JOHN ANDREW RAMSEY'S DISAPPOINTING AND INSULTING RESPONSE TO CINA WONG

[Gretchen520]

The urination and defecation could very well have been caused by sexual abuse, and not what you perceive and describe as Patsy's "mental abuse" of the children.

The Ramsey children had a ton of <modsnip> issues. I have heard tale that that could be an indication of some type of sex abuse; as in the children would make themselves unappealing to their abuser. I think JR was the mastermind behind it, but that’s just my preference.

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

The urination and defecation could very well have been caused by sexual abuse, and not what you perceive and describe as Patsy's "mental abuse" of the children.

This statement focuses on racism rather than sexism (the sexism being that John the sexual abuser always gets a pass, and the blame is shifted towards Patsy and Burke). But have you ever noticed that there is far MORE evidence against John Ramsey than against OJ Simpson? Ramsey had MOTIVE to silence JonBenet - plus his older daughter from his first marriage also accused him of sexual abuse.

There's quite a bit of evidence against John Ramsey - including that the ransom note could easily have been composed by him - it's all about HIM; it's a big ego trip to HIMSELF. And if John convinced Patsy that Burke had done it by accident, then obviously John could have dictated it to Patsy so that she would physically hand-write the note.

I think that a kidnapping attempt was made against his older daughter Melinda, and that the ransom note was left on a voicemail rather than on writing paper. I guess that is where John got the idea for a kidnapping?

And even the fact that Patsy almost never went in the basement (she was scared of the basement) - that points to the circumstantial evidence that John would think the basement was a "safe place" (safe from Patsy) to hide the body.

<modsnip: Please do not introduce racial issues into this discussion.>

I am in Canada and CANNOT IMAGE that John Ramsey would not have been arrested and charged in Canada.

 

[Gretchen520]

This statement focuses on racism rather than sexism (the sexism being that John the sexual abuser always gets a pass, and the blame is shifted towards Patsy and Burke). But have you ever noticed that there is far MORE evidence against John Ramsey than against OJ Simpson? Ramsey had MOTIVE to silence JonBenet - plus his older daughter from his first marriage also accused him of sexual abuse.

There's quite a bit of evidence against John Ramsey - including that the ransom note could easily have been composed by him - it's all about HIM; it's a big ego trip to HIMSELF. And if John convinced Patsy that Burke had done it by accident, then obviously John could have dictated it to Patsy so that she would physically hand-write the note.

I think that a kidnapping attempt was made against his older daughter Melinda, and that the ransom note was left on a voicemail rather than on writing paper. I guess that is where John got the idea for a kidnapping?

And even the fact that Patsy almost never went in the basement (she was scared of the basement) - that points to the circumstantial evidence that John would think the basement was a "safe place" (safe from Patsy) to hide the body.

So yes, I am saying that if John was a Black person that he may have been arrested and charged with premeditated murder. Personally, I think that he hired the killer. But it's not just racism - it's probably also John's dubious connections and dealings. You know, law enforcement and district attorneys would be fearful of retaliation.

I am in Canada and CANNOT IMAGE that John Ramsey would not have been arrested and charged in Canada.

Wait a minute, one of JR’s daughters accused him of sexual assault? Beth or Melinda? When was this??

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

Wait a minute, one of JR’s daughters accused him of sexual assault? Beth or Melinda? When was this??

Sorry for the confusion.

Elizabeth accused John of sexual abuse. About six weeks later, she died in the car accident. But there's no reason to believe that the car accident was suspicious. This car accident was reinvestigated during JB's homicide investigation, but just as a matter of routine.

But the prior kidnapping attempt was made against Melinda, and that was a few years prior to the 1996 murder of JB.

Police found an instructional video for stun gun usage in John's possession. I really do believe that in Canada, that John would have been arrested and charged with premeditated murder. The police would have leaned heavily on Patsy to confess. Was Patsy convinced that Burke had done it?

 

[Gretchen520]

Sorry for the confusion.

Elizabeth accused John of sexual abuse. About six weeks later, she died in the car accident. But there's no reason to believe that the car accident was suspicious. This car accident was reinvestigated during JB's homicide investigation, but just as a matter of routine.

