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After reading this! I wonder if, and or, how often JAG was sexually abused as a child. Possibly by the one person he was closest to. The one who sparks his anger.
Lets keep this focused on a psych profile for JAG please.
thanks.
Bipolar I is a bear to manage. He sounds like he was textbook bipolar,imo. It is very difficult to not only find the right cocktail of meds for those that suffer from bipolar, but to keep them med compliant is a whole other issue to deal with.
You're very welcome, Curious...glad to be able to help.
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Herding Cats
http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203/
None of his victims means anything to the psychopath. He recognizes other people only as means to obtain what he desires. Not only does he feel no guilt for destroying their lives, he doesn't grasp what they feel. The truly hard-core psychopath doesn't quite comprehend emotions like love or hate or fear, because he has never experienced them directly.
"Because of their inability to appreciate the feelings of others, some psychopaths are capable of behavior that normal people find not only horrific but baffling," Hare writes. "For example, they can torture and mutilate their victims with about the same sense of concern that we feel when we carve a turkey for Thanksgiving dinner."
(Below is the author's website about his research, etc.)
http://davecullen.com/columbine.htm
Full Moons...didn't you just say yesterday that also worked into dates of some crimes. Is there some kind of club psychology? Is everyone Wiccan Swingers or something?
I've been reviewing some journals and what jumps out at me is that this isn't a "true pedophile" issue, wherein sexual attraction is limited to prepubescent children. Rather, imho (and it's only imho), it seems to me that it's more of an 'opportunistic' issue, meaning that when stressors get too great, action must be taken to alleviate them; in this case, assault and murder, and perhaps many, many more crimes. It's not pure pedophilia (if there is such a thing), but rather a victimologic response; he can control those smaller than he, through intimidation and violence, and that is the release he seeks. It is an outward demonstration of control, an expression of how out-of-control his life is (in his opinion), and an inability to maintain control in his world. To me, this isn't a sex crime; it's a control crime.Wait, don't go, Herding Cats! What do you think about the initial bipolar diagnosis? What arm chair impressions can you supply?
If he was on medication (which I doubt), any consumption of alcohol would interact with the meds, and create issues. Depending on what he drank (hard liquor v. wine, beer), the amount of drinking he did (regularly or binge), and which meds he was on (lithium, SSRI, typical or atypical psychotropics), the effects could range from a stupor to paradoxical anxiety/paranoia.Also wondering if he was on medication, how much drinking he did, and if he used recretional drugs. Still waiting for more info on him to come out.
Ted Bundy has some severe mother issues but what set him off, apparently, was the break-up with his first real girlfriend, who became the prototype of his victims. do we know anything about JAG's early relationships?
It bothers me because I posted on Chelseas main thread about the 7 crimes that we know of were within the full moon phases!
Chelsea was murdered 3 days before full moon........JAG arrested on the full moon and Chelsea was found on 2 days after the full moon IIRC.
psychology......mom is admin of mental health.............wierd to me
yes, mom looks like an older Amber, thanks POWAY
I'm not going anywhere...lol.
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And another thing I've been considering is JAGs ability to resist impulsivity. Can he NOT do something inappropriate when the opportunity arises? If so, he has some control over impulsivity; if not, then there is impairment in his impulsivity. And is that impulsivity driven by a psychotic issue, or is it something else entirely? Impulsivity may be part of Bipolar (1 or 2). Inability to control one's actions - indeed, to even forsee the consequences of an action; or to know the consequences of an action but need to take it anyway (compulsivity) is indeed part of BP.
Inability to resist impulses, even knowing the consequences, is both an axis 1 and an axis 2 issue; depending on the issues predicating it, it could be either, or both...BP has some impulsivity issues during the manic phase, and most of the Cluster B's have impulsivity as a hallmark. It makes it hard to determine which axis the impulsivity belongs to.................................................................................................................................
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Herding Cats
snipped and bolded by me
Also JAG was learning disabled in someway because he was in a special education class in school. I believe he was ADHD which also affects how anger and gratification is controlled by the individual.
Impulseness to the point of actually going out and killing someone is also a self destructive decision, but only if you think you'll be caught. He must have had a high degree of narcissistic confidence in not getting caught tho' by staying in the exact area he committed the crime. (He must have felt he was above the law especially if he'd gotten away with other crimes and developed even more confidence, especially if he did get away with abducting Amber last year.)
I thought I'd read somewhere that he was in a SED (severely emotionally disabled) class...ADHD could qualify for that, but so could early childhood BP...and he was hospitalized at some point, which (and I could be completely wrong...) is what led to his being included in the SED class. I think. I could be utterly off base, but I've had the impression that his hospitalization was in his teen years (while in school).snipped and bolded by me
Also JAG was learning disabled in someway because he was in a special education class in school. I believe he was ADHD which also affects how anger and gratification is controlled by the individual.
