"Jersey" and MW #2

[katydid23]

Please...I'd like to see something from MSM about the "involvement of "Jersey and MW". TIA

IIRC, it has been posted here that MW has been interviewed or contacted by LE 7 times so far. That seems to me that she is of interest to them at the very least.

 

[cowtowner]

The profile conveyed to me, via the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, tells me all you have is a demographic that fits 30% + of the population in KC.

She doesn't fit the profile of a baby snatcher, but you can still think she had something to do with it. The Dingo didn't fit any of this criteria either

I'm sorry, it's simply not logical to note - in red - where MW matches multiple elements of the profile you posted of a baby snatcher and then say "she doesn't fit the profile of a baby snatcher."

I'm sorry that you posted a profile that says "Is usually female of “childbearing” age (range now 12 to 53) and often overweight." and then you later said that descriptor doesn't count.

I'm sorry you posted a profile that says "Usually lives in the community where the abduction takes place." and later said that descriptor doesn't count.

The fact remains this: WE DO KNOW that MW meets multiple elements of the profile of a baby abductor as noted directly in the profile you so helpfully posted. We DO NOT KNOW if she meets more or not, because, as I said in my post:

It could very well be that MW meets more of the criteria than we're currently aware of. Example, she may meet the elements of a home abductor, including:

• Is more likely to be single while claiming to have a partner. (while we don't know what she's claimed her status to be now, we do know she's claimed Jersey to have been a "partner" - I believe she said boyfriend or dated or some version of Sig Other)
• Often targets a mother whom she may find by visiting healthcare facilities and tries to meet the target family. (There's been reports that DB had MW's number written on her hand, maybe they had met.)
• Often both plans the abduction and brings a weapon, although the weapon may not be used. (she could have done this but we won't know this until we have more info.)

We do not know whether MW meets still other criteria or not. MW may meet more of them or she may not; only time can tell.

 

[vlpate]

Twice in that interview in which she self identifies as the victim of parental abduction, she says "if they find the baby..."

She identifies as the victim of parental abduction? Are you trying to fit her into two profiles? Is she the victim of abduction and took Lisa just cuz she's nuts.....because the profile for individuals who take babies didn't site "victim of parental kidnapping".

Desperate woman looking for a baby of her own
Victim of parental kidnapping out for ???
Psycho Clown Possee gang member gettin' thrills

No one is obligated to pick just one....but it helps with clarity.

 

[Pensfan]

The profile conveyed to me, via the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, tells me all you have is a demographic that fits 30% + of the population in KC.

She doesn't fit the profile of a baby snatcher, but you can still think she had something to do with it. The Dingo didn't fit any of this criteria either

Oh noooooooo. Should I start a thread about the neighbor's ferocious German Shepherd? It fits the profile of a dingo.

 

[vlpate]

I'm sorry, it's simply not logical to note - in red - where MW matches multiple elements of the profile you posted of a baby snatcher and then say "she doesn't fit the profile of a baby snatcher."

I'm sorry that you posted a profile that says "Is usually female of “childbearing” age (range now 12 to 53) and often overweight." and then you later said that descriptor doesn't count.

I'm sorry you posted a profile that says "Usually lives in the community where the abduction takes place." and later said that descriptor doesn't count.

The fact remains this: WE DO KNOW that MW meets multiple elements of the profile of a baby abductor as noted directly in the profile you so helpfully posted. We DO NOT KNOW if she meets more or not, because, as I said in my post:

It could very well be that MW meets more of the criteria than we're currently aware of. Example, she may meet the elements of a home abductor, including:

• Is more likely to be single while claiming to have a partner. (while we don't know what she's claimed her status to be now, we do know she's claimed Jersey to have been a "partner" - I believe she said boyfriend or dated or some version of Sig Other)
• Often targets a mother whom she may find by visiting healthcare facilities and tries to meet the target family. (There's been reports that DB had MW's number written on her hand, maybe they had met.)
• Often both plans the abduction and brings a weapon, although the weapon may not be used. (she could have done this but we won't know this until we have more info.)

We do not know whether MW meets still other criteria or not. MW may meet more of them or she may not; only time can tell.

I see what you mean. I think JT may just be a serial killer. I'll tell you why....look at all the criteria for a serial killer that fits him.... I've bolded those I feel similar, the rest we just don't know about....yet.

Fourteen Characteristics of a Serial Killer

Below is a list of the 14 most common traits of serial killers.

