jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #65 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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I was sure that's what I heard as well. I noted that the stool didn't look like it had been moved in the crime scene photos.

She said that when she originally "found" the gun, she had pulled the stool up and was dusting the top shelf. When she was talking about the murder day, she said she jumped up on the shelf -- not stool. She knew that the crime scene photo showed the stool right in the middle of the closet, undisturbed, so she couldn't say she used the stool on murder day.
 
... if JA shot Travis first she should have been able to better explain the situation that would also fit the bullet trajectory. Even if Travis was lying down she could have said ... after his line backer tackle she couldn't get free of his grip etc... jmo I do want to know what her reason is for the bullet ending up on top of the blood. She started to say something and Juan only let her answer yes/no. I am sure Nurmi will bring it out.

she's never said he slipped and fell as he lunged or anything like that. she's got a problem with that story, IMO. i'm sure she's got a lie ready.

i WAS thinking one thing nurmi could stick in there is that while she was in the closet, and she's rummaging around for the gun, TA MAY have slipped and fallen in the hallway which is why he didn't get to her sooner. and she couldn't say whether he did or didn't since she was in the closet with the door closed.
 
It's part of premeditation if she coaxed him into it and directed him into a vulnerable position.

Aha. Thank you. Seems pretty clear she directed him into that position anyway. Can't really think of a guy who would be all, "Why don't I sit down as the water sprays on me for the next group of shots?"
 
She said that when she originally "found" the gun, she had pulled the stool up and was dusting the top shelf. When she was talking about the murder day, she said she jumped up on the shelf -- not stool. She knew that the crime scene photo showed the stool right in the middle of the closet, undisturbed, so she couldn't say she used the stool on murder day.

Is this true of direct as well as cross?
I gotta go look.
BRB
 
Yeah...You definitely have her pegged right. I remember when JM was questioning her about dressing up like a little girl...I don't think he had that right...that she actually did it...but for some reason...maybe it was in the way that she responded...I got the feeling that she wanted to correct him and say, "No, I didn't dress up like a little girl-braids yes, dress-up, no. EXCEPT!!! She couldn't because it goes to all the degrading things she "felt" she needed to do for him in order to please him. Gag me!

All that stuff is so ridiculous .. I don't know who she thinks she is trying to convince .. Who hasn't done the naughty schoolgirl fantasy dress up? It's an absolute norm I'd suggest, and there's nothing particularly kinky about it, and it definitely doesn't mean the guy is in any way a pedo .. sheesh!! From what we have heard about the jury they don't sound like full on conservative types anyway, and let's be honest about role play in sex, it's usually the most conservative people who do the kinkiest things behind closed doors.

Even if Travis wanted Jodi to dress up as a priest while he 'defrocked' her it would mean absolutely nothing.
 
She said that when she originally "found" the gun, she had pulled the stool up and was dusting the top shelf. When she was talking about the murder day, she said she jumped up on the shelf -- not stool. She knew that the crime scene photo showed the stool right in the middle of the closet, undisturbed, so she couldn't say she used the stool on murder day.

she also said she didnt use her hands to get up there....just her feet..:notgood:
 
Not sure if this is what you're asking but the "sociopath" text message was entered into evidence.

In his text message calling her a sociopath he refers to an email he sent her that he says she hasn't read yet. That email is what I would like to see!

moo
 
I can't believe a juror would even waste their time asking her a question, I know I wouldn't.


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Well we definitely agree that she didn't intend to commit suicide. And I agree it doesn't make sense that she would go to through all that to cover up her whereabouts. Unless she was unsure of how things would turn out thus unsure of her total plan. Maybe she was covering all her bases, knowing she might not be able to follow through with shooting herself.

Otherwise, I'm left with the assumption that she wanted the gun to use to get Travis into a submissive state and to exert more control over him until she could inflict the first stab wounds. I don't think she would have carried a knife if she hadn't intended to use it, and use it she did. Some have mentioned they thought she may have run downstairs to get the knife when the gun jammed. I don't think this would have been the case, as there wasn't enough time to do that. She had to have already had the knife at the ready. jmo

Yea, I don't think she left during the murder to get it, but I can see her getting it in the moments leading up, or anytime beforehand. Maybe she changed her mind from shooting to stabbing once she realized that he wasn't going to change his cancun plans.
 