But the prior kidnapping attempt was made against Melinda, and that was a few years prior to the 1996 murder of JB.

Police found an instructional video for stun gun usage in John's possession. I really do believe that in Canada, that John would have been arrested and charged with premeditated murder. The police would have leaned heavily on Patsy to confess. Was Patsy convinced that Burke had done it?

Are you serious?? Beth accused him of sex assault? That’s interesting to note considering I believe that JR tried to cover up prior sex abuse with the paintbrush and he was the one who wiped JBR down redressed her.

 

[claudicici]

I know I've read that before myself and I've been trying to find it for years I think it was one of her college friends who was interviewed and claimed Beth was in therapy because she accused JR of sex abuse and also attempted suicide?

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

Are you serious?? Beth accused him of sex assault? That’s interesting to note considering I believe that JR tried to cover up prior sex abuse with the paintbrush and he was the one who wiped JBR down redressed her.

Yes that was in the original police investigation. That's why the car accident was reinvestigated because of the sexual abuse claims of Elizabeth. But there's no reason to believe that the car accident was suspicious.

 

[Gretchen520]

Yes that was in the original police investigation. That's why the car accident was reinvestigated because of the sexual abuse claims of Elizabeth. But there's no reason to believe that the car accident was suspicious.

Thanks for that interesting information. That is something I never knew. I knew about the car accident, but not the sexual assault accusations. That adds another layer of suspicion to the Ramsey family.

To me, the whole case is kinda creepy and bizarre. The Ramsey family have so many layers, like an onion. They pretended to be this “happy, perfect family” to everyone on the outside, but were dysfunctional. That house was creepy, too. I can imagine the debauchery that went on there.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

This statement focuses on racism rather than sexism (the sexism being that John the sexual abuser always gets a pass, and the blame is shifted towards Patsy and Burke). But have you ever noticed that there is far MORE evidence against John Ramsey than against OJ Simpson? Ramsey had MOTIVE to silence JonBenet - plus his older daughter from his first marriage also accused him of sexual abuse.

There's quite a bit of evidence against John Ramsey - including that the ransom note could easily have been composed by him - it's all about HIM; it's a big ego trip to HIMSELF. And if John convinced Patsy that Burke had done it by accident, then obviously John could have dictated it to Patsy so that she would physically hand-write the note.

I think that a kidnapping attempt was made against his older daughter Melinda, and that the ransom note was left on a voicemail rather than on writing paper. I guess that is where John got the idea for a kidnapping?

And even the fact that Patsy almost never went in the basement (she was scared of the basement) - that points to the circumstantial evidence that John would think the basement was a "safe place" (safe from Patsy) to hide the body.

<modsnip: Please do not introduce racial issues into this discussion.>

I am in Canada and CANNOT IMAGE that John Ramsey would not have been arrested and charged in Canada.

I think many Americans expected an arrest also, along with greater pressure put on the parents. jmo

 

[Tobiano8th]

please tell me i didn't just read that "there was more evidence against John Ramsey than OJ Simpson"

and i really don't understand the underlying logic to the comment......... OJ was acquitted after very quick deliberation by jury (i didn't agree but whatever)...... so the logic is "there was far more evidence against JR than someone who was acquitted very easily by a jury"

and JR sexually abusing his elder daughter..... plz someone provide some backup of this statement. from the sounds of at least one other poster, it sounds like it may exist.. but we need to see it.

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

please tell me i didn't just read that "there was more evidence against John Ramsey than OJ Simpson"

and i really don't understand the underlying logic to the comment......... OJ was acquitted after very quick deliberation by jury (i didn't agree but whatever)...... so the logic is "there was far more evidence against JR than someone who was acquitted very easily by a jury"

and JR sexually abusing his elder daughter..... plz someone provide some backup of this statement. from the sounds of at least one other poster, it sounds like it may exist.. but we need to see it.

The first comment about OJ Simpson refers to Americans believing in OJ Simpson's guilt even though there's not much evidence. Whereas people are willing to give John Ramsey a pass.

I think John Ramsey promotes these theories about Patsy, Burke, neighbors and routine intruders. Because it should be the other way around - that people think John Ramsey is guilty but think OJ Simpson is probably not guilty.

