Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #16 *Arrest*

[Busylady]

I havent seen it posted as a fact that the dogs did or didnt alert at the house. Pretty sure decomp starts immediately so if she waited til darkness there would be signs of that where ever he was. Just my opinion correct me if I am wrong. Le has to be going on something that we dont know yet. Also when ll saw Lucas he maybe called JH and not EG. I was wondering if maybe that was one of her OG calls. From JH. Just thinking.

Thats a good thought that maybe LL did call JH and not EG.

 

[kkdj]

Thats a good thought that maybe LL did call JH and not EG.

Do we know if EG knew the LL was stopping by?

 

[WildcatRunner]

I see that scenario but if LE went to JH and say another man that she was with was told that LH was with JO .. does JH still stand by his woman. After finding out about another man

A second man is far less heart breaking than having lost his child, and he's standing by her through that. So I think he'd ride out the allegations of another man too.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[n_6CC]

No matter how she disposed of the body, she was taking a risk of being caught disposing the body or of the body being found. It may not be easy to dispose of a body, but I think some methods are less risky than others. For example, if she was driving around with a corpse in her vehicle, she not only runs the risk of getting pulled over en route to her dump site, but she also runs the risk that human remains detection dogs will alert on her car later. Murder and body disposal are inherently risky.

Different vehicle?


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[kkdj]

A second man is far less heart breaking than having lost his child, and he's standing by her through that. So I think he'd ride out the allegations of another man too.

Just thinking out loud...

Are we sure he's standing by her? That's just so hard to wrap my head around. I keep trying to figure out reasons that he's just trying to get her to tell him where Lucas is.

 

[Busylady]

Are we sure he's standing by her? That's just so hard to wrap my head around. I keep trying to figure out reasons that he's just trying to get her to tell him where Lucas is.

I keep going over and over this in my head, why would anyone stand by a partner who left your child alone, smoked pot and then put your other child in the car and one child is now missing. Then I think about what we do know about their history, they both have violent history both EG with injuries, JH with injuries, he knew about pot smoking, they both have allegations of abuse against children. Was this just their way of life and none of this is a surprise to JH so he is sticking with her?

 

[Busylady]

Do we know if EG knew the LL was stopping by?

I have no clue, but wouldn't think she would risk leaving Lucas alone if she knew he was coming by.

 

[WildcatRunner]

What if she had left Lucas alone that Saturday and when LL came by and knocked on door and saw Lucas, and then knocked on door harder knowing someone was home just not answering door and Lucas got scared. Could he have gone out back door thinking this person he didn't now was trying to get in house. He wasn't familiar with neighborhood could of easily gotten lost crawled in some small space to hide when it started getting dark. I know people say well someone would of seen him, but the more cases I read here, the more I realize people do see a young child walking down a road and don't stop and don't alert police.

She comes home Lucas is gone she doesn't want to tell police she left him alone so she makes up the showering and nap story.

But the timeframe she left him alone, and the time she claims he walked out the door is 24 hours apart. So that still doesn't explain why she would wait 24 hours to report him missing.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[kkdj]

I keep going over and over this in my head, why would anyone stand by a partner who left your child alone, smoked pot and then put your other child in the car and one child is now missing. Then I think about what we do know about their history, they both have violent history both EG with injuries, JH with injuries, he knew about pot smoking, they both have allegations of abuse against children. Was this just their way of life and none of this is a surprise to JH so he is sticking with her?

I'm just having trouble thinking he could. But remember the unsolved Hailey Cummings case? The dad and stepmom stayed together, remained in their druggy life until they got busted. Little Hailey was never found.

 

[perfectingpink]

We don't know where in the house the LL saw Lucas, do we?

 

[Busylady]

But the timeframe she left him alone, and the time she claims he walked out the door is 24 hours apart. So that still doesn't explain why she would wait 24 hours to report him missing.

Just thinking out loud...

Only thing I could think of she was trying to put a distance between when she left him alone and was high on pot. If she came home and he was gone she couldn't call police right away she was under influence and had left him home alone. Maybe she thought if she waited they wouldn't connect she had left him alone and she wouldn't be high anymore.

I don't think he walked out, just throwing out different scenarios because alot just doesn't add up for me that he passed in the house and then she disposed of him later.

