Another whopper as she then indicated she surprised him in his office. And wouldn't Travis have smelled the gas ?Yes, she said he helped her bring her luggage in when she arrived.
Forgive me, I've followed this case for what feels like forever, but I'm going through a massive Crohn's flare so my trial watching is spotty but I'm here. I'm pretty sure I caught Arias saying she got a quickie Brazillian in Salinas? TMI, but no way. I've gotten them, and you can't do them that quick because sometimes it irritates your skin. And it's not a quick thing nor a cheap thing. Wouldn't she need an appointment? She made it sound on direct like she waltzed in to some strip mall and got her nails done. Nails, assuming hair, and Brazillian require money and appointments which IMO prove premeditation.
Also about the shower she makes a mistake by saying "we took a shower" not we took our showerS after sex. Then she corrects it.
Jodi Arias Trial - Day 24 - Part 6 - YouTube
when do we get to hear the questions from the jury-?
also can someone please direct me to katiecoo's observations on the court observer's thread?
And for the Jury to find Premeditation, they only need to agree that for a mere second... yes 1 second, she had a forethought that she would kill him..
She would do "something, anything" along the line of put this in the car, decide to drive there and give him 1 chance to marry me, take a gas can and not leave a trace of me in AZ.
Any one moment of planning however small of someones demise, and she had the "pre" meditated.. "pre" thought that she would not leave with him alive..
And that is premeditation. It can even come AFTER she is there and says to herself "oh no you didn't just say Mimi a 4th time..that's it! 3 was ok, 4 is now, he we go Travis"
I will be stunned in disbelief that this jury does not find at least one small event or thing she did to meet the requirement for premeditation.
How much more planning would they need to see? the text to herself on the Iphone calendar "JUNE 4, 2008 - Kill Travis"
My faith is in this Jury, the Prosecutor and the State of Arizona.. really, they don't mess around there.
Fortunately I don't know what its like in her head. Unfortunately I do know what its like living with someone eerily similar though so I'll offer this up, fwiw.
First think of psychopathy like your personality. You're made up of all bits and pieces and so is Jodi. For the most part you're good and rule abiding, right?But every so often you can be naughty or do something wrong - which leads you to feeling guilty, embarrassed or perhaps even ashamed.
Jodi can't feel those emotions the same as you or I. She feels an insatiable anger almost constantly. But years of living with humans has taught her it isn't acceptable to show her anger and its level. She learns by default it isn't normal and though she can't feel guilt, shame or embarrassment herself she does learn that humans don't like to feel them. So she adapts because she has no other choice. She studies the humans around her and learns what joy, fear, heartbreak, loss, embarrassment and every other conceivable human emotion look like. She looks human. She sounds human. Everyone seems to believe she is human. So she learns at a very early age how to pretend to emote as a human.
Because of her psychopathy it only matters to Jodi what she wants and what makes her feel good. She cannot feel empathy or put others first for their own benefit. Everything in her world must revolve around her. She learns to manipulate and control in order to facilitate this. She is adept at it due to her psychopathy. In a way she is even 'programmed' to easily prey on others. No conscience and no empathy. The extreme greed and selfishness of only her really every mattering. She'll use every trick she can think of, engineer any event - all to make people more reliant on her, more trusting of her, more compassionate of her, more giving to her. Ultimately it is always, always about her.
As long as things go Jodi's way she can be affable and charming. Once she is challenged though she becomes a hotbed of psychological manipulators only designed to make humans feel bad and comply with whatever she wants. Either way they will often stop challenging her though - which is the important part. Push her further still and she struggles with keeping up the pretense of being human. When the mask slips on a psychopath even the 'worst' human traits can't describe them. It's beyond jealousy, vindictiveness or even rage. It's something so cold, so animalistic it sparks a flight response in humans. (You may not recognize what you're seeing - it is purely instinctual to get away from it for self-preservation.)
When Jodi is hopping all over herself on the witness stand we are witnessing her true disorder at play. Psychopaths just cannot withstand scrutiny and challenging day after day, while trying to remember their lies, and also attempting to maintain their facade. Because it is so foreign to how we humans feel it can border on incomprehension seeing them in that state. In reality when you look at it like a juggling act it becomes perfectly clear how difficult what she is doing really is - and how unfathomable for any human being to be capable of the same. We really are different species.
(Yee gatz. Sorry for the novel. Again. :blushing![]()
Watch when Juan goes for a drink, she does too. I only noticed it the past couple of days.In the replay of the 48 Hours she talks about how TA "mirrored and matched" her demeanor when they met. I seem to remember once hearing that this is what sociopaths do - they copy the behavior of people they want to get close to . . . "mirror and match". I'm pretty sure this is what JA has always done but I find it interesting that she seems to think this is what everybody does. I guess, being a sociopath, you don't realize how different you really are.
A bit off topic, but tangentially related. My ex used to get me in these Jodi-like convoluted discussions, say outrageous things, argue in a really maddening fashion. When I finally would lose patience, I would be the one to raise my voice. Trump! He would immediately say "wow, you're acting really crazy". And I was---but it was after a concerted effort on his part to get me there, and BINGO---we were no longer talking about him or the issue at hand, but my "crazyness".
:banghead::banghead::banghead:
Gaslighting, crazy-making. It's a technique and it works. Unless you're Juan.
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Isn't that interesting that JVM thinks JM is yelling. Has JVM ever listened to herself, she yells all the time, to the point I can't listen to her. Sorry, but I think her brain turned to mush a long time ago.:moo:
I really don't find ANY of the jurors seeming sympathetic to JA in the ways I see it. But there was that "navel intelligence" Janine Driver spoke about regarding how people will regard someone's importance.
I've not been really worried about any juror except one and my feeling has changed on him in the last couple of weeks.
Forgive me, I've followed this case for what feels like forever, but I'm going through a massive Crohn's flare so my trial watching is spotty but I'm here. I'm pretty sure I caught Arias saying she got a quickie Brazillian in Salinas? TMI, but no way. I've gotten them, and you can't do them that quick because sometimes it irritates your skin. And it's not a quick thing nor a cheap thing. Wouldn't she need an appointment? She made it sound on direct like she waltzed in to some strip mall and got her nails done. Nails, assuming hair, and Brazillian require money and appointments which IMO prove premeditation.
Totally agree. Today will be big (and horrible for the family).
I've reached the conclusion that the Cancun trip itself was not some huge trigger for the murder. I no longer think that she went to AZ with any hope or intention of talking TA into taking her.
I think he cut her off completely enough in mid-late May that she knew she had no hope of worming herself back into his real life. I don't believe that TA knew she was coming at all, or that if he did it was at her insistence and for some lame reason like she was dropping off a check.
Yes they had sex, but I can also see her coaxing him into it by saying one more time, just for old time's sake. I look now at that last photo of him alive in the shower, and maybe I'm reading into it, but I see an expression bordering on anger and certainly of impatience. Like, just get the h--ll out of my face, out of my shower, out of my house, out of my life.
My thought was....the attorney told you they record these but he didn't tell you not to talk to the police without a lawyer...? :what:
This trial is really starting to get to me. Earlier today I made a Jodi sim in Sims 3. I drowned her in the pool.