1. Over 90 percent of serial killers are male.

2. They tend to be intelligent, with IQ's in the "bright normal" range.

3. They do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work as unskilled laborers.

4. They tend to come from markedly unstable families.

5. As children, they are abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.

6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.

7. They hate their fathers and mothers.

8. They are commonly abused as children — psychologically, physically and sexually. Often the abuse is by a family member.

9. Many serial killers spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.

10. They have high rates of suicide attempts.

11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sado-masochistic *advertiser censored*.

12. More than 60 percent of serial killers wet their beds beyond the age of 12.

13. Many serial killers are fascinated with fire starting.

14. They are involved with sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures.

Source: Internal Association of Forensic Science, an article written by FBI Special Agent Robert K. Ressler
"The Serial Killer," Harold Schechter

 

[Pensfan]

I see what you mean. I think JT may just be a serial killer. I'll tell you why....look at all the criteria for a serial killer that fits him.... I've bolded those I feel similar, the rest we just don't know about....yet.

Fourteen Characteristics of a Serial Killer

Below is a list of the 14 most common traits of serial killers.

1. Over 90 percent of serial killers are male.

2. They tend to be intelligent, with IQ's in the "bright normal" range.

3. They do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work as unskilled laborers.

4. They tend to come from markedly unstable families.

5. As children, they are abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.

6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.

7. They hate their fathers and mothers.

8. They are commonly abused as children — psychologically, physically and sexually. Often the abuse is by a family member.

9. Many serial killers spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.

10. They have high rates of suicide attempts.

11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sado-masochistic *advertiser censored*.

12. More than 60 percent of serial killers wet their beds beyond the age of 12.

13. Many serial killers are fascinated with fire starting.

14. They are involved with sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures.

Source: Internal Association of Forensic Science, an article written by FBI Special Agent Robert K. Ressler
"The Serial Killer," Harold Schechter

He also had shaggy black hair and ate trash. He may just be a serial killer dingo.

 

[vlpate]

IIRC, it has been posted here that MW has been interviewed or contacted by LE 7 times so far. That seems to me that she is of interest to them at the very least.

I heard four times and seven roommates using the phone. The way it was posted I got the impression you meant MW and JT together. No snark, just interested in the angle. I've been super busy and I've missed a lot of the interviews. Looking for the one of the neighbor who told LE about the footprints. I think Vinne Politan may have interviewed her.....

 

[scmom]

I heard four times and seven roommates using the phone. The way it was posted I got the impression you meant MW and JT together. No snark, just interested in the angle. I've been super busy and I've missed a lot of the interviews. Looking for the one of the neighbor who told LE about the footprints. I think Vinne Politan may have interviewed her.....

That was Ms. Hurt. She saw LE taking the plaster casts.

 

[vlpate]

He also had shaggy black hair and ate trash. He could also be a dingo.

Six degrees of separation :crazy:

I totally think there's an MW/JT angle - there's something there, but I don't think they did it. I don't know why they would. I can see a drug angle.... DB sitting outside, looking for some meth to keep her going....mystery 11:30 neighbor says, "I know a guy who has a hook-up, Tank, here's his girlfriend's number, she knows how to get in touch with him". She writes the number on her hand, stumbles in the house, grabs a phone and dials the number but there's no answer and she's not about to leave a message. Then she gets too drunk to dial it again and blows it off.

I just don't see a burglar wanting 3 gimp cell phones and a sick baby.

 

[Turtles]

I wonder if there was any animosity between MW and DB? Did DB know the handyman?

Did the handyman live across the street from JI and DB at some point?

 

[katydid23]

Did the handyman live across the street from JI and DB at some point?

Way back at the start of the info surrounding the handyman, there was an interview with a neighbor of MW/ He said that when she moved out of her place, that the handyman had no place to stay anymore. So IIRC, someone gave the handyman a ride to his friends house, which was across the street from the Irwins. It was never explicitly said he lived there. But it seemed like it was implied he crashed there sometimes. Or at least hung out there.

 

[dovebar]

Can someone review what we know about JI's relationship, if any, with Jersey? Did they know each other? Dislike each other? Hang around each other?

 

[vlpate]

Can someone review what we know about JI's relationship, if any, with Jersey? Did they know each other? Dislike each other? Hang around each other?

I don't see the two of them hanging out. DB and JT, maybe.

 

[Pensfan]

Way back at the start of the info surrounding the handyman, there was an interview with a neighbor of MW/ He said that when she moved out of her place, that the handyman had no place to stay anymore. So IIRC, someone gave the handyman a ride to his friends house, which was across the street from the Irwins. It was never explicitly said he lived there. But it seemed like it was implied he crashed there sometimes. Or at least hung out there.

