Jodi Arias Murder Trial - the defense continues it's case in chief-*Weekend* #90

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From what I've understood, not all of the "naughty" pics had timestamps. Do you know which ones did and which ones didn't. Besides that, what kind of play is involved in a shot of her backside and then 50 seconds later he looks like he's just woken up? What on earth could be happening? These pictures just don't make sense. Even if one assumes that they had sex. What can one narrate?

moo

The two full-lengths shots of JA didn't have time stamps. I conclude they had to be taken earlier because so little time elapsed from the crotch shots to the pic of TA lying down.

What could be happening in the crotch shot was just what TA talked about in their recorded phone conversation, and mentioned by TA in another text message. He wanted to take some pics that were "like legitimate *advertiser censored*." He expounds on that a LOT in the 1 hour 10 minute phone conversation. He wants to record himself in the act of !#$ing her, wants to show her reaction, wants to get a 69 on tape--she asks how, and he replies with a timer. He wants to show a cream pie. He explains what that is.

I'm surprised there would have been so few nude photos taken that day. She claimed they recorded a sex video with her camera, but that she deleted it. LE wasn't able to recover it.
 
[video=youtube;bux27f49T5U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bux27f49T5U&list=WLpWVTvIvP6ZCOzHhe-A8Ts2w_QI0dq_YJ[/video]

this has made my night,just happens to be a song i love aswell although the lyrics are a bit creepy...

"Oh I could throw you in the lake
Or feed you poisoned birthday cake
I wont deny I'm gonna miss you when you're gone
Oh I could bury you alive
But you might crawl out with a knife
And kill me when I'm sleeping"
 
I keep wondering what was going through her mind when she was driving to Travis' murder.

She had her phone turned off - no one to talk to but herself.
Did she sing? Was she remembering the times she and Travis shared? Was she fine tuning her murder plan? Was she even nervous?
I can't wrap my brain around this woman.
I was wondering the same thing. Then I heard her singing from the 2003 Dido "Life for Rent" album and I imagined her listening to that album and probably others, like that song she sang for Travis on May 10th (that he didn't like), the entire trip. I've always thought of the Life for Rent album as a cautionary tale, but I don't think she did. Watch all the official videos of the songs on that album, with her trip in mind, and see what you think. (if you have the time) That was the first time I thought I might understand, a little, where her head was at.
 
Indeed and his grievances were more than valid too. I've always believed Jodi moving back to Cali was part of a larger manipulative ploy. I think it served her purposes financially to not have to be fully responsible for herself. (I'm thinking its unlikely Travis was the only bridge she burned in Mesa.) But I also believe she was really expecting Travis to magically become aware of how important she *should* be to him.

When that didn't happen by May, as she assumed it would, she went to more and more drastic measures to control, intimidate, manipulate, and harass him.

JMO

BritsKate - She didn't leave willingly. He cut her off financially, threw her out and she had to go. Don't forget, she didn't just leave. She destroyed his car and subsequently stayed at his house for a few more nights before she u-hauled her azz out of there. (Typical chite for a sociopath. No shame. No pride.) I think she hatched her revenge on the one night that she had to sleep in the U-haul. She had NOTHING left and no alternate "supply" set up. She'd already chat on her Mother (who had come down to help her) and this guy was saying ok, "I'll help you out for a couple of days more but then LEAVE!"...They can't take that kind of shut off. Nope. She hatched her revenge before she ever left Mesa. Everything else after that, was "set up"!

moo
 
Your right I almost said 2 and didn't she say Travis helped her with it?

I recall her leaving at the time also.

Travis probably told her to leave. If he helped her, he was doing it to make sure she actually leaves. She left @ 1400 alright....but sneaked back in @ 1700...with her backpack carrying weapons and change of clothes. Just like she was supposed to leave in that UHaul (still can't figure out why she needed a truck, to haul what?). She left and parked it around the corner and came back in. No wonder Travis was banging his head on the closet doors.:banghead:

Seeing the camera bag laying in the hall proves to me she grabbed the bag and took it upstairs, got the camera out and caught him in the shower. When he reacted to her (totally pizzed). She dropped the camera and pulled out a knife.

