particularly as a de facto governing authority in Palestine (namely, over Gaza) with control over its own militant forces, is obligated as part of the state of Palestine to comply with the Geneva Conventions and its three protocols

 

[margarita25]

Freed hostages appear at Tel Aviv rally as Netanyahu vows to press Gaza ground op​

Rockets target Tel Aviv for first time since Nov. 20 * Gallant says Hamas refused to release women, kids, breaking deal * Hamas claims only soldiers, former troops still being held​

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-december-2-2023/

 

[Gardenista]

From my post a little further back.

And leave the people who actually had the cojones to commit the murders in place to do it again? This is not a serious solution.

 

[Dotta]

Let's see some Arabic nations get involved and help out the residents of the Gaza strip. Like Egypt, for obvious reasons.

But it means shoving one's responsibility onto somebody else.
Egypt helps as much as it can.
In fact, it is a ticking
demographic bomb.
It has its own problems.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

Hmmm....

USA is a founding member of the United Nations and the host for its headquarters.

Is it wise to abandon UN?

The U.S. should pay only its assessed fees for its membership. We are voluntarily paying millions more beyond the required amount. We should definitely no longer support UNWRA and many other divisions of the UN that we current support. Could save us billions.

 

[margarita25]

One killed in Paris stabbing attack​

One killed in Paris stabbing attack

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www.timesofisrael.com

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“An assailant stabbed one person to death and injured another in Paris while reportedly yelling “allahu akbar,” Arabic for “God is greatest.””

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French police source: Suspect in deadly stabbing attack follows radical Islam, is mentally ill​

French police source: Suspect in deadly stabbing attack follows radical Islam, is mentally ill

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[SouthAussie]

Did you read what I posted?

Hamas’s killing of at least 1400 Israeli civilians (including children) during its surprise attack on Israeli territory violated provisions of international humanitarian law that are designed to protect civilians and their property during war. They include Common Article 3 of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which requires humane treatment of civilians and noncombatants; Article 51 of the conventions’ Protocol I, which protects civilian populations from attack; and a host of provisions on war crimes and crimes against humanity in Articles 7 and 8 of the Rome Statute [PDF] of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which reflect customary international law and apply to Hamas leaders and fighters. Moreover, Hamas’s continuous, indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israeli targets put civilian structures and individuals at risk, also violating these treaty provisions and customary international law.

Yes, I did.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation. It couldn't give two hoots.
Israel has signed up to the Geneva Convention. Which, whether we like it or not, carries a responsibility to protect civilian lives.

 

[Sundog]

But it means shoving one's responsibility onto somebody else.
Egypt helps as much as it can.
In fact, it is a ticking
demographic bomb.
It has its own problems.

JMO

The Middle East has shoved its responsibility for Hamas terrrorists onto Israel for years now. They now need to take action to resolve the matter if they really care about what happens to civilian Palestinians.

 

[katydid23]

I was looking to see how many Israelis have been killed by the continuous Hamas rockets. And am not finding any statistics. Are they just lucky to not be being killed, or is the Iron Dome so effective that it is preserving Israeli lives? (Which is good imo, because I hate to see any innocents die, of any ethnicity.)

Whereas the Palestinians do not have an Iron Dome. So the death and destruction is widespread.

I think that may be what the world is seeing?

ETA: imo

And that is what is frustrating. Israeli leaders plan ahead, make preparations to protect their people. The Iron Dome was quite a feat and takes a lot of effort. It is manned by many soldiers and engineers, 24/7.

But even with that, the people have to respond to the sirens and run to shelters, routinely and at all hours.

The Iron Dome is effective but expensive in time, effort and resources. But it saves a lot of lives.

On the other hand, Gaza's leaders do very little to help or protect their people. In fact they steal from them, taking their foreign aid and necessary supplies.

And worse yet, they use them as human shields, and hid their weapons, ammo and their extremists underneath the schools, mosques and hospitals.

AND WHAT HAPPENS? Israel is criticised because they don't have many casualties because of their Iron Dome. And they are criticised for retaliating against their neighbours, who just massacred 1,400 civilians, and continue to bomb their cities daily.

Gaza is allowed to bomb Israel, but Israel is not allowed to bomb Gaza because Hamas has left their people vulnerable. And that is somehow Israel's fault?

 

[fred&edna]

Israel is responsible for adhering to the Geneva Convention.


The fourth Geneva Convention, adopted in 1949 in the aftermath of World War II, is centred on affording protection to civilians, including in occupied territories.
On July 6, 1951, the still newly formed state of Israel ratified the Geneva Conventions – one of 196 countries to have done so. Link

They are fighting terrorists!! Geneva convention rules flew out the window with terrorists LONG ago... but you are willing to hold Israel's feet to the fire for their adherence. You want both... Israel to protect them while at war with them. This is NOT reality in the war against terrorism... and I'm not sure why so many do NOT want to see the truth of this very, very important fact. Maybe there should be some NEW terrorist-related ratification?!!

jmo