jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 12TH DAY #60 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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That and when he said something about her pussy in court. :floorlaugh:

I felt a distinct shock when I heard Juan utter that word. And that was after he called a Brazilian "cosmetic attention to your pelvic region".
:blushing::blushing::blushing::blushing::blushing:
 
rrrrrrrrrrrrrright.

;)

Saw some teenage kids skateboarding in the school parking lot while picking up my daughter yesterday ... just for grins, I asked them if they carry screwdrivers around ... response "For what boss ?"
 
I hadn't caught that. What an ego to think Travis was "mirroring" her! From everything we have learned about Travis, he had a very strong, funny, confident, generous personality. No way would he be mirroring someone else.

The only one 'mirroring' is Jodi Arias. She has been 'mirroring' human beings all her life. :furious:
 
I want to say something about this, because I think it's drawn from the idea that because they face her, they feel sympathy for her or whatever. I want to point out that I'm a woman and I would face Jodi during cross to see her reactions - not because I feel sympathy, because I don't, but because I'm an assertive type of woman who looks at people, especially when I know they're full of crap.

Also, I think body language experts are basically shoveling woo-woo.

IMO

You know, I appreciate this perspective. And although I am personally kind of fascinated with the body language stuff, I hear you on how you would handle it. I don't think it's that black/white. I do find it interesting though that for some time the two closest jurors to her won't look at her at all.

Thanks for your sharing though as all perspectives on this are important. not just the "experts" although I do love Janine Driver. :)
 
Good Morning everyone. I am looking forward to living the trial through this website. I wish the better half had some interest in it but he doesn't and he thinks JA will walk. Of course I feel differently.

On a sidenote, I read on National Enquirer that JA has a girlfriend in jail and that they are going to raise a baby together. Brian Carr will be the father. Whatever!!!
Kind of thought it was humorouse.

Did the article mention how they are planning to "make" this baby?
 
had a thought about the third gas can that JA is so adamant about returning to Wallmart and yet can't produce a receipt for the return on.

I am thinking she used the 2. whatever gallons in that can to have a nice little bonfire in the desert destroying evidence (her clothes, etc). Maybe she burned the gas can as well, on purpose or because she did not expect the fire to ignite so forcefully and had the gas can too close to her little bonfire.


I don't live out west, but have spent a great deal of time-months worth- in the deserts of Arizona and Utah. IMO, there was no need whatsoever for her to burn the evidence. All she would have to do would be to drive 1 or 2 miles down one of the gazillion dirt/dust roads branching off a 1 or 2 lane highway, get out of her car, walk a few dozen feet and bury the evidence. There would be close to zero percent possibility that anyone would ever find a thing.
Gas not required.

I think JM is right on in his supposition that she just didn't want to leave a trace of herself in AZ.
 
Martinez: Why is it that you don't know ma'am?
Arias: They're just .... details that I don't remember. I remember some things .. and... like MAJOR THINGS and I don't know .. they're details

Major slip there... last I check stabbing someone 27/29 times and slitting their throat was a pretty "MAJOR thing".

http://youtu.be/YgpQU20VeT8?t=1h1m46s
 
Fortunately I don't know what its like in her head. Unfortunately I do know what its like living with someone eerily similar though so I'll offer this up, fwiw.

First think of psychopathy like your personality. You're made up of all bits and pieces and so is Jodi. For the most part you're good and rule abiding, right? ;) But every so often you can be naughty or do something wrong - which leads you to feeling guilty, embarrassed or perhaps even ashamed.

Jodi can't feel those emotions the same as you or I. She feels an insatiable anger almost constantly. But years of living with humans has taught her it isn't acceptable to show her anger and its level. She learns by default it isn't normal and though she can't feel guilt, shame or embarrassment herself she does learn that humans don't like to feel them. So she adapts because she has no other choice. She studies the humans around her and learns what joy, fear, heartbreak, loss, embarrassment and every other conceivable human emotion look like. She looks human. She sounds human. Everyone seems to believe she is human. So she learns at a very early age how to pretend to emote as a human.

Because of her psychopathy it only matters to Jodi what she wants and what makes her feel good. She cannot feel empathy or put others first for their own benefit. Everything in her world must revolve around her. She learns to manipulate and control in order to facilitate this. She is adept at it due to her psychopathy. In a way she is even 'programmed' to easily prey on others. No conscience and no empathy. The extreme greed and selfishness of only her really every mattering. She'll use every trick she can think of, engineer any event - all to make people more reliant on her, more trusting of her, more compassionate of her, more giving to her. Ultimately it is always, always about her.

As long as things go Jodi's way she can be affable and charming. Once she is challenged though she becomes a hotbed of psychological manipulators only designed to make humans feel bad and comply with whatever she wants. Either way they will often stop challenging her though - which is the important part. Push her further still and she struggles with keeping up the pretense of being human. When the mask slips on a psychopath even the 'worst' human traits can't describe them. It's beyond jealousy, vindictiveness or even rage. It's something so cold, so animalistic it sparks a flight response in humans. (You may not recognize what you're seeing - it is purely instinctual to get away from it for self-preservation.)

When Jodi is hopping all over herself on the witness stand we are witnessing her true disorder at play. Psychopaths just cannot withstand scrutiny and challenging day after day, while trying to remember their lies, and also attempting to maintain their facade. Because it is so foreign to how we humans feel it can border on incomprehension seeing them in that state. In reality when you look at it like a juggling act it becomes perfectly clear how difficult what she is doing really is - and how unfathomable for any human being to be capable of the same. We really are different species.

