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What are the roots of the Israel-Palestine conflict?​

Chris McGreal

As with almost everything to do with this conflict, it depends on whom you ask.

[…] the starting point for many people is the United Nations’ vote in 1947 to the partition of land in the British mandate of Palestine into two states – one Jewish, one Arab – in the wake of the destruction of much of European Jewry in the Holocaust.

Neither the Palestinians nor the neighbouring Arab countries accepted the founding of modern Israel. Fighting between Jewish armed groups, which the British regarded as terrorist organisations, and Palestinians escalated until the armies of Egypt, Iraq, Transjordan and Syria invaded after Israel declared independence in May 1948.

With Israel’s new army gaining ground, an armistice agreement in 1949 saw new de facto borders that gave the fledgling Jewish state considerably more territory than it was awarded under the UN partition plan.

What happened to the Palestinians who were living there?​

About 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled – about 85% of the Arab population of the territory captured by Israel – and were never allowed to return.

Palestinians called the exodus and eradication of much of their society inside Israel the Nakba, or “catastrophe”, and it remains the traumatic event at the heart of their modern history.

Arabs who remained in Israel as citizens were subject to official discrimination. They were placed under military rule for nearly two decades, which deprived them of many basic civil rights. Much of their land was expropriated and Arab Israeli communities were deliberately kept poor and underfunded.

[…]

How did the occupied Palestinian territories become occupied?​

In 1967, Israel launched what it said was a pre-emptive defensive war against Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The attack caught Arab governments by surprise and saw Israel achieve rapid victories including seizing the Sinai peninsula and the Gaza Strip from Egypt, the Golan Heights from Syria, and the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan. The six-day war was a spectacular military success for Israel. Its capture of all of Jerusalem and newly acquired control over the biblical lands called Judea and Samaria in Israel opened the way to the construction of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, which became central to the conflict.

Israel placed the Arab population of the West Bank under military rule, which is enforced to this day.

[…]

Where are we now?​

Although western governments still pay lip service to a two-state solution, there has been no progress toward an agreement under Israel’s longest-serving prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who has repeatedly said he will never accept a Palestinian state.

His present government includes far-right parties that openly advocate the annexation of all or part of the West Bank to Israel and the continued governance of the Palestinians without full rights or the vote. Israeli and foreign human rights groups say Israel has increasingly carved out a form of apartheid in the occupied territories.

Hamas’s killing of more than 1,200 Israelis now moves the conflict into uncharted territory.

The word "occupied" is also a misnomer and a huge part of the issues here. Hebrews have been indigenous to these lands for thousands of years. They existed here before Christianity existed. And, even Christianity predates the Muslim Religion (est AD 610).
 
The word "occupied" is also a misnomer and a huge part of the issues here. Hebrews have been indigenous to these lands for thousands of years. They existed here before Christianity existed. And, even Christianity predates the Muslim Religion (est AD 610).
I mean, most everywhere has had indigenous people who were taken over and marginalized by colonialism, genocide, etc.

Most of the population of the US is comprised of non-indigenous people. What should be the solution to that?
 
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We reported earlier that a hospital in northern Gaza was given just two hours to evacuate staff and patients, according to Médecins Sans Frontières.

ActionAid has released a statement:

Our understanding and fear is that the hospital will be bombed when that deadline expires.
The organisation said it condemns in the strong terms “any act that puts innocent lives at risk”, adding that threatening a hospital is an “egregious” violation of humanitarian law.

Wounded children, amongst many other civilians, are being treated with life-threatening injuries; they simply cannot leave. We call for the immediate removal of this threat, a ceasefire and the protection of civilians across Gaza.


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At least 1,900 people have been killed by Israeli strikes in Gaza following the deadly Hamas attack on Saturday, the Palestinian ministry of health said, according to CNN.

The network said officials reported that the toll included 614 children and 370 women. An additional 7,696 people have been wounded, according to the ministry.


 
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I hope people realise that many children have been killed over the last few days by IDF as well as Hamas. Real children. <modsnip - removed reference to removed post> What a world we live in.
 
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Some Good news at least… Diplomacy has paid off.


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Médecins Sans Frontières said Israeli forces have “postponed” the demand to evacuate Al Awda hospital in the northern Gaza Strip until 6am local time.


 

Arab group meeting warns Palestinians in extreme danger​


Nada Tawfik
Reporting from the UN in New York

The Arab Group held a meeting at the United Nations and is due to meet with the secretary general later today.

The Palestinian Ambassador to the UN, Riyad Mansour, is demanding that the international community put pressure on Israel to stop its aerial bombardment and to work to allow humanitarian convoys to enter the Gaza strip, where he says Palestinians are in danger of either being killed by bombardment or starvation.

He says he hopes the UN security council calls for a ceasefire and despatches convoys of food, water, medicine and fuel. But this is a divided council and the US, Israel's closest ally, and others will almost certainly shield Israel’s government from any outside pressure.

Ambassador Mansour also says Guterres needs to do more. He says it is the collective responsibility of humanity to stop what he says are war crimes happening against the Palestinian people.

Already, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry says there is clear evidence that war crimes may have been committed in Israel and Gaza.

 
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The archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has called for the creation of a humanitarian corridor to allow 200 million civilians – half of them children – out of Gaza.