Plus OJ Simpson was arrested and charged, just not convicted. Whereas John was not arrested and charged. In terms of motive, John Ramsey had motive to silence JB from reporting PREVIOUS sexual abuse. (Because of the armed robbery with oj simpson, I think Simpson may be guilty. Perhaps simpson originally hired the killers, and then owed organized crime a favor.)


John's older daughter from his first marriage, who was named Elizabeth, also accused John of sexual abuse. Six weeks later, she died in the car accident. That's why the car accident was reinvestigated after the murder, though I certainly don't think it's suspicious. But that's the reason for reinvestigation. Look at John's family - his father married his first wife's mother! That was after the first wife (John's mother) died. When the father remarried, it was to John's first wife's mother.

Also I think Nancy Krebs is credible, though some of her details may be embellished. Krebs testified about the same issues and details years prior to JB's murder. It's not as if Krebs came up with the details after JB's murder. Remember about the child *advertiser censored* and prostitution, and that's what the accusations against Access Graphics and Subic Bay are about.

And I do think Fleet White may have been involved. He was always so anxious to endorse the theories that Patsy or Burke did it, or that it was supposedly an accident. But maybe he was just anxious because the Ramseys were framing him, as being the "Secret Santa."

<modsnip: Removed political commentary>

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

please tell me i didn't just read that "there was more evidence against John Ramsey than OJ Simpson"

and i really don't understand the underlying logic to the comment......... OJ was acquitted after very quick deliberation by jury (i didn't agree but whatever)...... so the logic is "there was far more evidence against JR than someone who was acquitted very easily by a jury"

and JR sexually abusing his elder daughter..... plz someone provide some backup of this statement. from the sounds of at least one other poster, it sounds like it may exist.. but we need to see it.

By the way, I think John promotes the false story about the extra marital affair and how that caused the breakup of his first marriage. I think John's first marriage broke up for far more sinister reasons; namely, the abuse of Elizabeth and maybe John's general demeanor.

 

[KRIME KING]

A couple of weeks ago I attempted to have a mature conversation (on Twitter under the name Websleuths) about the evidence in the Ramsey case with JonBenet's older half-brother John Andrew Ramsey.

Via a tagged tweet from Websleuths I invited him to listen to our live stream with Cina Wong and I pointed out how many matches Ms. Wong made between Patsy's writing and the writing of the ransom note.

Cina Wong is a very well respected and professionally recognized handwriting expert who has testified in over 65 court cases.

In response to my tweets John Andrew blocked me, called me a troll, and proceeded to attempt to attack Cina Wong and her credentials in a very immature manner.

John Andrew tweeted and asked if Cina Wong knew Henry Lee. WTH?
It never occurred to me the obvious reason for asking this question. There is only one reason why he would say this. Think about it.

I am posting here the responses to John Andrews's accusations about Cina Wong. If you have any trouble following what is going on please post your questions.

These same screenshots will be tweeted out by Websleuths and we will make John Andrew aware of these answers if he is curious to know the truth.

JAR's behavior is so disappointing. He is acting like a spoiled rich kid frat boy.

Please take a look at the tweets and responses.

Tricia
PS. I did make a crack about Lin Wood when JAR tweeted he would record my stream and send it to "Lin". "GOOD" I replied then suggested that perhaps the intruder also stole the election. That is my part but hey, using Lin Wood as a threat opens one's self up to these types of answers.

Safe to say this was an inside job on JBR..especially with a ransom not $118.000 bonus father received....why was nobody charged..well $$ I sa

A couple of weeks ago I attempted to have a mature conversation (on Twitter under the name Websleuths) about the evidence in the Ramsey case with JonBenet's older half-brother John Andrew Ramsey.

Via a tagged tweet from Websleuths I invited him to listen to our live stream with Cina Wong and I pointed out how many matches Ms. Wong made between Patsy's writing and the writing of the ransom note.

Cina Wong is a very well respected and professionally recognized handwriting expert who has testified in over 65 court cases.

In response to my tweets John Andrew blocked me, called me a troll, and proceeded to attempt to attack Cina Wong and her credentials in a very immature manner.

