Jodi Arias Murder Trial - the defense continues it's case in chief-*Weekend* #89

[pip]

I literally cannot even imagine what that would be like or how anyone could possibly carry on with daily life while waiting for that explosion.

Me neither. I wonder if she sought the comfort of another male...that would be so Jodi. Do you think she took any mini road trips to snuggle with MM or DB? My guess would be DB. He sure didn't want to say anything bad about her. He seems to hold a few secrets to himself.

 

[tinkabella]

I literally cannot even imagine what that would be like or how anyone could possibly carry on with daily life while waiting for that explosion.

She had no problem doing just that. She felt confident in her removing the weapons from the home and all traces of her being in AZ. Once he was discovered she would then slip into her preplanned grieving ex girlfriend role and share her pain with his friends and family. She felt confident that no one would suspect her, afterall she lived in CA and hadn't been to see travis since April 2008. No one would be suspecting her (at least she thought). If anything she couldn't wait to step into her next act.

 

[tinkabella]

The ever-changing, evolving gun story:

1. I found the gun when I was cleaning in the fall of 2007

2. Travis told me the gun was unloaded

3. On June 4 I jumped up on the shelf and grabbed the gun

4. I stepped on one shelf to retrieve the gun but did not use either of my hands

5. I stepped on the edge of one shelf and used my right hand on one shelf and grabbed the gun with my left hand

6. The gun was in a holster on June 4

7. The gun might have been in a box on June 4

8. I held the gun with both hands and pointed it at Travis to make him stop (even though I thought it was unloaded) <----this means she could not have been holding the knife while holding the gun which means she had to go get the knife which means premeditation

9. Travis told me the gun was unloaded and he told me it was loaded

10. Travis loaded the gun and took it somewhere

11. The only 3 times I've seen the gun were when I was cleaning and another time when I was cleaning and on June 4

12. My memory does't "begin to end" until after the shooting, but I can't remember if the gun was in a holster or in a box

13. I fired the gun without disengaging the safety, pulling the hammer or activating the slide - it just "went off" without my finger being on the trigger

14. I bought a more powerful, more reliable gun immediately after shooting Travis with an ineffective .25 auto --I bought it to commit suicide, I bought it because I wanted to become a responsible gun owner, and I bought it because I was going gold digging with a bunch of drunk guys I didn't know

This is not a believable account in any way. Nothing about the gun story holds together even a little bit.

She changes the gun story as she goes along. you would think after sitting in jail for years she would have at least had this part of her story together. Just like the pedo photos. "Oh no pedo photos on the computer? Okay well I need to correct my statement it was photos instead yes, thats it and I took them with me because I didn't want to de-edify Travis by letting them found in his home "

 

[snowshuze]

Getting caught up this morning, and knowing the EXCELLENT sleuthers here...yall have probably noticed this!


http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/01/03/jodi-arias-evidence-photos-nancy-grace-mysteries-day-4


Sorry, adding the slide numbers: 166-168.



The blood smears and drips in the shower are 62 and 64 inches from the bottom of the shower? This does NOT line up with JAs version of events, eh?
HER versions says he wasn't in the shower when she shot him, and I seriously doubt he could have been that far upright when in her "fog" she stuffed him back in there.

 

[Nosey Parker]

She changes the gun story as she goes along. you would think after sitting in jail for years she would have at least had this part of her story together. Just like the pedo photos. "Oh no pedo photos on the computer? Okay well I need to correct my statement it was photos instead yes, thats it and I took them with me because I didn't want to de-edify Travis by letting them found in his home "

She had her story together; learnt it by heart. Trouble is, Juan and Jury keep poking holes in it, and she has to change details on the fly. That's what liars do. You can't change the truth.

:moo:

 

[Schuby]

She had no problem doing just that. She felt confident in her removing the weapons from the home and all traces of her being in AZ. Once he was discovered she would then slip into her preplanned grieving ex girlfriend role and share her pain with his friends and family. She felt confident that no one would suspect her, afterall she lived in CA and hadn't been to see travis since April 2008. No one would be suspecting her (at least she thought). If anything she couldn't wait to step into her next act.

It's not fear that would be torture. It's anticipation. She would have been dying to see the upheaval wrought by her handiwork.

 

[Schuby]

Getting caught up this morning, and knowing the EXCELLENT sleuthers here...yall have probably noticed this!


http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/01/03/jodi-arias-evidence-photos-nancy-grace-mysteries-day-4


Sorry, adding the slide numbers: 166-168.



The blood smears and drips in the shower are 62 and 64 inches from the bottom of the shower? This does NOT line up with JAs version of events, eh?
HER versions says he wasn't in the shower when she shot him, and I seriously doubt he could have been that far upright when in her "fog" she stuffed him back in there.

