Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #26

[ScarlettLin]

I think this is exactly what she did. Did she not think they would still try and find who the child was? Small bodies are not just laying all over the place. I do know there is still many to be found around Wichita. Those are all much older .

I read in the news last Friday there’s 53 missing in Ks

 

[motheroffour]

I was uncomfortable in the NG podcast when he told her make sure you tell them the story we discussed ( not exact words)

I cringed at that also but in context, he had said earlier in the podcast that he had ‘forgotten’ to tape their conversation from the day before, so I’m assuming he was prompting her back to their previous conversation.

 

[Kivalina]

I read in the news last Friday there’s 53 missing in Ks

Wow I had no idea there was this many. I wonder why most are never talked about .We know no names.

 

[Niner]

I read it as only a section of Lucas’ hair was bleached out white—- like a perfect strip from where the light entered it and hit his head. I think that’s very reasonable.

I saw this on "Bones" once. When the sun hits a particular spot everyday it will bleach it.

 

[ScarlettLin]

Wow I had no idea there was this many. I wonder why most are never talked about .We know no names.

It’s very sad. Although I wonder at that number because not too long ago DCF was missing 77 just from their rolls

 

[ScarlettLin]

Right, but the judge needs solid proof of those accusations to keep a bio mom away from her children.

Even in the case of alleged domestic violence between her and JH, that is not always enough to keep her from visitation rights.

And the allegations of abuse are just allegations, at this point. I really really hope that the DA is able to share some info with the presiding FamilY Court judge to prevent him from awarding her any kind of contact now.

Sadly, if the baby girl is with her family, she may be able to have a lot of access to her now.

Between the points of the ex’s filing and her ON RECORD admission of using drugs, I don’t think she’s going to have an easy go of getting visitation back if ever. Her refusal to attend court ordered classes. The battery charge against JH of her bio son. Her continued drug use. Domestic violence. Her involvement in Lucas’ demise and hiding him... it all will factor in.

 

[GigTu]

It's definitely frightening that she's out and about, but if she loses her temper again and commits another felony, she and her trash bag might have to stay in a cage forever beginning sooner than expected.

Oh my gosh, I totally laughed out loud. She and her trash bag... hilarious.

 

[Amonet]

I was uncomfortable in the NG podcast when he told her make sure you tell them the story we discussed ( not exact words)

Agreed! Especially as he said he didn't have a recording of the first day's talks to cover his behind.

 

[Busylady]

From what I understood she maintained her innocence and ignorance with JH the entire time, which was why DM sent him away, he felt he wasn’t going to get anywhere with her with JH there. And then he was shocked it all came out pretty much as soon as JH was gone... that was in the interview the PI did while driving back to NC IIRC

Maybe I misunderstood - but from the NG interview he stated he met with her on Wednesday and then Thursday he picked her up around noon (we hear the recording of him picking her up) and from the recordings and his conversation with NG she had already told him she found Lucas deceased in bed which would of been on Wednesday that he forgot to record. I agree she would not of led him to Lucas if Jonathan was there - my point is that she had already told the story that Lucas was deceased so Jonathan would of known that information before he left - thus the reason the PI told Jonathan she did it. I can see not being around but I would surely stay in town not 12 hours away. It is just something I can't wrap my head around.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Here is a paper on decomposition that shows stages in different environments. Please be warned, there are GRAPHIC IMAGES in this article so please do not click this link if images of decomposition will upset you. I found the paper interesting. This is from a student at “The Body Farm”.

http://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3167&context=utk_gradthes

Certainly a difference in results depending on age!

Here is a paper on decomposition that shows stages in different environments. Please be warned, there are GRAPHIC IMAGES in this article so please do not click this link if images of decomposition will upset you. I found the paper interesting. This is from a student at “The Body Farm”.

http://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3167&context=utk_gradthes

I certainly noticed the difference in progression between AGES! Excellent study, and I know they've done so many of these at the body farm. Thanks

 

[motheroffour]

Maybe I misunderstood - but from the NG interview he stated he met with her on Wednesday and then Thursday he picked her up around noon (we hear the recording of him picking her up) and from the recordings and his conversation with NG she had already told him she found Lucas deceased in bed which would of been on Wednesday that he forgot to record. I agree she would not of led him to Lucas if Jonathan was there - my point is that she had already told the story that Lucas was deceased so Jonathan would of known that information before he left - thus the reason the PI told Jonathan she did it. I can see not being around but I would surely stay in town not 12 hours away. It is just something I can't wrap my head around.