John Andrew tweeted and asked if Cina Wong knew Henry Lee. WTH?
It never occurred to me the obvious reason for asking this question. There is only one reason why he would say this. Think about it.

I am posting here the responses to John Andrews's accusations about Cina Wong. If you have any trouble following what is going on please post your questions.

These same screenshots will be tweeted out by Websleuths and we will make John Andrew aware of these answers if he is curious to know the truth.

JAR's behavior is so disappointing. He is acting like a spoiled rich kid frat boy.

Please take a look at the tweets and responses.

Tricia
PS. I did make a crack about Lin Wood when JAR tweeted he would record my stream and send it to "Lin". "GOOD" I replied then suggested that perhaps the intruder also stole the election. That is my part but hey, using Lin Wood as a threat opens one's self up to these types of answers.

Safe to say this was an inside job on JBR..especially with a ransom not $118.000 bonus father received....why was nobody charged..well $$$$ I say......you agree?

 

[Pip Stevo]

Wow . . . crazy stuff. Burke was fiddling with JB sexually. That's why Patsy moved her to another bedroom further away from Burke.

 

[MartinDupuis]

Hello, I think you need to look at motive. And also to remember that this was a premeditated crime. (Also the Burke and Patsy theories are not medically sound. We know that JB was already dead when she received the head injury, which is why there was almost zero internal bleeding.)

So given that this was a premeditated crime, as a woman, I do not want to give John or John Andrew (at least one is a sexual abuser) a free pass, and blame Patsy or Burke. It's also worth nothing that if Patsy or Burke had accidentally killed JB (which is not medically sound), the family could have claimed that the little girl fell and hit her head.

It's important to remember that John and John Andrew WANT us to believe that Patsy and Burke committed the crime, which is has been not possible due to medical evidence.

So, since it was a premeditated crime, we must look at motive:

1) To silence JB so that she could not report PRIOR sexual abuse, including what may have occurred on December 23, 1996. (And fibers from John Andrew's EA device were found in JB's bed; not sure if they were also found in Burke's bed.) The police were called on December 23, 1996. However, the person who opened the door said that the police had been called by mistake.

JB was intelligent, articulate, and outspoken. Had she reported prior sexual abuse by John or John Andrew, she would be taken very seriously. Had Burke reported prior sexual abuse by John or John Andrew, he would not be taken as seriously. (I believe Burke was autistic.)

Therefore the MOTIVE to silence JB so that she could not report PRIOR sexual abuse is stronger than any MOTIVE to silence Burke.

2) To frame Patsy, or at least to discredit her. Obviously a judge or jury would not convict Patsy, but she was discredited and disgraced. People were willing to blame Patsy, claim that she killed JB by accident, and yet give John or John Andrew (at least one of whom is a sexual abuser) a free pass. Talk about sexism and bias.

There was an obvious MOTIVE to frame Patsy: ransom note included some of her expressions and choice of words. Also Patsy's notepad and writing pen were used. Patsy's paintbrush was actually used to strangle JB. (JB died from strangulation, and was already dead when she received the head injury). Now, if Patsy herself had strangled JB (and we know that she did not do this), she would have the intelligence to hide or throw out the paintbrush. (And would Patsy write a note to incriminate herself? She was an intelligent woman.)

Patsy's items that were used: paintbrush, notepad, writing pen. Plus the ransom note cast suspicion on Patsy.

What motive would John Andrew have to frame or at least cast suspicion on Patsy? He would want his father to reunite with his mother, NOT because he cared if his parents got back together, BUT due to John's WEALTH.

Therefore, John Andrew would have the above two motives. Remember that John Andrew's suitcase was found near JB's body. The suitcase contained a semen-encrusted blanket (semen belonged to John Andrew), a children's book called Dr. Seuss, and some other items. So, why was the suitcase near JB's body? Because someone (likely John the father) had every intention of disposing of JB's body, but also of disposing of the incriminating suitcase.

As previously mentioned, fibers from John Andrew's EA device were found on JB's bed.

Lastly, there has been some suspicion that JB told Melinda (her older half-sister) about the sexual abuse. However, I like to think that Melinda would have done the right thing, and reported this to police.

I believe that John Andrew also had a key to the house.