It also returns us to the question of how she cleaned herself up after killing him. I had been of the mind that she showered in his bathroom either before dragging him in or after while standing over his body. But once I saw that picture I realized she could not have showered there and left that streak so undisturbed.

 

[minor4th]

She changes the gun story as she goes along. you would think after sitting in jail for years she would have at least had this part of her story together. Just like the pedo photos. "Oh no pedo photos on the computer? Okay well I need to correct my statement it was photos instead yes, thats it and I took them with me because I didn't want to de-edify Travis by letting them found in his home "

Here's my theory about her ongoing additions and changes to the gun story -- she is a psychopath, right? So she really has no way of knowing what emotions and thoughts are behind the jury questions about the gun, especially since she cannot see the actual jurors asking the questions and read their expressions. She gets the deadpan reading from the judge and does not know what it means because she does not cue to normal human thoughts and emotions.

She is misinterpreting the jury questions as sincere questions seeking clarification and explanation -- since they asked about the box the gun was in, she thinks they must really believe the gun was in a box, so she just goes with it thinking she is connecting with one of the jurors. She is not careful to keep track of her story because she is misreading the cues from the questions, and you can see she answers those jury questions without even pausing or blinking or missing a beat - because she thinks she is manipulating them.

She is more cautious with Juan because she knows he is trying to convict her, so she reads malice into every single thing he asks. Since he brings up that the gun was unloaded, she adds in that it was also loaded -- on the fly, just throws that in there to respond to what she assumes is Juan's trickery. She is trying to throw him off balance, trying to win at his game, clueless to the way that she is perceived by everyone who watches her.

^^ I think this, more than anything, is why she adamantly and stubbornly denied the third gas can -- she did not want Juan to be right about this, no matter what, without concern or shame in anticipation of being exposed as flat-out lying to the jurors.

 

[Bravo]

So sorry to be asking but I have only had time to pop in here and there since yesterday. What time is Court Monday? TIA

 

[Dmacky]

I know I'm probably going to catch heck for saying this, but honestly that one moment when Jodi said her mom started carrying the wooden spoon in her purse was the ONE authentic show of emotion from her throughout this whole process. To me, she looked genuinely hurt by that and even by the retelling -- I have not seen that emotion in her before or since.

Not going to give you heck at all Minor. Everybody see's things differently, and that is the beauty of this forum :smile: I think I saw a little "emotion" myself, but for me, it came from Jodi knowing she was just about to throw her parents under the bus. I saw that ity bity tiny emotion as guilt.
Her parents didn't do anything to her that my parents didn't do to me. Mom would use whatever was in her hand at the time or she could pick up the fastest. Shoes, brushes wooden spoons :wink: I also got my butt spanked/whopped many times. I also grew up to respect my elders, and by the way still love my parents very much. What Jodi describes as abuse ? please. Her's is mild.

 

[rhondavous]

Her feet look filthy, and why is she bare footed during a police interrogation?

Didn't Samuels specialize in transgender treatment at one time? About a week ago someone speculated that Jodi might be a hermophridite. At the least, it appears she might have more testosterone than the average female. Also, this may account for TA's emails about disclosing Jodi's secret.

 

[Nosey Parker]

It also returns us to the question of how she cleaned herself up after killing him. I had been of the mind that she showered in his bathroom either before dragging him in or after while standing over his body. But once I saw that picture I realized she could not have showered there and left that streak so undisturbed.

Which makes one wonder about her using the bath tub. Clean up the scene a bit; strip off, wash down (wonder if the tub has a hand held shower head - more often used for washing dogs than the shower stall), and redress; gather bloody clothes etc. in garbage bag and tippy toe downstairs.

 

[Schuby]

So sorry to be asking but I have only had time to pop in here and there since yesterday. What time is Court Monday? TIA

10:15 AZ time

 

[Dmacky]

So sorry to be asking but I have only had time to pop in here and there since yesterday. What time is Court Monday? TIA

Attorneys and judge are meeting at 10:15- 12:15 EST, BUT JURY WILL COME LATER.
LOVE that little black Lab!!!!!