(Yee gatz. Sorry for the novel. Again. :blushing:)

Very insightful. I think you're dead on. I also have this theory . . . sociopaths learn how to act, react, respond, etc. by watching those around them. For example, if a co-worker's mom dies, the sociopath feels nothing but they've learned to express compassion by watching others so they offer a hug and express condolences. But when they step into an area for which they've had no modeling behavior to copy, they flounder. In this case, JA's behavior (cold, distant, detached) seems odd to us. It's because she doesn't know how a murderer reacts to accusations and scrutiny She's having to guess as to what the appropriate responses are and she is, of course, mostly wrong.
 
HLN only carries it here after 3:00 PM EST, and they have a commercial every 2 minutes!!

I know, it really sucks. It's better than nothing though until the youtube videos of the entire day are uploaded for my viewing pleasure. :)

They go until the end of the day where I am though, that's weird.
 
Saw some teenage kids skateboarding in the school parking lot while picking up my daughter yesterday ... just for grins, I asked them if they carry screwdrivers around ... response "For what boss ?"

"Boss"? LMAO
 
I want to say something about this, because I think it's drawn from the idea that because they face her, they feel sympathy for her or whatever. I want to point out that I'm a woman and I would face Jodi during cross to see her reactions - not because I feel sympathy, because I don't, but because I'm an assertive type of woman who looks at people, especially when I know they're full of crap.

Also, I think body language experts are basically pedaling woo-woo.

IMO

I'm female. If I were on this jury, I would be staring her down quite openly.

ETA: I know - innocent til proven guilty. I would be open to the opinions and findings of the other jurors
 
Regarding the buffoon Mr. Nurmi: did anyone notice his suit the other day? The jacket has two back vents, and he failed to clip the threads that keep them attached to the suit while it's in the store? They also sew up the pockets, and you have to clip the threads. WTH is his wife? The man needs a keeper.

I'm thinking of a reality show on Monday nights ....
 
And for the Jury to find Premeditation, they only need to agree that for a mere second... yes 1 second, she had a forethought that she would kill him..

She would do "something, anything" along the line of put this in the car, decide to drive there and give him 1 chance to marry me, take a gas can and not leave a trace of me in AZ.

Any one moment of planning however small of someones demise, and she had the "pre" meditated.. "pre" thought that she would not leave with him alive..

And that is premeditation. It can even come AFTER she is there and says to herself "oh no you didn't just say Mimi a 4th time..that's it! 3 was ok, 4 is now, he we go Travis"

I will be stunned in disbelief that this jury does not find at least one small event or thing she did to meet the requirement for premeditation.

How much more planning would they need to see? the text to herself on the Iphone calendar "JUNE 4, 2008 - Kill Travis"

My faith is in this Jury, the Prosecutor and the State of Arizona.. really, they don't mess around there.
 
I want to say something about this, because I think it's drawn from the idea that because they face her, they feel sympathy for her or whatever. I want to point out that I'm a woman and I would face Jodi during cross to see her reactions - not because I feel sympathy, because I don't, but because I'm an assertive type of woman who looks at people, especially when I know they're full of crap.

Also, I think body language experts are basically pedaling woo-woo.

IMO

I wish there were some possible way the jury could be facing her head on so they can see every snicker and smile.
As I understand, they are seeing her from the side unless she turns to face them.
Her expressions are SO telling, and I wish they jurors could see every single one.
 
I want to say something about this, because I think it's drawn from the idea that because they face her, they feel sympathy for her or whatever. I want to point out that I'm a woman and I would face Jodi during cross to see her reactions - not because I feel sympathy, because I don't, but because I'm an assertive type of woman who looks at people, especially when I know they're full of crap.

Also, I think body language experts are basically pedaling woo-woo.

IMO

ITA!! I would be staring at her face the whole time. I'm an assertive woman, too--and I would try to catch her eye when she started lying. I don't think that facing her means supporting her--at home I stare at her face during her answers just trying to figure out what the heck her malfunction is.
 
I don't live out west, but have spent a great deal of time-months worth- in the deserts of Arizona and Utah. IMO, there was no need whatsoever for her to burn the evidence. All she would have to do would be to drive 1 or 2 miles down one of the gazillion dirt/dust roads branching off a 1 or 2 lane highway, get out of her car, walk a few dozen feet and bury the evidence. There would be close to zero percent possibility that anyone would ever find a thing.
Gas not required.

I think JM is right on in his supposition that she just didn't want to leave a trace of herself in AZ.

Burning is faster and less physically demanding than having to dig a hole.
 
Good Morning everyone. I am looking forward to living the trial through this website. I wish the better half had some interest in it but he doesn't and he thinks JA will walk. Of course I feel differently.

On a sidenote, I read on National Enquirer that JA has a girlfriend in jail and that they are going to raise a baby together. Brian Carr will be the father. Whatever!!!
Kind of thought it was humorouse.

I would not be surprised if Brian Carr floated that story himself.
 
I felt a distinct shock when I heard Juan utter that word. And that was after he called a Brazilian "cosmetic attention to your pelvic region".
:blushing::blushing::blushing::blushing::blushing:

OMG that remark was....I don't even have a word! I 'm glad I wasn't in court...I would have had a hard time keeping a straight face. :floorlaugh:
 
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