JLM: Other Possible Victims - #2

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Wondering about the water connection.
MH was found near a creek, so was HG.
The Fairfax rape victim was drug/carried near the pool.

Wonder if there is a creek near where Cassandra Morton's body was found? Anyone got that on a google map?

ANSWER - YES THERE IS A CREEK where her body was found - see map here:
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/78135977.html
 
I have already posted about this but want to bring it to light again as it may have gotten lost in the shuffle. If you look closer at that article it says the remains were found in southern Carrsville.
Just another one of those "could be" coincidences. So I would watch this case a little closer as the more I look into these cases the more I think the location of the bodies has some meaning.
Also, if anyone here is good at researching family trees and what not it would be great to see if JM's family has ties to this area.
Carrsville is named after Jesse Carr
That stuck out at me like a sore thumb, too!
 
I have already posted about this but want to bring it to light again as it may have gotten lost in the shuffle. If you look closer at that article it says the remains were found in southern Carrsville.
Just another one of those "could be" coincidences. So I would watch this case a little closer as the more I look into these cases the more I think the location of the bodies has some meaning.
Also, if anyone here is good at researching family trees and what not it would be great to see if JM's family has ties to this area.
Carrsville is named after Jesse Carr

After JLM used George Carr as an alias when apprehended, this Carrsville discovery gives me chills.

I hope they can retrieve DNA from the bones and make an identification.
 
Not to belabor the Kristan Charlene Fox death but apparently quite a few of her family members believe, as late as October 2014, that she was murdered. See the 2nd page on of the remembrances here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=dfl&GRid=58938542&

Alexis Murphy was last seen alive at a McDonalds/gas station/convenience store and Kristan Charlene Fox was found behind a McDonalds. Wonder if she was sexually assaulted and if they checked her for DNA?
 
Alexis Murphy was last seen alive at a McDonalds/gas station/convenience store and Kristan Charlene Fox was found behind a McDonalds. Wonder if she was sexually assaulted and if they checked her for DNA?
LE doesn't seem to believe that Kristan was ever behind the Mcdonald's :/
 
LE doesn't seem to believe that Kristan was ever behind the Mcdonald's :/

From what I've been reading, it doesn't appear she had any injuries, which would indicate JM wasn't the cause (IMO).

But, read this. So sad. "Her research focused on the criminal-justice system's impact on women and minorities. In December 1999, when she was 16, Fox witnessed the violent deaths of her mother and stepfather in a murder-suicide."

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/p...cle_ee327f36-0246-5f29-bef2-a9fce070bb7d.html
 
The McDonalds Fox was found at is also a McDonalds/gas station/convenience store.
 
Kristan Fox passed away during the period between when Morgan went missing and when she was found. She fits the profile of someone he might target: a beautiful, young, caucasian student. It might be unrelated, but I just think we ought to add it into the possible list of victims. Anyone who knows where Zion Crossroads is, knows that it is right in his neck of the woods. All signs suggest that he was active in that area in that year.
 
The McDonalds Fox was found at is also a McDonalds/gas station/convenience store.

Except she was never there. LE debunked that when they checked surveillance cameras.

After Louisa authorities retraced the last days of her life, investigators determined "with a high degree of certainty" that the events leading to Fox's death occurred in a Fluvanna home where she was living with a male friend, police said.
"Everything indicates a drug overdose," Lowe said. The official cause of death still is pending. Police are awaiting the results of toxicology tests.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/p...cle_ee327f36-0246-5f29-bef2-a9fce070bb7d.html
 
Except she was never there. LE debunked that when they checked surveillance cameras.

After Louisa authorities retraced the last days of her life, investigators determined "with a high degree of certainty" that the events leading to Fox's death occurred in a Fluvanna home where she was living with a male friend, police said.
"Everything indicates a drug overdose," Lowe said. The official cause of death still is pending. Police are awaiting the results of toxicology tests.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/p...cle_ee327f36-0246-5f29-bef2-a9fce070bb7d.html
BUT, family and friends say that when the toxicology came back, it showed only one Prozac and an anti-anxiety med. Something may have happened to her inside a vehicle and "behind McDonald's" may have been in any area behind the McDonald's. Her "two friends" have never been publicly named. But even if the McDonald's story was bogus...and something did happen in Fluvanna...well, we know Jesse Matthew has direct ties to Fluvanna. What if she was another disoriented pretty college aged girl wandering about disoriented and alone...perfect scenario and type of situation for the opportunistic rapist/killer. JLM Jr. We also know that six months prior he showed some kind of remorse, after attacking the lawyer, and drove him to the hospital...Martha Jefferson is where KC Fox was taken.
 