You need to also ask why John the father was not framed for the crime - only Patsy the mother!

And let's use common sense: a routine "sexual predator" would be more interested in framing the father than the mother!

I do not agree with you at all regarding Patsy being framed.....please go read my posts on the thread "if you look at it logically it's very clear who did it" to see where I'm coming from.

 

[Sjisa]

Hello, I think you need to look at motive. And also to remember that this was a premeditated crime. (Also the Burke and Patsy theories are not medically sound. We know that JB was already dead when she received the head injury, which is why there was almost zero internal bleeding.)

So given that this was a premeditated crime, as a woman, I do not want to give John or John Andrew (at least one is a sexual abuser) a free pass, and blame Patsy or Burke. It's also worth nothing that if Patsy or Burke had accidentally killed JB (which is not medically sound), the family could have claimed that the little girl fell and hit her head.

It's important to remember that John and John Andrew WANT us to believe that Patsy and Burke committed the crime, which is has been not possible due to medical evidence.

So, since it was a premeditated crime, we must look at motive:

1) To silence JB so that she could not report PRIOR sexual abuse, including what may have occurred on December 23, 1996. (And fibers from John Andrew's EA device were found in JB's bed; not sure if they were also found in Burke's bed.) The police were called on December 23, 1996. However, the person who opened the door said that the police had been called by mistake.

JB was intelligent, articulate, and outspoken. Had she reported prior sexual abuse by John or John Andrew, she would be taken very seriously. Had Burke reported prior sexual abuse by John or John Andrew, he would not be taken as seriously. (I believe Burke was autistic.)

Therefore the MOTIVE to silence JB so that she could not report PRIOR sexual abuse is stronger than any MOTIVE to silence Burke.

2) To frame Patsy, or at least to discredit her. Obviously a judge or jury would not convict Patsy, but she was discredited and disgraced. People were willing to blame Patsy, claim that she killed JB by accident, and yet give John or John Andrew (at least one of whom is a sexual abuser) a free pass. Talk about sexism and bias.

There was an obvious MOTIVE to frame Patsy: ransom note included some of her expressions and choice of words. Also Patsy's notepad and writing pen were used. Patsy's paintbrush was actually used to strangle JB. (JB died from strangulation, and was already dead when she received the head injury). Now, if Patsy herself had strangled JB (and we know that she did not do this), she would have the intelligence to hide or throw out the paintbrush. (And would Patsy write a note to incriminate herself? She was an intelligent woman.)

Patsy's items that were used: paintbrush, notepad, writing pen. Plus the ransom note cast suspicion on Patsy.

What motive would John Andrew have to frame or at least cast suspicion on Patsy? He would want his father to reunite with his mother, NOT because he cared if his parents got back together, BUT due to John's WEALTH.

Therefore, John Andrew would have the above two motives. Remember that John Andrew's suitcase was found near JB's body. The suitcase contained a semen-encrusted blanket (semen belonged to John Andrew), a children's book called Dr. Seuss, and some other items. So, why was the suitcase near JB's body? Because someone (likely John the father) had every intention of disposing of JB's body, but also of disposing of the incriminating suitcase.

As previously mentioned, fibers from John Andrew's EA device were found on JB's bed.

Lastly, there has been some suspicion that JB told Melinda (her older half-sister) about the sexual abuse. However, I like to think that Melinda would have done the right thing, and reported this to police.

I believe that John Andrew also had a key to the house.

You need to also ask why John the father was not framed for the crime - only Patsy the mother!

And let's use common sense: a routine "sexual predator" would be more interested in framing the father than the mother!

I have to agree it looks to me both patsy and Burke have been framed and it more likely that it was John Andrew or John or both together protecting each other at first I thought it may have been Burke and pasty and John covered for him becos he lost his temper when she took a bit of his food but after reading wat u have said and other things this looks more likely

 

[UKGuy]

Hello, I think you need to look at motive. And also to remember that this was a premeditated crime. (Also the Burke and Patsy theories are not medically sound. We know that JB was already dead when she received the head injury, which is why there was almost zero internal bleeding.)