In a statement posted to social media, he described the attack by Hamas on Israel last week as “abhorrent” and that “our hearts are broken open” by the grief of Israelis and the Jewish people “for whom this trauma and loss stands in the dark and terrible shadow of the worst days of their history.”

But in the face of a ground offensive in Gaza, I plead that the sins of Hamas are not borne by the citizens of Gaza, who themselves have faced such suffering over many decades. The price of evil cannot be paid by the innocent.


 

Guterres says all hostages must be released and even wars have rules​

The United Nations (UN) Secretary General Antonio Guterres says "the situation in Gaza has reached a dangerous new low."

"The entire territory faces a water crisis. There is no electrictiy. Our UN staff and our partners are working around the clock to support people in Gaza," he adds during a short press conference.

He also says that "all hostages must be released and international law and human rights law must be respected and upheld, civilians must be protected and never used as shields".

Hamas captured up to 150 people during the attack on Israel last Saturday and are believed to be holding them hostage in Gaza.

As we reported earlier, Hamas militants try to hide themselves among civilian populations.

Guterres also calls for immediate humatiarian aid access to Gaza and says that "even wars have rules."

In conclusion, he calls on the leaders around the world to speak out against hate speech, antisemitism, anti-Muslim bigotry, and dehumanizing language, "which is never accepted".

 

Arab group meeting warns Palestinians in extreme danger​


Nada Tawfik
Reporting from the UN in New York

The Arab Group held a meeting at the United Nations and is due to meet with the secretary general later today.

The Palestinian Ambassador to the UN, Riyad Mansour, is demanding that the international community put pressure on Israel to stop its aerial bombardment and to work to allow humanitarian convoys to enter the Gaza strip, where he says Palestinians are in danger of either being killed by bombardment or starvation.

He says he hopes the UN security council calls for a ceasefire and despatches convoys of food, water, medicine and fuel. But this is a divided council and the US, Israel's closest ally, and others will almost certainly shield Israel’s government from any outside pressure.

Ambassador Mansour also says Guterres needs to do more. He says it is the collective responsibility of humanity to stop what he says are war crimes happening against the Palestinian people.

Already, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry says there is clear evidence that war crimes may have been committed in Israel and Gaza.

Well what about this...

They call for every Hamas fighter to surrender or take their own life if that is what they so desire as part of their martyr like thinking.. then the humanitarian aide can clearly come in.. food, water, etc. Where is the call for HAMAS to stop? They still have hostages.. they are still hiding weapons in places that should be safety for the Palestinaines. They are responsible for brining this on.. does Israel just stop looking for the hostages? Hamas hasn't stopped firing either so where is the call for them to put down their arms?
 

‘Where is humanity?’: Humza Yousaf’s mother-in-law sends tearful video from Gaza​

Elizabeth El-Nakla travelled from Scotland last week to visit family in Gaza and first minister says she is now trapped

The mother-in-law of Scotland’s first minister, who is trapped in Gaza, has asked “where is humanity”, as she described conditions in the Palestinian enclave under Israeli bombardment.

In a video posted online from a settlement in the centre of the Gaza Strip, Elizabeth El-Nakla pleaded for help, saying: “Where’s people’s hearts in the world, to let this happen in this day and age?”

El-Nakla, the mother of Humza Yousaf’s wife, Nadia, had travelled from her home in Scotland last week to visit family in Gaza with her husband, Maged. The couple have been trapped since Israel’s bombarded of Gaza in response to a deadly attack by Hamas at the weekend.

just to add that Humza Yousaf ( Scotland's First Minister, like a Prime Minister) this week also attended a service of prayer and solidarity last night with Scotland’s Jewish community.


 
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I mean, most everywhere has had indigenous people who were taken over and marginalized by colonialism, genocide, etc.

Most of the population of the US is comprised of non-indigenous people. What should be the solution to that?
Absolutely; in most places we tend to live together peacefully for the most part.

Quite easy to say, and expect of others, when our neighbours to every side want the same.

When one is totally surrounded by neighbours, and Hamas in particular, who have sworn they will not rest until "every square inch is free of Jews" then we have a problem that needs to be put into the perspective of that neighbour fighting for their very existence.

This region has been torn by strife for thousands of years - there are no easy soloutions. But, ridding the region of it's various terrorist factions, and terrorist-supporting regimes is a good place to start. In the meantime, Israel must win each and every war it is forced to fight <--- you can thank Hamas for that.
 

'Nine-month-old baby can't be part of this conflict or its resolution'​

Noam Sagi, whose mother was kidnapped from a Kibbutz by Hamas last week, is appealing to the international community and Arab leaders to intervene in the conflict.

“I am not sure that Hamas and the Israeli government are the people that I would have liked to deal with the situation right now. I really urge the international community, the Arab leaders, our neighbours, to get involved as soon as possible,” Sagi tells the BBC.

He urges them to define lines that shouldn’t be crossed, as right now, he says that what's going on "is not human".

He says he never imagined anything like that could ever happen anywhere in the world and that the whole world should agree that a 9-month-old baby and a 93-year-old cannot be part of this conflict or its resolution.

Talking about the people from the Kibbutz, he says they believe there is a way forward.

"They don’t believe that any ground offensive or any massacre will create anything good. Nothing good will come out of this we know that," Sagi says.

 
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