In the last few days we have heard of two bodies turning up in Virginia. (Isle o of Wight/wooded area & Roanoke off an exit ramp of I-81)
Hopefully, one or both will be ID'd as known missing persons and not new UIDs.
 
In the last few days we have heard of two bodies turning up in Virginia. (Isle o of Wight/wooded area & Roanoke off an exit ramp of I-81)
Hopefully, one or both will be ID'd as known missing persons and not new UIDs.

Really? Where might I find some info on these findings? Thanks --I must have missed that story
 
BUT, family and friends say that when the toxicology came back, it showed only one Prozac and an anti-anxiety med. Something may have happened to her inside a vehicle and "behind McDonald's" may have been in any area behind the McDonald's. Her "two friends" have never been publicly named. But even if the McDonald's story was bogus...and something did happen in Fluvanna...well, we know Jesse Matthew has direct ties to Fluvanna. What if she was another disoriented pretty college aged girl wandering about disoriented and alone...perfect scenario and type of situation for the opportunistic rapist/killer. JLM Jr. We also know that six months prior he showed some kind of remorse, after attacking the lawyer, and drove him to the hospital...Martha Jefferson is where KC Fox was taken.
Interesting about the tox report, don't know how to reconcile the differences.
But I don't think JM was involved because at this point JM was already viciously beating his victims, and there was no report of this. JMHO
 
Interesting about the tox report, don't know how to reconcile the differences.
But I don't think JM was involved because at this point JM was already viciously beating his victims, and there was no report of this. JMHO
Probably, not him but some on that find a grave site think she deserves justice...her sister and at least two friends.
 
I have already posted about this but want to bring it to light again as it may have gotten lost in the shuffle. If you look closer at that article it says the remains were found in southern Carrsville.
Just another one of those "could be" coincidences. So I would watch this case a little closer as the more I look into these cases the more I think the location of the bodies has some meaning.
Also, if anyone here is good at researching family trees and what not it would be great to see if JM's family has ties to this area.
Carrsville is named after Jesse Carr

George Carr - Alblemarie County and the Farm. Why did JLM use this name? Is there a grudge from his family history?

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/george-carr

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/carr-family

Anchorage Farm historical link, it's interesting reading. Notice the secret rooms, and false windows, as well as Uncle Edwards Bedroom and Polly's 4 H room. Why was MH's body placed there? Is there any history? They already have a cemetary, it would be interesting to see who is buried there and how the history might tie in.

http://www.dhr.virginia.gov/registers/Counties/Albemarle/002-0734_Anchorage_2001_Final_NR.pdf

Is there a darker history of Anchorage Farm? Where there ever any other killings or unexplained deaths on this property over the course of history? Just curious.
 
George Carr - Alblemarie County and the Farm. Why did JLM use this name? Is there a grudge from his family history?

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/george-carr

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/carr-family

Anchorage Farm historical link, it's interesting reading. Notice the secret rooms, and false windows, as well as Uncle Edwards Bedroom and Polly's 4 H room. Why was MH's body placed there? Is there any history? They already have a cemetary, it would be interesting to see who is buried there and how the history might tie in.

http://www.dhr.virginia.gov/registers/Counties/Albemarle/002-0734_Anchorage_2001_Final_NR.pdf

Is there a darker history of Anchorage Farm? Where there ever any other killings or unexplained deaths on this property over the course of history? Just curious.

Yes I believe I remember reading George Carr was murdered on or near that farm in front of a group of onlooking slaves. He was dismembered I believe. Gonna go on a search to see if I can find that.
 
Yes I believe I remember reading George Carr was murdered on or near that farm in front of a group of onlooking slaves. He was dismembered I believe. Gonna go on a search to see if I can find that.