So given that this was a premeditated crime, as a woman, I do not want to give John or John Andrew (at least one is a sexual abuser) a free pass, and blame Patsy or Burke. It's also worth nothing that if Patsy or Burke had accidentally killed JB (which is not medically sound), the family could have claimed that the little girl fell and hit her head.

It's important to remember that John and John Andrew WANT us to believe that Patsy and Burke committed the crime, which is has been not possible due to medical evidence.

So, since it was a premeditated crime, we must look at motive:

1) To silence JB so that she could not report PRIOR sexual abuse, including what may have occurred on December 23, 1996. (And fibers from John Andrew's EA device were found in JB's bed; not sure if they were also found in Burke's bed.) The police were called on December 23, 1996. However, the person who opened the door said that the police had been called by mistake.

JB was intelligent, articulate, and outspoken. Had she reported prior sexual abuse by John or John Andrew, she would be taken very seriously. Had Burke reported prior sexual abuse by John or John Andrew, he would not be taken as seriously. (I believe Burke was autistic.)

Therefore the MOTIVE to silence JB so that she could not report PRIOR sexual abuse is stronger than any MOTIVE to silence Burke.

2) To frame Patsy, or at least to discredit her. Obviously a judge or jury would not convict Patsy, but she was discredited and disgraced. People were willing to blame Patsy, claim that she killed JB by accident, and yet give John or John Andrew (at least one of whom is a sexual abuser) a free pass. Talk about sexism and bias.

There was an obvious MOTIVE to frame Patsy: ransom note included some of her expressions and choice of words. Also Patsy's notepad and writing pen were used. Patsy's paintbrush was actually used to strangle JB. (JB died from strangulation, and was already dead when she received the head injury). Now, if Patsy herself had strangled JB (and we know that she did not do this), she would have the intelligence to hide or throw out the paintbrush. (And would Patsy write a note to incriminate herself? She was an intelligent woman.)

Patsy's items that were used: paintbrush, notepad, writing pen. Plus the ransom note cast suspicion on Patsy.

What motive would John Andrew have to frame or at least cast suspicion on Patsy? He would want his father to reunite with his mother, NOT because he cared if his parents got back together, BUT due to John's WEALTH.

Therefore, John Andrew would have the above two motives. Remember that John Andrew's suitcase was found near JB's body. The suitcase contained a semen-encrusted blanket (semen belonged to John Andrew), a children's book called Dr. Seuss, and some other items. So, why was the suitcase near JB's body? Because someone (likely John the father) had every intention of disposing of JB's body, but also of disposing of the incriminating suitcase.

As previously mentioned, fibers from John Andrew's EA device were found on JB's bed.

Lastly, there has been some suspicion that JB told Melinda (her older half-sister) about the sexual abuse. However, I like to think that Melinda would have done the right thing, and reported this to police.

I believe that John Andrew also had a key to the house.

You need to also ask why John the father was not framed for the crime - only Patsy the mother!

And let's use common sense: a routine "sexual predator" would be more interested in framing the father than the mother!

PremeditatedCrime,
This follow up post is for anyone who reads the above and thinks it's factually correct.

We know that JB was already dead when she received the head injury, which is why there was almost zero internal bleeding.)

JonBenet Ramsey, Autopsy Report, excerpt

NAME: RAMSEY, JONBENET

DOB: 08/06/90
AGE: 6Y
SEX: F
PATH MD: MEYER
TYPE: COR
AUTOPSY NO: 96A-155
DEATH D/T: 12/26/96 @1323
AUTOPSY D/T: 12/27/96 @ 0815
ID NO; 137712
COR/MEDREC# 1714-96-A

FINAL DIAGNOSIS:
I. Ligature strangulation
A. Circumferential ligature with associated ligature furrow of neck
B. Abrasions and petechial hemorrhages, neck
C. Petechial hemorrhages, conjunctival surfaces of eyes and skin of face

II. Craniocerebral injuries
A. Scalp contusion
B. Linear, comminuted fracture of right side of skull
C. Linear pattern of contusions of right cerebral hemisphere
D. Subarachnoid and subdural hemorrhage
E. Small contusions, tips of temporal lobes

III. Abrasion of right cheek

IV. Abrasion/contusion, posterior right shoulder

V. Abrasions of left lower back and posterior left lower leg

VI. Abrasion and vascular congestion of vaginal mucosa

VII. Ligature of right wrist

Toxicologic Studies
blood ethanol – none detected
blood drug screen – no drugs detected

CLINICOPATHLOGIC CORRELATION: Cause of death of this six year old female is asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma.