I wonder when she put on his socks. She was dressed in full to not get any blood on her. Long pants, socks, etc. We don't know what her top was. My guess it was long sleeve.
 
**my apologies I am way behind and its likely this post will land randomly amidst unrelated discussion and topics**

ITA and in jumping off from this point..

IMO this is EXACTLY why/where the entire fabricated story involving the memory of a knife and a dishwasher came to be.. Once having chosen to the dump the 2 ski masked intruders story, and exchanging it for the self defense story.. she knew full well there'd be details and evidence that would require specific manipulations of where they'd originated..most importantly and most damning were 2 key pieces(i.e.the murder weapons, knife/gun) had to have their introduction into the crime remanipulated in a way that would attempt to indicate spur of the moment, unplanned, crime of passion ..that meant completely attempting to cover and conceal that these weapons were in any way whatsoever tied to, or connected to Jodi..

As we know thus bringing forth the fabrication of Travis being an illegal gun owner.. this magical gun with no past that miraculously and magically appeared and is given ownership by Travis..tho, of course no one in the universe has any knowledge of its existence EXCEPT FOR JODI.. she further believes she'll flesh out Travis' illegally owned gun as she is testifying in her first degree murder trial(ie. IMO when she on the fly attributes newly fabricated details of now Travis having loaded it in front of her and took it off on a field trip to nowhere)... moo is her arrogance and narcissism is only further exposing the psychopathic/pathological liar that she truly is by believing she's being ballsy in introducing these type details on the fly, while literally amidst her under oath testimony.. the reality couldn't be more damning in just further ensuring each and every juror feels only more confident in their firm belief of her guilt of nothing but FIRST DEGREE PREMEDITATED MURDER!

So, with her believing she's just oh so much smarter than EVERYONE including LE, attys(both Prosecution as well as her own Defense Counsel), and definitely oh so much smarter than each juror..she's of the mindset that she's successfully convinced them that the gun by which Travis Alexander died, was none other than his very own gun, in his very own master bedroom closet...

With the first of the two murder weapons easily and believably explained she moves to the other murder weapon, the knife.. the knife that stabbed him 27 times and then slit his throat ear to ear nearly fully decapitating him.. just as the gun could have zero ties or connections to Jodi, neither could the knife and thus was born the idea..

Though seconds after her fabricated gunshot to the head story the dense fog quickly set in over Jodi entirely for a very large and important window of time.. but magically through the fog, for the most briefest moment of time, she can recall through the haze and fine mist, the vaguest of memories of her placing the murder weapon, the knife inside the kitchen dishwasher...and then once again the fog rolls back in leaving Jodi with another large window of time with no clear memories other than just driving and driving for what seemed like forever.

IMO nothing could be much more glaringly obvious than the bull$hit of which these fabrications are completely made of... tho, IMO this narcissitic, horse faced, rat has such arrogance in her belief of superiority in the areas of intelligence, manipulation, AND pathological, yet believable lies that IMO she fully believes that the jury will buy the bull$hit she's heaved upon them repeatedly throughout the trial.. IMO glaringly obvious it is that she is dead wrong ..and I am strongly of the opinion that her arrogance and lies are major components that will determine that she rightfully will reap what she has sown. Death row awaits her, IMO...just like at the end of that death row sentence hell awaits her..

IMO it is none other than Jodi Ann Arias who has brought about the consequences that await her.. and IMO she damn well better believe that it is death row that is awaiting her that she will soon find to be her home sweet home...this home only to be eventually exchanged for the home sweet hell that is at the end of the line for Jodi... she definitely has a very, bright light awaiting her at the end of the tunnel.. a bright, pain searing, white-hot light flickering up from the depths of hell that await the day Arias is brought to her final home and resting place..

Rest easy Jodi and watch out for those flickering flames that you awake in the night feeling licking at the bottoms of your feet as you day by night become only closer and closer to that fiery abyss that awaits you!

Of course jmo, tho..