Why did Arias dig in on the whole "I didn't have to talk him into taking the photos this time"/shaving point in Thursday afternoon's testimony?
That whole exchange gave me a gigantic headache. I think I understand why...Jodi, in only true Jodi fashion, was talking about two separate incidents with Detective Flores...rambling in other words, it kinda got blended in the retelling. Regardless, the story about shaving was out of sync with Jodi's time line of events as far as the day was concerned. Travis had said that he was going up to shave...Jodi was hanging around downstairs at that point. But according to Jodi, the sexapade wasn't all that enjoyable 'cause Travis needed to shave. And, forgive me if I'm wrong...but the supposed romp happened later. Sheesh...I just gave myself a headache thinking about it.
 
I do too, but then he goes and has sex with her and starts the cycle all over again...

Oh, no question.

We've all heard of friends with benefits.

IMO, she was to him, by this time, just a free quickie before he goes to Cancun and continues to distance from her, unless she just happens to show up now and then with Pop Rocks and Tootsie Pops.

E.g., after she moves to back to Yreka, how many trips did he make to see her there?

He was all but done with her, except when she was physically there, naked and begging for his flesh, 'adjusting' his anatomy, cajoling and seducing him with augmented breasts and alluring lines like "I want to **** you like a dirty, horny little school girl."

Some of us were thirty years old, once.

Don't you think if he had it to do over again...
 
Just to clarify, that is an excerpt from a book being written.

I just read this. It jumped out at me that Travis and Jodi only knew each other a year and a half! I don't know why I had not done the math before, and I knew that they were only "official" for 5 months -- but for some reason I've always had in my mind that they knew each other for 3 or 4 years.

That's just totally crazy that they only knew each other for such a short time. Completely undermines the "battered woman" tale even more.
 
she's never said he slipped and fell as he lunged or anything like that. she's got a problem with that story, IMO. i'm sure she's got a lie ready.

i WAS thinking one thing nurmi could stick in there is that while she was in the closet, and she's rummaging around for the gun, TA MAY have slipped and fallen in the hallway which is why he didn't get to her sooner. and she couldn't say whether he did or didn't since she was in the closet with the door closed.

:floorlaugh: Then her time frame would really be blown all to heck...well it already is...
 
Thank you for posting that. I thought a 25 was a revolver(?). Is a 25 considered a semi-automatic? Is there recoil with this type of gun? So sorry. I have no idea about guns. And what exactly does the 25 refer to? Thank you for helping me understand. I have no one to ask

It is a semi
A semi-automatic firearm fires a single bullet each time the trigger is pulled. The weapon can be loaded with magazines containing various numbers of bullets
It is only accurate at close range and I use accurate loosely LOL At 5 feet the most ..and it has no real stopping power. It has no recoil to speak of . Recoil is up and down movement in your hand ...This is not a POWER weapon..Not a Manly Man gun..Hubby says no Guy is gonna go out and buy a 25.
25 is the size of the barrel .25 = 1/4 inch ..I think LOL ...
Kinda like the size of an eraser head on a pencil //

a revolver is as it sounds
A revolver or six-shooter (as most revolvers have a maximum capacity of six rounds) is a handgun that has a cylinder containing multiple chambers and at least one barrel for firing.

A single-action revolver requires the hammer to be pulled back by hand before each shot, which also revolves the cylinder.
I am no expert but that is the best I can explain ..

I am sure someone else can expand on it for me...
 
she also said she didnt use her hands to get up there....just her feet..:notgood:

Correct, and how pray tell would that even be possible unless she's Michael Jordan? Obviously she's trying to come up with a story that explains the absence of finger prints and the absence of anything on any shelf being even slightly disturbed.
 
So can they be used as evidence? Like his text messages?

Not a lawyer, but I understand that this will often vary by case.

Due to the unreliability of hearsay, as TA is not able to be called to testify about what he said/wrote/texted/emailed, etc. there will usually be limits.

At issue is that JA's counsel has no opportunity to question the deceased witness, if you will.

I know, I know... Whose fault is that?

Minor4th can speak to this.
 
I think the Dateline show suggests the type of conversation that took place, so here's my guess:

We learn from the show that Travis had already been to the bishop to "set his life back on the right track." I suspect that he was counseled/warned but no action had been taken, meaning he had not been disfellowshipped or excommunicated. Now he has failed again to control himself because his succubus showed up. He is very disappointed in himself. You can see the disappointment and sadness in his face in the shower. This is not a man who is cheerfully posing for sexplay photos or even "one last time tastefully to remember you by" muscle shots. I am guessing he is running out of patience because he has repeatedly asked her to leave before his roommates get home...reminding her yet again that she is just his dirty little secret.