You can find the information in the book "the jefferson nephews" on google:

http://www.amazon.com/Jeffersons-Nephews-A-Frontier-Tragedy/dp/0803282974

< The brutal axe murder and dismemberment of a Negro slave, committed in 1811 by two brothers, Lilburne and Isham Lewis, whose mother was Thomas Jefferson?s sister and whose father was his first cousin, form the core of this historical detective story and account of frontier life in western Kentucky in the first decades of the nineteenth century.
On the night of December 15, 1811, drunk and enraged over the breaking of a pitcher, Lilburne bound his seventeen-year-old slave, George, and, in front of the assembled household?s other slaves, cut off his head. The brothers were indicted for murder, released on bail, and attempted suicide.

Boynton Merrill Jr. explores the tragic combination of circumstances and social forces that culminated in this ghastly event: the lawlessness of the frontier settlements, the dehumanizing effects of chattel slavery, and the Lewis family?s history of mental instability and their ever-declining fortunes.>

Second reference:

http://www.dhr.virginia.gov/registers/Counties/Albemarle/002-0734_Anchorage_2001_Final_NR.pdf

<The Anchorage is a substantial farmhouse which evolved over half a century beginning possibly as early as 1826. The property was owned first by the Lewis family, for some 20 years by the Howell Lewis family, and then for more than a century and a quarter by John White and his descendants. The Whites were prominent farmers and citizens. The house is characterized by impressive Victorian embellishments including Gothic Revival interior woodwork, elaborate porches with scroll-sawn ornament, highly original Italianate octagonal columns, and both real and false windows enriched with elaborate wooden pediments resting on brackets. The house sits in a bucolic setting that includes a barn and family cemetery, both contributing resources, in the midst of rolling fields surrounded by hills and mountain vistas. The property is eligible under Criterion C in the area of architecture for the unusual character of its architectural finishes and the high degree of integrity of its evolved form. It is a key element of a group of related area buildings that merit additional study. >


Thinking out loud. JMO of course. ;)
 
You can find the information in the book "the jefferson nephews" on google:

http://www.amazon.com/Jeffersons-Nephews-A-Frontier-Tragedy/dp/0803282974

< The brutal axe murder and dismemberment of a Negro slave, committed in 1811 by two brothers, Lilburne and Isham Lewis, whose mother was Thomas Jefferson?s sister and whose father was his first cousin, form the core of this historical detective story and account of frontier life in western Kentucky in the first decades of the nineteenth century.
On the night of December 15, 1811, drunk and enraged over the breaking of a pitcher, Lilburne bound his seventeen-year-old slave, George, and, in front of the assembled household?s other slaves, cut off his head. The brothers were indicted for murder, released on bail, and attempted suicide.

Boynton Merrill Jr. explores the tragic combination of circumstances and social forces that culminated in this ghastly event: the lawlessness of the frontier settlements, the dehumanizing effects of chattel slavery, and the Lewis family?s history of mental instability and their ever-declining fortunes.>

Second reference:

http://www.dhr.virginia.gov/registers/Counties/Albemarle/002-0734_Anchorage_2001_Final_NR.pdf

<The Anchorage is a substantial farmhouse which evolved over half a century beginning possibly as early as 1826. The property was owned first by the Lewis family, for some 20 years by the Howell Lewis family, and then for more than a century and a quarter by John White and his descendants. The Whites were prominent farmers and citizens. The house is characterized by impressive Victorian embellishments including Gothic Revival interior woodwork, elaborate porches with scroll-sawn ornament, highly original Italianate octagonal columns, and both real and false windows enriched with elaborate wooden pediments resting on brackets. The house sits in a bucolic setting that includes a barn and family cemetery, both contributing resources, in the midst of rolling fields surrounded by hills and mountain vistas. The property is eligible under Criterion C in the area of architecture for the unusual character of its architectural finishes and the high degree of integrity of its evolved form. It is a key element of a group of related area buildings that merit additional study. >


Thinking out loud. JMO of course. ;)

George Carr was not the George who was murdered.

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/george-carr
 
Yes I know, George was the slave. Just bought the book, will report later on my findings.

Did all of this happen on Anchorage Farm, way back when?

I guess my question goes back to why did JLM use the name George Carr? Was their any history there? Does Anchorage Farm have a history of any other murders/ unknown deaths?
 

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