Well written and I share the same sentiments only, I don't think Jodi cares about her fate. I really don't think she's capable of catapulting ahead for she's so engrossed in these moment(s).

I truly think she sees life or certainly THIS trial as a game. It's like a gigantic stage. And her name is up on the marquee....co-starring Travis. She gets to write the script, set the scenes, fire the actors, edit at will and splice together a whole other program for our viewing consideration.

She values nothing. Not integrity. Not love. Not truth. Not life.

I have this vision when the verdict comes back and the foreperson reads the 1st degree premeditated murder verdict, she won't react in the slightest. She will be so far removed from the 'scene' that she'll be coexisting in some parallel universe.
And when she gets sentenced (to death)?....she'll have a smirk on her face, much like her mugshot. I can see it now.
 
I read that earlier regarding the gun, and am in complete agreement with that theory. She stated she tossed it somewhere after the murder, however, that was supposedly a gun Travis owned. The one which she actually used to kill him came from her grandparents' house, had a serial number (presumably) and I doubt she would casually toss it anywhere....let alone in Arizona, or along the route she took to get to West Jordan UT. It is more likely near Yreka, and I believe the knife (which would be her "trophy") is somewhere there also.

MOO

Given that the BLUE Kero can she purchased at Walmart never showed up, I would imagine that she filled that can (32 pounds or so) dropped in the gun and the knife and threw it into the most convenient body of water she was passing.

MOO
 
I know it is widely reported that jurors take their oath very seriously and tend to respect the admonitions of the court. But .... I dunno .... if it was me .... I am not sure if I could contain myself. I think I might have to take a peek here and there. So obviously ... I would not be a good juror.

It would drive me crazy if I couldn`t talk to someone about ALL OF THIS for 3 or 4 months. I know they will finally get the opportunity to deliberate. But, oh my goodness .... what do you DO with all of the information and thoughts that are running through your brain. Takes a lot of restraint and self-control. I just don`t know if I could do it (sigh, shrug)

That's what I'm talking about!!
Especially! considering what she's doing in court! The lies the sex!
 
Hi JJ :wave:

JA nude photo #3 reclining, full body, front, on comforter, ?on floor? - not time stamped

TA nude photo #5 on bed, ?sleeping?, KY in view - time stamped 6/4/08 01:44:50 PM

TA nude photo #7 on bed, awake, 2 fingers up - 6/4/08 1:47:15 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html?#slide=1985281

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I don't remember where, but I believe it has been stated that JA's nude photos were taken first, followed by TA's nude photos.

Yes, I think it's possible JA took all the photos, however there's some talk that a couple of them could be in the act photos, which AFAIK we haven't been told when in the time series they were taken.

I think JA may have set up the area and camera for timer shots; spread out the comforter on the floor between the armoire and windows, far side of the bed; set camera on shelf in armoire; took a few nudes of herself to test; marked the spot with something so she could replace the camera in the same spot; took the nudes of TA waking him up in the process; perhaps action shots were taken some time thereafter. JMO

There wasn't TIME for JA to take the photos of herself with a timer. And the armoire was on the opposite side of the bed from where the full-length pic of her is shown with the headboard and the rest of the bed, with TA not in it.

Thanks to the person who put this list together. It's a complete list of the photos recovered from TA's camera.

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Are there? There has been some discussion about such photos and whether they exist or are just a product of people inferring the obvious from the nudes.

Haven't seen anything of the sort so far. What could be worse than JA's mangly dangly stuff? If there were pics, at the very least (even if they weren't shown) they would have been referred to???

moo
 
She showered..no way did she show up at Ryan's house all stanky!

Truckstops along I-85 and I-75 have shower facilities. Apparently it's a take-a-number deal, 'cause I've often heard a loudspeaker say, "Number X, now available."
 
If TA's head was on the carpet and feet towards the bathroom (as testified to by the detective) in the first picture, the camera would be behind JA. She could have kicked it as she was starting to try to turn TA around to drag him back to shower (explains all the smudgey sock prints scrubbed into carpet; easier to drag him by holding under his armpits rather than by his feet) and this caused the first photo. Then as she continues turning him around she kicks it again or TA's body hits it and it turns sideways and takes that second photo.

