jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #66 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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det. flores said it was obvious as soon as he entered the house. but then he knows that smell. they didn't. they thought it was the dog. even if they'd been concerned about a bad smell, TA wasn't home---they assumed he was out of town----so there was nothing they could really do about it.

Also, by the time Det. Flores got there, the bedroom door had been opened. I seem to recall others saying that in June it would have been really hot and the air conditioning would have been on high, possibly affecting how much the smell was noticeable beyond a closed door.
 
This must be contagious. I was up until 3:00AM last night re-watching Juan's cross examination of Jodi. I'm neglecting my children--giving them junk food to eat after school just so they will be occupied and quiet for a minute so I can watch the afternoon court session:blushing:--I feel like I'm only interested in this case & it's outcome!

If the sentence is death the outcome should be awesome. I hope someone gets a picture of her face at the exact moment the word "Death" is read.
 
Can someone please explain how to upload an image. When I push the insert image icon it says to type in the url. I want to upload from my photos.....help please:please::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I click on "choose file" and a window opens up to pictures saved on my computer then I choose the image from there and upload.

Just make sure they are not too large or they will blow the margins. HTH
 
I am thinking that if we go back to Juan on cross and listen to all of the times he says to JA "are you sure", then he moves on to something else......he has evidence to prove other wise and will do so......example:
Are you sure TA's hand wasn't in the closet door when you say you slammed it? Are you sure his foot wasn't in the door when you slammed it? (because the closet would have been to DARK to see the dang shelves ) Are you sure about the rope? (there was no rope)

anyway....I don't think they had sex that day either.....showing him clean shaven proves that there was "no stubble that hurt during oral".....there was no oral that day.....I agree that the ky was staged in the pics.....I think she snuck in the house, went to the office, took the camera, left the camera bag OUTSIDE the master bedroom door....surprised him when he was in the shower.....if she had arrived like she said she did and parked in the center parking spot....a roommate would have seen the car....roommate Zach I think it was said that he saw TA on the 5th in the morning is passing as he was leaving, but I think he was mistaken and meant on the 4th, because he couldn't have seen him on the 5th, he was dead by that time....so if Zach saw him on the 4th as he was leaving the house, he would have known that JA was there.....I do not think that TA knew she was even there that day....she got on his pc and pulled up the youtube videos, etc.....I pray that Juan has all the evidence he needs to pull out ALL of her lies!! I even dreamed last night that there were pics showing other things TA did that day that were deleted, but taken at the same time as the nude photos. I think her arrival is more like in the afternoon, not the early morning hours she speaks of. She prob watched him thru the window clean the carpet or tile downstairs, clean the house....then up to take a shower.....the nude photos, not sure how they got on his camera, but I am sure there is an explanation somewhere....GO
JUAN!!

I started out believing he knew nothing of her planned visit - she took him by surprise while he was sleeping, and a hostage situation (gun in hand) existed. Later, I changed my mind to the scenario somewhat as you are describing, that he did not know she was coming, and she stalked him right up until the time he took his fatal shower.

I am now convinced, until Juan shows me otherwise, that the nude/sex photographs were somehow manipulated by her to appear to have been taken on that afternoon. She may be a lousy photographer but she knows her way around a camera; cell phones; and computers. I don't find the 'poses' in the shower staged - it has always looked to me like a guy taking a shower. I have never seen a Calvin Klein ad that bares any resemblance to those pictures. The first time he saw her June 4th was when she either shot him or stabbed him. IMO

ETA: I am not saying the shower pictures were manipulated. They were taken, for some sick reason, right up until the time he saw her.
 
This case has taken up so much of my time it's a little embarrassing. It's gotten to the point where I'm ordering out now almost every night. I've sat through my sons tournament reading here and posting, put off getting medical care, ducked friends and families phone calls....

I think I need an intervention, but I think I'm in the wrong place! .lol!

I've rescheduled my physical therapy sessions. When asked why I was putting them off I replied vaguely "family situation". Yes, I lied.
 