John E. Meyer M.D.
Pathologist
jn/12/27/96

So from what Meyer states in his autopsy conclusion: the cause of death was dual i.e. head trauma and ligature strangulation.

II. D. Subarachnoid and subdural hemorrhage which is bleeding in the brain!

VI. Abrasion and vascular congestion of vaginal mucosa this is assumed to be the result of sexual assault.

Phrased by Coroner Meyer as Digital Penetration and Sexual Contact
12-29-1996 Search Warrant for 755 15th Street, Excerpt

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she witnessed the autopsy of JonBenet Ramsey which was conducted by Dr. John Meyer on December 27, 1996. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the vaginal area of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury constant with digital penetration of her vagina. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that it was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to sexual contact. For further details on the autopsy see the attached document entitled Addendum To Search Warrant.

All three remaining Ramsey's are all linked directly to the wine-cellar crime-scene by forensic evidence, so remain under the umbrella of suspicion, i.e. one family member framing another is unlikely given the forensic evidence that was removed, e.g. size-6 underwear, pink pajama bottoms, etc.

JonBenet was denied medical attention precisely so she could not name her abuser, which is not the same as the motive for her sexual assault, the former leading directly to her death.

Foreign Faction by James Kolar, Excerpt

Following the meeting, Dr. Meyer returned to the morgue with Dr. Andy Sirontak, Chief of Denver Children’s Hospital Child Protection Team, so that a second opinion could be rendered on the injuries observed to the vaginal area of JonBenét. He would observe the same injuries that Dr. Meyer had noted during the autopsy protocol and concurred that a foreign object had been inserted into the opening of JonBenét’s vaginal orifice and was responsible for the acute injury witnessed at the 7:00 o’clock position.

Further inspection revealed that the hymen was shriveled and retracted, a sign that JonBenét had been subjected to some type of sexual contact prior to the date of her death.

Dr. Sirontak could not provide an opinion as to how old those injuries were or how many times JonBenét may have been assaulted and would defer to the expert opinions of other medical examiners.

On the basis of Meyer's second opinion agreeing that there was signs of chronic abuse this suggests one person or more had been routinely abusing JonBenet.

So it does not rule out any of the male Ramsey family members from being historically involved!

.

 

[Meara]

It was stated upthread that JR had sexually abused his daughter Melinda. I last heard this as a rumor. Is it now a credible allegation or fact? Does anyone have a source? If so, please post it.

Also, just to keep the house facts straight, there wasn't a walk-in freezer in the basement. There was a walk-in fridge in the kitchen. The freezer in the basement was a disused floor model located at the back of the boiler room. As it was unplugged and near the boiler, it would not have kept JBR's body cooled had it been placed inside.

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[UKGuy]

It was stated upthread that JR had sexually abused his daughter Melinda. I last heard this as a rumor. Is it now a credible allegation or fact? Does anyone have a source? If so, please post it.

Also, just to keep the house facts straight, there wasn't a walk-in freezer in the basement. There was a walk-in fridge in the kitchen. The freezer in the basement was a disused floor model located at the back of the boiler room. As it was unplugged and near the boiler, it would not have kept JBR's body cooled had it been placed inside.

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Meara,

It was stated upthread that JR had sexually abused his daughter Melinda. I last heard this as a rumor. Is it now a credible allegation or fact? Does anyone have a source?

It's just speculation, as is a PDI with PR abusing JonBenet.

If the allegation of SA wrt JR was factual, nearly every JonBenet documentary would want you to know this as they outline their JDI theories.

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[Meara]

Meara,

It's just speculation, as is a PDI with PR abusing JonBenet.

If the allegation of SA wrt JR was factual, nearly every JonBenet documentary would want you to know this as they outline their JDI theories.

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Thanks. What I assumed. But I did wonder whether there was anything to support (not prove) allegations made in online discussion, maybe something I missed while away. So, just rumor, then.