Why not drag by the feet? Wouldn't that be easier and wouldn't it save some time?

moo
 
I believe it was Det. Flores that told her there were pictures found showing them having sex. He told her that one photo showed her on top of him and him penetrating her.
Was this on the interview? I haven't seen/heard this? Can you link us up?
 
The two full-lengths shots of JA didn't have time stamps. I conclude they had to be taken earlier because so little time elapsed from the crotch shots to the pic of TA lying down.

What could be happening in the crotch shot was just what TA talked about in their recorded phone conversation, and mentioned by TA in another text message. He wanted to take some pics that were "like legitimate *advertiser censored*." He expounds on that a LOT in the 1 hour 10 minute phone conversation. He wants to record himself in the act of !#$ing her, wants to show her reaction, wants to get a 69 on tape--she asks how, and he replies with a timer. He wants to show a cream pie. He explains what that is.

I'm surprised there would have been so few nude photos taken that day. She claimed they recorded a sex video with her camera, but that she deleted it. LE wasn't able to recover it.

Looks like she smashed up her computer hard drive also. Did that come into evidence?

Dollars to donuts, her family and BFs have some pics of hers. I bet she dropped off some personal stuff of hers to DB and MM to hold for her (just in case), she was arrested.
 
Can anyone else see Jodi developing a romantic relationship with another woman in prison or perhaps a male guard, getting jealous, and eventually killing them? I am not being dramatic when I say I would not be surprised if this happened at all. She is dangerous and a true threat to society.
 
Jodi Arias trial - Juan Martinez Dance - YouTube

this has made my night,just happens to be a song i love aswell although the lyrics are a bit creepy...

"Oh I could throw you in the lake
Or feed you poisoned birthday cake
I wont deny I'm gonna miss you when you're gone
Oh I could bury you alive
But you might crawl out with a knife
And kill me when I'm sleeping"

Didnt go thru the links broke
 
Given that the BLUE Kero can she purchased at Walmart never showed up, I would imagine that she filled that can (32 pounds or so) dropped in the gun and the knife and threw it into the most convenient body of water she was passing.

MOO

That is certainly possible. We may never know.

MOO
 
The two full-lengths shots of JA didn't have time stamps. I conclude they had to be taken earlier because so little time elapsed from the crotch shots to the pic of TA lying down.

What could be happening in the crotch shot was just what TA talked about in their recorded phone conversation, and mentioned by TA in another text message. He wanted to take some pics that were "like legitimate *advertiser censored*." He expounds on that a LOT in the 1 hour 10 minute phone conversation. He wants to record himself in the act of !#$ing her, wants to show her reaction, wants to get a 69 on tape--she asks how, and he replies with a timer. He wants to show a cream pie. He explains what that is.

I'm surprised there would have been so few nude photos taken that day. She claimed they recorded a sex video with her camera, but that she deleted it. LE wasn't able to recover it.

How could anyone WANT TO DO THIS...SICK, SICK, SICK!!
 
I know it is widely reported that jurors take their oath very seriously and tend to respect the admonitions of the court. But .... I dunno .... if it was me .... I am not sure if I could contain myself. I think I might have to take a peek here and there. So obviously ... I would not be a good juror.

It would drive me crazy if I couldn`t talk to someone about ALL OF THIS for 3 or 4 months. I know they will finally get the opportunity to deliberate. But, oh my goodness .... what do you DO with all of the information and thoughts that are running through your brain. Takes a lot of restraint and self-control. I just don`t know if I could do it (sigh, shrug)

Sydni, I've been a juror on a three-month trial and, yes, it is frustrating. But on the other hand, I knew that if I violated my oath, I would then have to remember what I knew and what I wasn't supposed to know and what I had discussed that was confidential. And I would have to live with the shame.

Add it all up and it's likely to be even more frustrating to ignore the judge's instructions. IMV, anyway.
 
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