This must be contagious. I was up until 3:00AM last night re-watching Juan's cross examination of Jodi. I'm neglecting my children--giving them junk food to eat after school just so they will be occupied and quiet for a minute so I can watch the afternoon court session:blushing:--I feel like I'm only interested in this case & it's outcome!


yes it's quite absorbing for me as well. have to pull myself away from computer & tv . . . . .much as i love how compelling this trial is, i really just want this to be OVER so Hodi can face the music..
 
I've rescheduled my physical therapy sessions. When asked why I was putting them off I replied vaguely "family situation". Yes, I lied.

HAHA...I did the same thing. Cancelled a doctor appointment telling the lie that I had "stomach issues". Wasn't about to miss JM's grilling.
 
I totally agree with you, rose222.

In looking at those pics, my first impression was that those are self portraits, the ones on (what looked like to me) the floor of her naked with the pigtails and the spread eagle shot, she did those. She was testing the camera with the timer and they turned out out of focus. Travis did not take those pics of her, but she'll have everyone trying to believe it was him. The Brazilian bum shot was done by her, too. Even that photo of him on the bed with the peace sign, (two fingers) was at a screwy angle from probably his night stand, she did not want him to know she was taking it. Per Jodi, as it was, she said she had a hard time convincing about taking the photos in the shower. JMO
 
Flores said TA talked to his roommate on June 4th?

Do you remember what time?

Do you have a link to that by any chance?

it's in det. flores's investigative report that katie posted. roommate enrique cortez says he talked to TA the morning of the 4th and TA mentioned the conference call he was supposed to have that evening. he told enrique he hadn't slept but 45 minutes.
it took me forever to find this---it's a supplemental report and it's at the end of the link.


http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.c...tionreport.pdf
 
I can't wait for verdict day. I'm thinking too far ahead I know but once the defense rests things should speed up. I hope I don't miss the verdict being read out live because it's night for me when it's day for you folks in the USA. But no matter. I will sleep during the day and stay awake during the night. I don't expect too many days like that. Jury will make a quick decision that will keep JA in prison for the rest of her crummy life.
 
Stephanie,Thanks so much for taking the time to write this out.I am going to look at the pictures to see what you mean.Do you think she slit his throat in a symbolic kind of ritual?
yes (a P.I.) I am sorting through the photos, It occurred to me the nude photos of her in provocative poses were taken by her with the camera timer. She even took a photo of him at 1:44:50 where he is asleep. Her nude shots are before that so he was not taking them of her.

My original thought was she got there and he willingly engaged in sexual activity and there was consensual "whatever" that afternoon, but now I am not so sure what exactly went on.

Pretty much everything she says is a lie, especially what she really can't help to beat into the ground and make sure she has said over and over like she does not know how to operate his camera, she was not proficient at it. Why keep saying that? Then I realized the very provocative shots of her nude and from the back she took of herself and he was sleeping. So when Mr. Martinez says things like (and her attorney) then you took photos of each other) and she says "Yes" She is lying, he did not take photos of her? SHE took photos of herself and of him.

This is telling me she was either not getting what she wanted from him in bed this trip so she wants to document it for use later. Of course as an amateur photographer she will take any date stamps off easily so she can say these were taken any old time (certainly not the day of the murder) She took a picture of him while he is asleep and she placed the KY Lubricant bottle next to him. I fully believe that is staged. I'm not saying they did not use it for "something", but I now realized she staged these photos. If she staged them, then "why?" They are deleted from the camera so I am pretty sure it was "him" that made her delete the nudes. In doing that, she then knew how to delete. Later on, she deleted the two incriminating shots of him down and bleeding and the ceiling shot because she now knew how to delete photos.

I start by asking myself what is there physical evidence they had sex? No. Did they take their clothes off? Yes. Are there any photos of them in the shot together? No. Any with semen in the shot (on her, on the sheets)? No. Prior to this surprise visit to Travis in AZ did he visit his Bishop to begin cleansing himself of sins to get back on track with Church? Yes.