Impulseness to the point of actually going out and killing someone is also a self destructive decision, but only if you think you'll be caught. He must have had a high degree of narcissistic confidence in not getting caught tho' by staying in the exact area he committed the crime. (He must have felt he was above the law especially if he'd gotten away with other crimes and developed even more confidence, especially if he did get away with abducting Amber last year.)
From what I've read JAG was classified as SED (severly emotionally disturbed).
He was also diagnosed as bipolar when he was very young. (I question that diagnosis at such a young age...)
He supposedly took lithium for a period of time, but it gave him irritable bowel syndrome among other things. Those who knew him mentioned that he changed as he stopped taking the meds. They didn't know if he was taking other medication or what... (I think this information was in the 2000 arrest and trial information.)
(Information from: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/06/deeply-troubled-picture-emerges-of-suspects-life/ )
I'm not going anywhere...lol.
I've been reviewing some journals and what jumps out at me is that this isn't a "true pedophile" issue, wherein sexual attraction is limited to prepubescent children. Rather, imho (and it's only imho), it seems to me that it's more of an 'opportunistic' issue, meaning that when stressors get too great, action must be taken to alleviate them; in this case, assault and murder, and perhaps many, many more crimes. It's not pure pedophilia (if there is such a thing), but rather a victimologic response; he can control those smaller than he, through intimidation and violence, and that is the release he seeks. It is an outward demonstration of control, an expression of how out-of-control his life is (in his opinion), and an inability to maintain control in his world. To me, this isn't a sex crime; it's a control crime.
I base that on the idea that JAGs ankle bracelet was removed in September '08. Shortly thereafter, we see some indication of criminal behavior if Amber DuBois is indeed his victim. If we were able to be a fly on the wall, we'd likely see many 'stalking' incidents prior to the removal of the bracelet, but no action until afterwards. This is an indication of premeditation, inasmuch as he knows he'd get caught if he acted (he is being tracked), so he did what was not illegal - watching, tracking, and observing of people. Once the bracelet was off, he felt as if there were no more restraints (they couldn't catch him), and he acted.
Bear in mind that this is based in an assumption of Amber Dubois being a victim of his, which I think is very, very likely.
If he was on medication (which I doubt), any consumption of alcohol would interact with the meds, and create issues. Depending on what he drank (hard liquor v. wine, beer), the amount of drinking he did (regularly or binge), and which meds he was on (lithium, SSRI, typical or atypical psychotropics), the effects could range from a stupor to paradoxical anxiety/paranoia.
Mick, upthread, mentioned something about internal v. external control. Internal control is where we decide ourselves which action to take, based on our own opinion. External control is holding those opinions of others (percieved or actual) and taking them in, and using them. One way it's explained is that children are very, very externally controlled, and it is the maturation process which allows them to learn how to be reliably internally controlled, able to resist impulsivity and able to take their own opinions as valid and good, and apply them into a structured, well balanced life.
An example of external control is following the Drs orders without question; "well, he's a Dr. (expert), he knows what he's doing, I'll just follow his direction even when I think it might be wrong."
Obviously, a blend between internal (self) and external (others) is the appropriate balance. Knowing when the Dr is right, and not because he's the Dr (assumed authority; especially since we know of Drs that are wrong) but because I've run it past my internal control and verified it (through research, plain 'common sense', and outcome assessment), and so choose to follow the Dr's direction is a good example.
And another thing I've been considering is JAGs ability to resist impulsivity. Can he NOT do something inappropriate when the opportunity arises? If so, he has some control over impulsivity; if not, then there is impairment in his impulsivity. And is that impulsivity driven by a psychotic issue, or is it something else entirely? Impulsivity may be part of Bipolar (1 or 2). Inability to control one's actions - indeed, to even forsee the consequences of an action; or to know the consequences of an action but need to take it anyway (compulsivity) is indeed part of BP.
Inability to resist impulses, even knowing the consequences, is both an axis 1 and an axis 2 issue; depending on the issues predicating it, it could be either, or both...BP has some impulsivity issues during the manic phase, and most of the Cluster B's have impulsivity as a hallmark. It makes it hard to determine which axis the impulsivity belongs to.
Alcohol is a known disinhibitor, too. I don't know if he drank, drank excessively, drank while on meds (I don't think he's been on meds for a while), but it is apparent to me from what I've been able to read that impulsivity is a common thread throughout his life, and lends itself quite well to the opportunistic aspect of his crime(s).
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Herding Cats
Why do they give the Lithium in Carbonate form??
If we look on Chemical Warning sites, it's classified as a caustic substance, it burns mucus membranes. Treatment with Lithium, as I understand it, for short time may improve the client's condition, but then there is a fair steep decline.
If Lithium is helpful in controlling mood swings, might it be given as Lithium chloride, Lithium salt?
For instance most of us use Sodium. Sodium chloride to be more specific. Sodium Carbonate would seriously damage ones system if consumed in equivalent amounts.
This is a huge issue for me. It seems that those with unbalances are being pushed off the edge, rather than healed when things like Lithium Carbonate are given.