She asks for a couple of sitting shots and promises to be on her way. She take a couple of shots without the flash, crouching beside him. They are talking. He tells her he has been to the bishop after she left. He promised the bishop he would stay away from her. He tells her that the next level of discipline would be for the church to take action against his membership and he is unwilling to lose the thing that means the most to him in the world for her... and he gets stern. She is dressed, removed her luggage, and here she is back again when he specifically asked her to LEAVE. He tells her she has no respect for the wishes of others. He has violated his privacy again and again, he knows she is stalking him, slashed his tires, and he has never reported it to the police or the bishop, but now he is drawing the line. He tells her that if she contacts him again, he will report to the police the money she stole from his bank account. Get the hell out, he says, and I never want to see you again. She stands and (closes the door or not) and takes a last picture with the camera at waist level. He has a wtf look of fear on his face because that's when he first sees the gun in her right hand. FLASH! She shoots him right in the face.

(two weeks ago a WS poster magnified his pupil and posted a photo which clearly shows her standing silhouette and the camera flash very clear at waist level, the camera being unmistakably in her right hand on the right side of her body... leaving her left hand to hold the gun. )

because she has only seen gunshots in movies, she is unprepared for him to react by lunging at her, screaming. He's lunging at the gun, not the camera. The camera shoots the ceiling because he's coming at her and she's taken by surprise, perhaps he is even coming in low like she demonstrated. He's supposed to collapse, dead on the spot and she's horrified. He's on the ground writing and screaming now, she tries to shoot him again, gun jams, she runs to get the knife. She comes back and he is at the sink saying "Call the neighbors." He doesn't realize even yet that he was shot on purpose. He is looking in the mirror but blood is in his eyes. He splashes water on his face.

She attacks him stabbing and we know the rest.

That sounds right to me, except that he does not splash water on his face. The water at the edge of the sink was from the water dripping from his face and hands as he propped himself over the sink. If he ran the water, the blood in the sink would not have dried that way ... it had landed into a dry sink.

Also, since the camera was built for only right-handed operation, and JA is a leftie by nature, she would wield the gun in her left hand, hoping for a nice clean death in the shower with one shot.

She may have had the gun tucked in her waistband behind her back, as they do in the movies (as they were both movie buffs).

She had not contemplated the gun jamming, as she told Flores that if she had it in her to kill Travis, she would shoot him and keep shooting until he was dead. If you are only imagining a hypothetical situation, who would say that they would keep on shooting until they were dead? I would just say that I would shoot them. Period.

I also think that the camera and the shell casing got kicked around during the bloody scuffle down the hallway where Travis finally "stopped", as JA truthfully testified that "he wouldn't stop", although her version was meant to suggest that he would not stop attacking her, when in fact he wouldn't stop moving away from her, and he wouldn't stop breathing/living.
 
she also said she didnt use her hands to get up there....just her feet..:notgood:

And when asked why nothing on the shelves was disturbed, she claimed her feet were only on the front edge. It's amazing to watch her say ludicrous things instantly and w/o batting an eye.

Re her stealing money from Travis, an excerpt from TA's last blog post May 18:

"The phrase “Gold Digger” has come to mean in our society a man or a woman who marries for money, usually as an easy road to material gain with out any effort or productivity of their own. To reap what you have not sown is no better than a thief, mooch or a looter."
 
Oh, no question.

We've all heard of friends with benefits.

IMO, she was to him, by this time, just a free quickie before he goes to Cancun and continues to distance from her, unless she just happens to show up now and then with Pop Rocks and Tootsie Pops.

E.g., after she moves to back to Yreka, how many trips did he make to see her there?

He was all but done with her, except when she was physically there, naked and begging for his flesh, 'adjusting' his anatomy, cajoling and seducing him with augmented breasts and alluring lines like "I want to **** you like a dirty, horny little school girl."

Some of us were thirty years old, once.

Don't you think if he had it to do over again...

Jodi was not going to let him go. I really don't think there's anything Travis could have done to avoid his fate at that point. If he hadn't let her in or had sex with her, she would have found another way. She was not just going to give up and get on with her life - she would have become more obsessed and determined, and she would have found a way to kill him.
 
she's never said he slipped and fell as he lunged or anything like that. she's got a problem with that story, IMO. i'm sure she's got a lie ready.

i WAS thinking one thing nurmi could stick in there is that while she was in the closet, and she's rummaging around for the gun, TA MAY have slipped and fallen in the hallway which is why he didn't get to her sooner. and she couldn't say whether he did or didn't since she was in the closet with the door closed.

wouldn't that be speculation? I thought that wasn't allowed?
 
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