Would being nude in the room with her be sinning? Yes, but not a major sin, I don't think they had sex and I think that angered her even more that day. She always got that from him. Previously to this day, she was always able to get him to want to be with her, have sex with her. That day? I am convinced they did not. I think he was suspicious of her, I think he was not happy that he woke up and she took nude pictures of him, which he had her delete. I feel confident he did not go further with her sexually given the nature of the long email he sent her only 1.5 weeks prior. He may have rightfully figured she can't be trusted, she will get pregnant this time, my life will be over.

This is now 2:00pm upstairs in his room. Photos in the shower begin at approximately 5:20pm so 3.5 hours from the nude photos she took that got deleted.

The shower photos in my opinion are somewhat forced. Their day is over, she is actually dressed between 2pm and 5pm. He could be just trying to get her to leave, indicating roommates are coming back or he has to go somewhere. I can see her anger build as she was trying to find the right moment when she had him vulnerable. She may have contemplated killing him on the bed while he slept after she took nudes, but he woke up. She waited a few more hours. She was dressed and talked him into photographing him in the shower but they look forced to me. I am still not convinced he did not get in the shower and he thought she left but she didn't. She shows up in the bathroom door with her gun and knife, dressed.

There is no way with a gun and knife he would charge her, he'd be a dead man. All of the photos could have been taken at gunpoint. When she made him sit down and cross his legs he may have thought he would just be shot but she plunged the knife into him.
 
This has probably been discussed in length, but the gate on the stairs that was up has me a little confused. If anyone can direct me to the posts discussing it would be great.

My ASSUMPTION is the gate was placed on the stairs while TA was not home so the dog stayed downstairs? Then the dog had free roam of the house? That would signal to the roommates that TA was not home and why they didn't look for him regardless of smell or anything else?

Or was the dog confined downstairs all the time, with no free roam? I seem to recall that JA mentioned Napoleon being in the bedroom at some point, but again JA said it.

I just was wondering if the gate was also a sign of premeditation. She placed the gate there to keep the dog downstairs when she came back in or went back upstairs, knowing the roommates would assume TA was not home. It sounds like, even with texts shown in court, TA would get rides with 'peeps', so his car being there didn't mean a lot to them, especially with the looming Cancun trip.

IDK, sometimes, I think too much! The whole premeditation thing has me worried..did JM do enough, illicit enough from JA to prove it? To me its the million dollar question. At this point, a confession and all the lies exposed, overkill (force with like force did not occur here) etc LWOP seems an easy result. Premeditation? We have the trip, the gas cans, the cell phone turned off in AZ...the AZ part almost being blanked out, the robbery at her grandparents. Seem logical for premeditation. But where is the 'smoking gun' as it were? The one thing that leaves no question/reasonable doubt?

Kelly

A "smoking gun" isn't needed in a legal sense. Too many people watch crime shows and expect real crimes and court procedures to be like that. Most crimes and trials do not contain this element and there are many on juries who expect this-with sometimes bad results. They don't get what the meaning of reasonable doubt is.

Juan has already shown what needs to be shown to show premeditation. In his closing argument he will likely bring out more things, tie up a few loose ends, and thats it. After that hopefully the jury will understand what their instructions are.
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I haven't caught up on the discussion from last night or today but just finished watching the Dateline video from Friday night. I hadn't watched it because I tuned in to CNN for the program with Randi Kaye, Beth Karas, Vinnie Politan. It was worthwhile in case you haven't seen it. Link to transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1303/02/acd.01.html

It's probably been discussed here at some point, but I don't recall having read/heard about where Travis' roommates were on June 4 or how Jodi knew that they wouldn't "interrupt" the afternoon delight or catch Jodi murdering Travis and cleaning up afterwards. I seem to remember that one roommate was there for a while in the morning but left the house while Jodi and Travis were there. Where was the other roommate, and, again, how did Jodi know that she and Travis would be alone for several hours while she carried out her evil plan.
 
No one answered by question. Please, does anyone remember the compound question Juan asked Jodi, and more importantly, did Nurmi ask her any compound questions? Thanks!!
 
Steely I saw your question (feel free to post any questions on Tricia's thread above for the radio show tonite too!).

I think at this point the defense is pointed on garnering any kind so sympathy or compassion to save her life. They're not stupid they know the deck is way stacked against them.

