Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[katydid23]

Good one, spcagrl !!

And if there is no evidence of a bounced check or an o/d fee, that'll be hard to explain -- but she will. grrrrrrr

:seeya:

One of the lawyers said upthread that she can just say " he lied to me then' if he did have $ in his account, and no overdrafts.

I think the best way to prove she is lying is if they can show that she owed him 699 for airline tickets. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Hi Everyone. Newbie here. I have been following this case since the first day in court. Before that I was told about it by my daughter, who is also a member, and became completely hooked. Wanted to say hello and to thank you all for having me. :newhere:

:welcome: to WS. :fireworks:

 

[elementary]

I don't know but she will have to address the gun in her testimony as she can't deny that he was shot. She will have to include it in her explanation of event and as such, JM will be able to question her about it. Where she got it...

moo

I bet she will say that she shot him first and then the gun jammed. She will want to erase the sadism of the murder in the eyes of the jury.

 

[Curious Me]

That's actually very smart thinking. Hmm.



Curious! This video had me laughing harder than I have in months! My whole family thinks I'm nuts. I was just crying with tears for 10 solid minutes and no one could figure out what was up!!!!

Oh good! Laughing is so healthy for us. Don't those goats sound human!

 

[Zeno49]

Ok. I just think semantics matter in this case. IMO, Jodi ruthlessly slaughtered a completely defenseless man. If we even hint at the possibility that there was a "fight" or that Travis fought back, we open the door to defense claims that Travis caused Jodi to be in reasonable apprehension of imminent harm.

This is precisely what the defense will maintain. It will be JA’s word that this fight and ferocious battle took place.
I believe what might dismantle this preposterous story though is TIMELINE.
Assuming that JM can elicit testimony from JA to describe in DETAIL what took place in this fight, lunge, and death struggle JA will NOT be able to piece together a fight for her life =
1) TA manages to strangle her AND then
2) JA escapes the death grip
3) AND THEN JA shoots him,
4) AND THEN he still keeps coming at her in rage AND THEN
5) JA stabs him AND THEN
6) TA keeps coming at her in rage AND THEN
7) JA cuts his throat AND THEN
8) the monster finally dies!!!!

All in under 2 minutes!!!!!

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Something I found pretty funny. You know how sometimes we put up still shots here, of JM doing his thing, to admire. In certain unnamed other sites, they have big still shots of Nurmi, I guess so they can admire him? Nuff said.

Do they have the one of him picking his nose? What did he do with it?

 

[Curious Me]

Plus, this time there's actual pictures that tell a lot of the story of a man taking a shower, wet, with no weapons.

 

[katydid23]

This is precisely what the defense will maintain. It will be JA’s word that this fight and ferocious battle took place.
I believe what might dismantle this preposterous story though is TIMELINE.
Assuming that JM can elicit testimony from JA to describe in DETAIL what took place in this fight, lunge, and death struggle JA will NOT be able to piece together a fight for her life =
1) TA manages to strangle her AND then
2) JA escapes the death grip
3) AND THEN JA shoots him,
4) AND THEN he still keeps coming at her in rage AND THEN
5) JA stabs him AND THEN
6) TA keeps coming at her in rage AND THEN
7) JA cuts his throat AND THEN
8) the monster finally dies!!!!

All in under 2 minutes!!!!!

And she manages to do it all while snapping photos of it.

 

[Curious Me]

:dunno:I'm going to get off of here before I find out what Nurmi did with his pickings. ...... fftobed:...... :escape:

 

[elementary]

Good thought, unless when she got him back into the bathroom she kicked it and it landed on the blood pool.

Shall we discuss probability here?

 

[thefragile7393]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/903257/posts

well that would probably work too in her own twisted world!

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[elementary]

Or it was kicked or knocked there sometime during the struggle.

Or it was cleaned off and tossed away by someone during a clean-up.

Or it was ejected from the gun when it finally was unjammed.

Or the ninjas threw it over there... just kidding but I am not exactly sure I want to set it to an exact time.

I believe in probability and I believe in Occam's razor. And common sense. But JA and defence attorneys would love your spin on it.

 

[KBisMe]

Shall we discuss probability here?

I think the casing being kicked is a possibility, but it seems unlikely that it would avoid contact with any other blood. It was kicked so perfectly that it landed on top of the blood without rolling, etc? I guess it's possible, but it doesn't seem all that likely. IMO

 

[elementary]

Well, I don't think Horn is going to change his testimony, and I don't think he was equivocal at all. He said he was sure the bullet would have gone through the brain.

I think the state would have had a little easier time of it if Horn had concluded that the gunshot was first -- and that's a pretty good indication that he did not tailor his testimony for the benefit of the state. If the state could theorize that the gunshot came first, then it's really easy to see that Jodi went above and beyond what would have been necessary to defend herself, even if a jury could somehow imagine that such defense was initially necessary.

