SuperDave wrote:
Well, that's kind of the problem, isn't it? If the instruments were contaminated, who knows where the touch DNA came from?
I don`t buy that the touch DNA was a result of contamination- the coroner must have had at least clean gloves on. I don`t believe the touch DNA came from some contaminated knife.
I'm not saying that was the case. But you have to admit, it's problematic.
SuperDave wrote:
Except that Fleet White told the cops HE put the suitcase there.
Yes, but where did he take it from? How much did he move it? Didn`t he say that he saw the suitcase under the window initially. But I`m not thinking the killer entered or exited through the window anymore.
Then why bother talking about it?
SuperDave wrote:
Depends on who you ask. The former housekeeper said that PR had gotten in the habit of hitting JB. Said she heard her screaming in the bathroom.
JB`s doctor didn`t see signs of abuse and I don`t think anyone else for that matter.
JB's doctor admits he didn't look all that closely.
"Gotten in the habit of hitting JB", right..Are we talking about LH-P? Did she say this in a police interview or what, and how long after the murder? She certainly held resentment towards the R´s.
"Lawyers for a former housekeeper of Patsy Ramsey will attempt to prove in their $50 million civil lawsuit that Patsy murdered her daughter. "
Yes, we ARE talking about her. She said this in the first chapter of a book she was preparing. As for resentment, I'd say she had pretty good reason. She was the first person they threw under the bus. I'm only sorry that the lawyer she chose for that case was such an incompetent.
SuperDave wrote:
Foreign DNA is questionable, we have prices for duct tape and cord on PR's credit card receipt, the baseball bat and flashlight were most likely theirs, the shoeprint was matched to BR years ago...and we have, and I quote, elaborate staging.
Didn`t know about the cord price. Did the receipt show exactly the same prices, and were there other items in that store (what was it`s name) that had the same price?
McGuckin's Hardware. And yes, there were other items in the store with those prices. But it's a hell of a coincidence, isn't it?
Where is the reliable source for the shoeprint being Burke`s, and Burke owning hi tech- boots?
That came from a report back in August of 2002. Apparently, Fleet White's son, Fleet III, told the GJ that BR had those shoes. Fleet White told the police about it as well.
The shoeprints don`t necessarily mean anything since people were in the basement, but it`s misleading to say there are no footprints of an intruder if the prints are not actually identified(not to say you`ve said that).
Glad we got that straight.
SuperDave wrote:
Only about 5% of adults. Moreover, there used to be a side-by-side chart comparing her letters to the RN letters. It was shocking, to say the least.
Sounds strange if you can give exact percents for handwriting, was this 5% a conclusion of the experts?
I believe it was. If memory serves, Ted Widmer gave that 5% figure. More specifically, he was referring to writing "a"s the way they look when they're typed. Moreover, PR was the only person who changed her writing after the killing...
SuperDave wrote:
It's considerably more complicated than that, Mysteeri. In my case, it helps to remember that the two experts who did the most extensive analyses-Ubowski and Epstein-said she did. Whereas NOBODY was able to say she didn't.
Did Ubowski say that Patsy wrote it, or that she could not be excluded?
Well, officially, he said that he thought she did, but he couldn't say so in court. But he told his boss, Pete Mang, that he thought she did. And in 2002, FOX News quoted him as saying that the only thing that kept him from saying she wrote it for sure was that the ink from the pen bled so badly.
Epstein seems to be a controversial character.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you mean he's a maverick, he certainly is, and he's gained a lot of respect from his colleagues for that. He's also a damn good analyst. I can't find a single person who has ever spoken against his skill, whatever that's worth to you.
Yes, they were not able to exclude Patsy.
RIGHT.
SuperDave wrote:
Little? How do any of us know how much was done to disguise it? Especially since PR was found out to be able to write left-handed.
The letter was long and the handwriting varied little, right?
Something like that. But then, if it was consistently disguised, it wouldn't vary that much, would it?
If the handwriting was disguised and Patsy was so skillful, then how can some be so sure it`s an exact match?
Well, it's not really a question of her being overly skillful. It's about when it became known that she could write with either hand. That wasn't known initially.
SuperDave wrote:
I used to think that too. Until I found out how problem-ridden the field of handwriting examination is. Even Alex Hunter said that he wanted to just scrap the whole expert testimony deal and just let the jury see the charts for themselves. Whatever that does for you.
Ok. I think I`ll "analyze" the RN more for myself, then.
Very good. Sadly, that site I told you about that had the charts isn't available anymore. RiverRat has some. If I can get him to drop by, he could help you out.
). There were some pictures on ACR, I`ll look at them.