I think he will be less focused on content and more focused on coaching her and making her appear sympathetic. But of course I believe it's too late and she will be convicted and sentenced to death.
 
I've rescheduled my physical therapy sessions. When asked why I was putting them off I replied vaguely "family situation". Yes, I lied.

It could be 'construed' as the truth in an 'indirect sort of way.'
 
Oh, it wasn't subconscious at all... have you read his texts from April and May of 2008? Less than a month before he was murdered by her, he had her pegged and I think it was a fatal mistake to let her know how accurate he was.

For example:
These are all FROM Travis TO JA
April 2008 (I think - if not, its close)
(illegible) you have that
information. its 15 minutes it
would take to gt the info.
But you won't take 15
minutes. Why because it is
an Fing lie. So either text
me you that you are ready
to tell the truth or give me
your imaginary friend with
the worst BS story you have
ever told or leave me alone.
Its a lie like no other. It is
freaking foolish. There is no
way out of it, you have
screwed up your story so
bad you can't mend it. You
are caught. When will you
realize that. I do not know.
You have til tomorrow. to
have me this persons
information before I tell all
of the hughes' leslie udy,
the freemans, your parents
and anyone else that
matters about all the crazy
things you have done. So
either fess up or feel the
wrath. No matter how bad
the truth is I promise you
the punishment will be
better than the lie. This is
worse than your magical
email that a mysterious man
you've never seen before
wrote for you. You insult me
by thinking ill believe such
crap. nothing else from you
til the truth. I already know
your lying so why continue.
After tomorrow, its gonna
get real bad for you. Time to
spit it out.
-----------------------------
These 3 are all part of one long text,
no replies from JA in between:
05/26/08 at 07:59:15am
I sent you a response to
your dire conversation, that
I hope youread because
you need to read it. Maybe
it will spark human emotion
in you, something that only
seems to exist when it
comes to your own
problems. But everyone
else is just a part of your
sick agenda. By the way,
your pic comment to Danny
Jones makes you look like a
pure *advertiser censored*, even more to
the people who know you.
You should be embarrassed
by it. If he knew what I knew
about you he'd spit in ur
face. Sow ould everyone
else. I have never never in
my life been hurt so bad by
someone. But why do I
even say it because you
don't care. It doesn't serve
your evilness.
05/26/08 at 08:35:02am
You couldn't get off your
lazy butt to to read it could
you. That's the sociopath (I)
know so well. it freakin
figures
05/26/08 at 09:11:11am
I don't want your apology I
want you to understand
what I think of you. I want
you to understand how evil I
think you are. You are the
worst thing that ever
happened to me.

I had never read these! Wow! He described the real Jodi to a T! Are these on Websleuths to read? She arrived in the middle of the night. Did he not have his door locked and she just let herself in while he slept? She said he was on the computer. I doubt it. If he had the door locked I wonder why he ever let her in. I so wish he would have called the police but having lived in Mesa, without proof they very well would not have even shown up. On two different occasions when we were fearful, the police would not come.
 
A "smoking gun" isn't needed in a legal sense. Too many people watch crime shows and expect real crimes and court procedures to be like that. Most crimes and trials do not contain this element and there are many on juries who expect this-with sometimes bad results. They don't get what the meaning of reasonable doubt is.

Juan has already shown what needs to be shown to show premeditation. In his closing argument he will likely bring out more things, tie up a few loose ends, and thats it. After that hopefully the jury will understand what their instructions are.
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I think in this case we have a smoking closet. If they don't buy she leapt in to the air to get that nonexistent gun, it's premeditation and first degree. Travis' neat closet is him speaking from the grave.
 
For a Mormon man?

I'm not a Mormon but I don't think they proscribe this. There are a lot of rules relating to sexual activity, but I don't think there's anything against shaving/waxing. You can say that shaving/waxing is "related" to sexual activity, but, really, there's no way to prove that. I do think Mormons frown on tattoos and piercings (except for women's ears, and then only once), but I don't think it's actually something that could get you kicked out or anything. JMO
 
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