 

[Clue Finder 55]

The ever-changing, evolving gun story:

1. I found the gun when I was cleaning in the fall of 2007

2. Travis told me the gun was unloaded

3. On June 4 I jumped up on the shelf and grabbed the gun

4. I stepped on one shelf to retrieve the gun but did not use either of my hands

5. I stepped on the edge of one shelf and used my right hand on one shelf and grabbed the gun with my left hand

6. The gun was in a holster on June 4

7. The gun might have been in a box on June 4

8. I held the gun with both hands and pointed it at Travis to make him stop (even though I thought it was unloaded) <----this means she could not have been holding the knife while holding the gun which means she had to go get the knife which means premeditation

9. Travis told me the gun was unloaded and he told me it was loaded

10. Travis loaded the gun and took it somewhere

11. The only 3 times I've seen the gun were when I was cleaning and another time when I was cleaning and on June 4

12. My memory does't "begin to end" until after the shooting, but I can't remember if the gun was in a holster or in a box

13. I fired the gun without disengaging the safety, pulling the hammer or activating the slide - it just "went off" without my finger being on the trigger

14. I bought a more powerful, more reliable gun immediately after shooting Travis with an ineffective .25 auto --I bought it to commit suicide, I bought it because I wanted to become a responsible gun owner, and I bought it because I was going gold digging with a bunch of drunk guys I didn't know

This is not a believable account in any way. Nothing about the gun story holds together even a little bit.

When you hold a gun as small as a 25 auto it is quite common for a person to grip the gun to high which when fired the slider goes back and a new shell is chamberd.
If you are not holding the gun just right the slider as it goes back rubs against your hand slowing the slider down and thats one of the main reasons the gun will jam and thats probably why she couldn't fire a second time.

If you google for a picture of a 25 semi auto handgun you will see just how small these guns are (look like a toy gun) like her grandfather said to the police ivestigating the robbery of a 25 auto from their home.

She probably was going to kill him with the gun but it jammed and she had to use the knife after that.

 

[minor4th]

Not going to give you heck at all Minor. Everybody see's things differently, and that is the beauty of this forum :smile: I think I saw a little "emotion" myself, but for me, it came from Jodi knowing she was just about to throw her parents under the bus. I saw that ity bity tiny emotion as guilt.
Her parents didn't do anything to her that my parents didn't do to me. Mom would use whatever was in her hand at the time or she could pick up the fastest. Shoes, brushes wooden spoons :wink: I also got my butt spanked/whopped many times. I also grew up to respect my elders, and by the way still love my parents very much. What Jodi describes as abuse ? please. Her's is mild compared to mine.

I am sure I saw some kind of emotion, and there is no telling what it actually meant. It could have been her resistance and frustration at having to "reveal" anything seemingly flawed about herself or her upbringing - because image is everything to her.

 

[minor4th]

Didn't Samuels specialize in transgender treatment at one time? About a week ago someone speculated that Jodi might be a hermophridite. At the least, it appears she might have more testosterone than the average female. Also, this may account for TA's emails about disclosing Jodi's secret.

I believe I have also read some kind of study that found a correlation between high testosterone in females and Cluster B personality disorders. For realz :what:

 

[Wake_me]

I haven't seen any mention about the hearing that was to take place yesterday and I believe I heard it was moved until Monday. Is this the case? If so, why was it postponed? if it is taken care of quickly will the jury be brought in to continue testimony they witness?

TIA

 

[pip]

Not going to give you heck at all Minor. Everybody see's things differently, and that is the beauty of this forum :smile: I think I saw a little "emotion" myself, but for me, it came from Jodi knowing she was just about to throw her parents under the bus. I saw that ity bity tiny emotion as guilt.
Her parents didn't do anything to her that my parents didn't do to me. Mom would use whatever was in her hand at the time or she could pick up the fastest. Shoes, brushes wooden spoons :wink: I also got my butt spanked/whopped many times. I also grew up to respect my elders, and by the way still love my parents very much. What Jodi describes as abuse ? please. Her's is mild compared to mine.

The old wooden spoon was a trend with parents back then, it replaced more traditional 'belt whoopin's'. Big deal. We all got spanked or smacked with a spoon from time to time, right? I didn't know many kids who didn't (knew a few that could have used one... ) I certainly was not abused nor traumatized.. and neither was Jodi. Hogwash.

 

[Schuby]

When you hold a gun as small as a 25 auto it is quite common for a person to grip the gun to high which when fired the slider goes back and a new shell is chamberd.
If you are not holding the gun just right the slider as it goes back rubs against your hand slowing the slider down and thats one of the main reasons the gun will jam and thats probably why she couldn't fire a second time.

If you google for a picture of a 25 semi auto handgun you will see just how small these guns are (look like a toy gun) like her grandfather said to the police ivestigating the robbery of a 25 auto from their home.

She probably was going to kill him with the gun but it jammed and she had to use the knife after that.

Regardless of whether the gun jammed, I think the knife attack had to come first. What was the point of orchestrating that ridiculous photo shoot if not to get him in a defenseless (seated) position and cornered on three sides by the shower, with her blocking the only route of flight?