 

[WildcatRunner]

Are we sure he's standing by her? That's just so hard to wrap my head around. I keep trying to figure out reasons that he's just trying to get her to tell him where Lucas is.

Our VI said that he is, at the end of the last thread or beginning of this one.
It's beyond hard to wrap my head around too, but it seems that's the likely case.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[kkdj]

I have no clue, but wouldn't think she would risk leaving Lucas alone if she knew he was coming by.

I was thinking the same. I'm so glad he stopped by and saw Lucas!

 

[WildcatRunner]

Many people on here keep insinuating that EG, and possibly others around her were "addicts." I know EG had used some sort of drugs in the past, as that was mentioned by the courts in her custody case with her sons. But do we have any proof she used any drugs besides marijuana? I think we all agree she didn't look well on the court video, but do we ACTUALLY KNOW she is, or ever had been, a hard drug user? I feel like a lot of people's theories hinge on hard drug use, and drug dealers, etc...but I don't think we even know that was a factor.

Not directing this statement at anyone, just trying to keep us on a mindset of facts so we don't go off the path too much.

Just thinking out loud...

 

[tnith]

No matter how she disposed of the body, she was taking a risk of being caught disposing the body or of the body being found. It may not be easy to dispose of a body, but I think some methods are less risky than others. For example, if she was driving around with a corpse in her vehicle, she not only runs the risk of getting pulled over en route to her dump site, but she also runs the risk that human remains detection dogs will alert on her car later. Murder and body disposal are inherently risky.

Ah there are things we believe to be true, based on prevalence of information indicating that they are. I remember a time when the luxury of this ideal was within reach.


Murder is risky when:
1. Surroundings are such that death & signs of death inherently stand out;
2. One is visibly shaken or unable to behave/reciprocate in a manner as officers expect of normal individuals, or an officer familiar with individual/s recognizes their behaviour as out of place or odd;
3. A group involved is not equipped to deal with a fatality, planned or unplanned...

-At no point has Wichita PD shown that there was any reason to suspect EG for anything prior to her calling Lucas in as missing Saturday, February 16th.

-Her limited license is hardly grounds for searching or impounding the vehicle (typically ticketed, doors locked up, driver calls another to find some other way home/remove vehicle).

-She was not on their radar as a person of interest, and she could rest assured in her game face playing things into her hands, right up unto the point of being outed for the scam she ran (oh shock of shocks, that anyone should not believe her!).

When society continually throws suspicious characters a lifeline to avoid dealing with duplicitous, negligent and criminal behaviour, unfortunately, murder becomes 'less risky'.
As much as I hate to say it, we have here such a character who's been enabled her entire life, rewarded for refining an act, and entitled by lenience into this very category.

As always, seeking evidence to the contrary of EG directly removing Lucas from this life- often as not, it is maddeningly elusive in light of what was done long before and up till the stage His voice and light ceased to be seen. This was not overnight and it was not especially risky.

 

[Horror]

In Aus most if not all our police cars have this automatic scanner type thing. It scans the plates of cars and instantly pops up all the history of car and registered driver. Effectively flagging someone without them even doing anything wrong at that moment. I imagine US would have that. I'm thinking if the car is registered to her that would make it very risky to drive. I might be wrong but I think her license was restricted to needing a licences driver in car also ?
So IMO another car or reasonably close.


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[Busylady]

stated that the restricted drivers license did not impact her daily routine - post 554 - on 3/15 - not sure how to copy post over from one thread to another.

 

[Horror]

stated that the restricted drivers license did not impact her daily routine - post 554 - on 3/15 - not sure how to copy post over from one thread to another.

Thank you


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[Yellow Rose]

Oh for goodness sake i am so aggrieved that this beautiful boy has not been found and brought home yet! Where did you leave him EG?

 

[katydid23]

In Aus most if not all our police cars have this automatic scanner type thing. It scans the plates of cars and instantly pops up all the history of car and registered driver. Effectively flagging someone without them even doing anything wrong at that moment. I imagine US would have that. I'm thinking if the car is registered to her that would make it very risky to drive. I might be wrong but I think her license was restricted to needing a licences driver in car also ?
So IMO another car or reasonably close.


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I know we have that in a lot of cities. But maybe not in some towns yet. I am not sure if Wichita PD uses that technology or not.