The house Jersey moved into after Megan was booted from the room she rented was not precisely across the street from the Jeremy's. It is on the opposite side of the street of Jeremy's home, but it is down several houses.
Someone posted the exact address yesterday on another thread.

 

[vlpate]

It's not clear why posters continue to be snide about this former reference.

The dingo was mentioned NOT because of a theory that a dingo took the baby.

If anyone had read carefully and responded respectfully to the posters, they would have realized that the dingo was mentioned because this case sadly resembles a famous case in Australia where the child was taken (by a dingo) - but the mother was publicly vitiated, tried, and imprisoned, even though the body was not found. Plain and simple, the police did not believe her from the beginning and conducted the investigation that way. The public - particularly women - faulted her and her husband, but especially the mother, for going camping with a child. What a bad mother! And she doesn't even show the right kind of remorse! Look, she doesn't cry enough on camera! Was she drinking, was she asleep - how awful!

That is the way this case is being covered, both in the MSM and elsewhere.

This has been clarified more than once. Behaving offensively to other posters on WS is against standards, and I and other will begin to report those who do.

Hey dove....Pens and I were referring to something else completely. Just one line in a post of mine. You must be talking about something else....

 

[In da Middle]

The house Jersey moved into after Megan was booted from the room she rented was not precisely across the street from the Jeremy's. It is on the opposite side of the street of Jeremy's home, but it is down several houses.
Someone posted the exact address yesterday on another thread.

The house the lady gave him a ride to is almost directly across the street from them. Like 1/2 lot from directly. The house he squatted at and broke into is on the same side of the street and up about 6 houses.
Sorry directly across from the drinking buddies house

 

[katydid23]

I don't see the two of them hanging out. DB and JT, maybe.

Which makes me wonder about something else that night. You have Mom and the neighbor sitting outside on the stoop drinking and smoking and talking and laughing. You also have reports of JT being in the area on foot that night. { If what was said about the sprinklers up the street is correct.]

It really makes me think that JT would have stopped to talk to the ladies on the stoop that night. We know he loved to drink, and he would have at least stopped and asked for a cig. That is his MO, to cruise the neighborhood and ask for cigs, or jobs or rides or to use the phone or the bathroom. These ladies out on the stoop were a golden opportunity. And it makes me believe that the story of MW's # being on DB's hand is probably true. I think she may have asked where she could score ___________. Fill in the blank. But it is possible he was allowed to go in and use the bathroom or get a cup for some wine or?

 

[katydid23]

The house the lady gave him a ride to is almost directly across the street from them. Like 1/2 lot from directly. The house he squatted at and broke into is on the same side of the street and up about 6 houses.

TRhat is what I had read before too. And it made my hair stand up. It makes me wonder if he was watching the family for awhile and/ or if he was better acquainted with DB than we know/

 

[dovebar]

Which makes me wonder about something else that night. You have Mom and the neighbor sitting outside on the stoop drinking and smoking and talking and laughing. You also have reports of JT being in the area on foot that night. { If what was said about the sprinklers up the street is correct.]

It really makes me think that JT would have stopped to talk to the ladies on the stoop that night. We know he loved to drink, and he would have at least stopped and asked for a cig. That is his MO, to cruise the neighborhood and ask for cigs, or jobs or rides or to use the phone or the bathroom. These ladies out on the stoop were a golden opportunity. And it makes me believe that the story of MW's # being on DB's hand is probably true. I think she may have asked where she could score ___________. Fill in the blank. But it is possible he was allowed to go in and use the bathroom or get a cup for some wine or?

Since we haven't heard that she or JI have any record of drug use, it's also possible he offered to do yardwork, or odd jobs around the house, or to hook her up with MW for babysitting. Something innocent that would allow her to trust him enough to let him use the bathroom or get a cup for whatever. That seems consistent with generally friendly demeanor and the good mood she seemed to be in at the store even before the wine was served. There's no evidence Lisa was seriously ill, or that DB was about to harm her - she was busy buying things for her. But she seems like a person who would have been easy for Jersey to con.

 

[In da Middle]

TRhat is what I had read before too. And it made my hair stand up. It makes me wonder if he was watching the family for awhile and/ or if he was better acquainted with DB than we know/

I did change it to across the street from drinking buddies house, but he could still be casing from there. I am also wondering about people he associated with in that house that could have been familiar too. They could easily be aquainted but I sure hope not in an intimate way Blek! He may have been familiar with drinking buddies family also.