However, the state is going with what the only evidence is, and that is the scientific testimony from Horn. And as many have said before me - it doesn't matter because it's clear that there was some time that Jodi was continually stabbing Travis and that he was trying to defend himself.

And she was stabbing his feet, why? I noticed the wounds in the autopsy photos.

 

[PASA]

Hi Everyone. Newbie here. I have been following this case since the first day in court. Before that I was told about it by my daughter, who is also a member, and became completely hooked. Wanted to say hello and to thank you all for having me. :newhere:

Welcome to Websleuths!!
:wagon::wagon:

 

[elementary]

The jury will be able to understand that. It isnt complex. There was no blood on the top of the casing resting in the pool of blood. It ejected.....landed on the sticky blood and stayed there.

If it had rolled there would be blood specks found on the entire casing but the top was clean as a whistle.

IMO

So often the answer (and truth) is so simple but everyone complicates it. Terrific explanation! Thanks!

 

[Zeno49]

It just came to my attention what might have been obvious to all of you!!!
Why did the defense introduce this ridiculous story of TA little boy pictures and pedophilia???
The prosecution will annihilate JA on cross exam regarding this accusation. So why did they do it??

MY ANSWER:
Way back in 2010 or earlier when JA was acting as her own council JA was working diligently on her self defense story. She developed the battered woman story as a good excuse lead in story for “attack and self defense.
OK So far so good.
But what was the reason for battering?
Well TA had a dirty little secret!
But the pornographic sex was not outrageous enough to cause TA to become enraged at JA or to motivate battering. So JA went another step and decided to make out TA to be a “sexual deviant”.
Now JA began reading the DSM while in jail about the definition of sexual deviant. She found that the sex talk and sex play JA and TA engaged in did NOT constitute “deviancy” especially because the sex was largely “consensual”. To get JA to “sexual deviancy” she had to invoke “pedophilia”. Now TA with his fetishes of oral anal sex would pass the litmus test for “deviant” if and only if he were simultaneously a pedophile. Hence JA concocted the story of TA masturbating to little boy pictures and then JA caught him in the act and then VOILA’ JA had TA confessing to . . .of all things “pedophile predisposition” .
So the circle is closed conveniently. We have TA and JA doing kinky sex. But in addition TA is discovered to be a “confirmed sad pedophile”. JA tries like a Saint to cure poor TA of his hideous penchant but is crudely rebuffed. TA flies into rage when he realizes JA has discovered the REAL TA DIRTY SECRET.
JA threatens to expose TA as Satan Incarnate – the Secret Mesa Pedophile!!!!
Now we have the “deviant” category covered and now we have the motive for TA to knock JA unconscious at the threat of being “exposed”.
Great story line for a self serving jail bird thinking through the defense of premeditated murder.

 

[Martin L]

This sounds reasonable to me, Sobe -- I originally thought she shot him first as well. Now I don't know...

Another item I would like to see on this list is when, in the midst of the three separate actions she took against him, is when TA was over the sink. He is bleeding pretty well by then, but he is still able to make it to the sink, and he was prolly standing or at least bent over the sink while on both feet. This scene would help me to more logically fit the others into the scenario.

Any ideas of when he got to the sink? Before or after which?

I think it was stab to stomach+heart in shower,,ta makes it to sink,coughs/sprays blood, ,,back of head +back of neck,defence wounds,,,staggers down hall,,stabs back,,end of hall neck slice,,flipped over and drug to shower because she didnt think there would be that much blood,'after ta is back in the shower,,air escaped and thinking ta was still alive, she shoots him ,,,just my idea

 

[elementary]

I think if Travis had been shot in the head first, the shock to the brain would have made him unable to process what was happening. He would not have been able to try and defend himself during the stabbing. The shock to the brain would not have involved only the right frontal lobe because the energy would have spread out (like ripples in water caused by a small pebble dropped in a still pond, or the spreading of an earthquake.

Good point. I think the shot was so grievous, it's hard to imagine that with that wound and then the continuous stabbing that he could have manoeuvered himself a distance away. He would have had to have been so alert to fight for survival. I can't imagine anyone doing that with a bullet to the head. Of course, this is mere speculation.

 

[Zeno49]

It was ejected when the gun was fired. The casing landed on top of a blood pool. If the gun had been fired before the stabbing occurred, the blood would be all over the casing.

MOO

I continue to argue for an alternative theory. The casing was ejected onto a clean patch of bathroom floor. THe stabbing and blood splatter occurs in bathroom and sink but away from the casing.
After the death and sandwiching TA back into shower stall JA could have kicked the casing onto a patch of blood where the casing did not roll but flipped.

Given all the activity occurring in the bathroom during the struggle and in particular after the homicide. JA spent hours in the bathroom and bedroom cleaning up THE BATHROOM and shower. Of course the casing was not in the pristine original place it started in after the gun shot.

(My argument at least)