I am going to listen again also because the timeline is a little fuzzy to me but, I thought he had spoken to JH first and determined that he wasn’t the focus of his (DM) objective. The way I interpreted events was, he then told JH to go on and do whatever he needed to do, go to work or whatever because EG wouldn’t give up what she was hiding if JH was around. Later in the podcast, after the search was either underway or completed, he asked EG if she wanted to tell JH or if she wanted him to tell JH, which I took it that this was going to be a revelation to JH. Again, I could have heard wrong. It’s funny how so many people can hear the same recording and come away with different interpretations. It’s like that old game of gossip.

 

[Busylady]

JH jury trial rescheduled to 7-16-2018

 

[Busylady]

I am going to listen again also because the timeline is a little fuzzy to me but, I thought he had spoken to JH first and determined that he wasn’t the focus of his (DM) objective. The way I interpreted events was, he then told JH to go on and do whatever he needed to do, go to work or whatever because EG wouldn’t give up what she was hiding if JH was around. Later in the podcast, after the search was either underway or completed, he asked EG if she wanted to tell JH or if she wanted him to tell JH, which I took it that this was going to be a revelation to JH. Again, I could have heard wrong. It’s funny how so many people can hear the same recording and come away with different interpretations. It’s like that old game of gossip.

I will listen again as well - I thought the talk about tell JH was that Lucas had been found. The timeline just doesn't make sense to me - he spoke to EG and JH Wednesday - but didn't speak to EG again until Thursday when he picked her up around noon and when he picked her up he already knew the story of Lucas found deceased in bed and the reason for picking her up was so she could led him to the body. I thought the point of sending JH away was because the PI didn't think EG would led him to Lucas if JH was there - he talked about EG being scared when JH was there Wednesday.

 

[casesensitive]

Maybe I misunderstood - but from the NG interview he stated he met with her on Wednesday and then Thursday he picked her up around noon (we hear the recording of him picking her up) and from the recordings and his conversation with NG she had already told him she found Lucas deceased in bed which would of been on Wednesday that he forgot to record. I agree she would not of led him to Lucas if Jonathan was there - my point is that she had already told the story that Lucas was deceased so Jonathan would of known that information before he left - thus the reason the PI told Jonathan she did it. I can see not being around but I would surely stay in town not 12 hours away. It is just something I can't wrap my head around.

In the first NG segment, the PI states that shortly after he and EG were in the truck on Thursday, she just came out with the statement that she found Lucas dead in bed.

 

[WildcatRunner]

Today I am less emotional and the not filing charges by the DA makes a lot more sense now I’ve rolled it through my mind more. She was arrested for obstruction. If they filed that charge now, several things could play out to the detriment of the bigger case. 1, her attorney could push for a speedy trial, and it could be over and done before tox even comes back. And 2, to prove obstruction, they would have to prove what she was obstructing, right? And so would have to hand over way more in discovery than I’m sure they want to before the big charges come down- same as with the CE charge being amended for only MH and excluding Lucas for now.
I am more sure than before they have a solid plan.

I think you hit the nail on the head with #2. I don't think they ever planned to pursue that, unless they had a COD and could add additional charges and were therefore ready to show their hand.

 

[GigTu]

Here is the list of official missing children in all of Kansas.
Missing Children In Kansas | Douglas County Kansas

 

[GigTu]

Here's a simple explanation of why she was released from jail and no charges against her 'today'.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2078548542370128

 

[Busylady]

In the first NG segment, the PI states that shortly after he and EG were in the truck on Thursday, she just came out with the statement that she found Lucas dead in bed.

Thus where the confusion comes in because we hear on the recording (2nd interview) PI state it is 12:26 pm on way to pick up EG possibly lead to LH remains. Then EG gets in truck tell her it isn't gonna be as bad as she thinks - Marsha talks about posting bond for her. They already know the story of Lucas being found deceased in the bed.

 

[alexwood]

Agreed! Especially as he said he didn't have a recording of the first day's talks to cover his behind.

Yeah. Now that you mention it, not having recorded the first day . . .? That was not a mere oversight, in my opinion.

 

[motheroffour]

I think you hit the nail on the head with #2. I don't think they ever planned to pursue that, unless they had a COD and could add additional charges and were therefore ready to show their hand.

And eerily (or maybe just because it’s how the law works) DH told her that is exactly what was going to happen in terms of what she would be charged with.
My question is this, if the ME report comes back inconclusive as to COD, will the original charge of obstruction then be reinstated since it was dismissed without prejudice? I ask because if EG is not charged with murder because of lack of evidence, at the very least I would hope she would be charged and found guilty of felony obstruction.