Identified! KY - Elizabethtown, Fem UP11327, bee earrings, May'13 - Madiha Roshdy

[carbuff]

lol it's ok, I watch SVU I only brought up the ear lobe being damaged because of the extensive head trauma. I'm assuming extensive because their "decomposition" levels kept changing. Unless a person is badly burned or water logged - 2-5 days shouldn't eradicate their nationality. But if blunt force trauma happened .. and she was olive complexion or tan.. it would make things confusing (I guess, still doesn't make sense to me).

I noticed the decomp around the hood of the shirt to be more one sided, I'm wondering if that's the side without the earring? I really can't help but wonder how much LE is withholding. A lot doesn't add up here.

I agree that there's a lot we haven't been told, and without the complete information, it doesn't add up.

I started to think about some of the things that could cause skin discoloration, and decided I really didn't want to go there...

 

[carbuff]

@AstroKitty - you mentioned the paint.
I enlarged the picture of the hoodie and the paint seems to be to one side.
I wondered if the paint was a clue of some sort as to her last movements or who she was with or the environment she was in (maybe a van or truck with paint tins)? Or just a shirt she wore for doing chores?

Is that paint? I thought it looked like dried vomit.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

These look like the clothes of a woman in the younger years of the age spectrum LE provided. Early 20's.

The band on the ring looks rather cheap and flimsy. Looks like something I had bought at a costume jewelry store like Claire's when I was 15. I don't believe the ring to be a significant heirloom IMHO.

Also significant is the ring was on her middle finger, not her ring/marriage finger.

So from what we can surmise, she may not be married.

Many young women I know find it fashionable to wear the ring on the middle finger. Young women ranging from teens to mid 20's.

I often become rather worried when I hear of unfortunate findings of bodies by the highway, especially I-65 considering it runs the length of Kentucky to Florida. It is a commerce/trucking route and I worry about the possibility we are dealing with a suspect that might be in the trucking/freight industry.



Have we checked specifically the other states I-65 runs through (Florida, Alabama, Tennessee) to see if there is a missing person with a description matching our sweet lost Jane Doe?

Let's bring her home.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I didn't read it in the article but I know you guys are on top of this...

How long did LE say they estimated victim was deceased/decomposing before finding her?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11333


Status Unidentified
Case number 13-584
Date found May 29, 2013 00:00
Date created May 30, 2013 10:18
Date last modified June 24, 2013 17:30


"Scars and marks "
"two possible linear scars on the right leg and one on the left leg"

"Fingerprints taken at autopsy by KSP and additional set obtained by AFIS unit; *** This examiner converted the fingerprint images into the NCIC Fingerprint Classification System. *** WMB Fingerprint Specialist *** This examiner uploaded all fingerprint images into the "Image Section" as received, individually. *** WMB Fingerprint Specialist"

"DNA Samples submitted - Tests not complete".

With the linear scars on the legs

and

difficulty determining exact height of our Jane Doe,

could she possibly of had surgery or injuries to Her legs in her medical history that left her with some scoliosis/posture/spinal issues?

 

[AstroKitty]

Is that paint? I thought it looked like dried vomit.

vomit would wash away in the elements, but paint would dry into the fabric and "seal" it - not washing away without rigorous soap and right away. Looks like she splashed paint on herself & it looks like indoor too. Vomit would also go either across the hood (where her head was laying) or down the front of the outfit - I can't see it splashing in a thin bit and just right there.

 

[AstroKitty]

With the linear scars on the legs

and

difficulty determining exact height of our Jane Doe,

could she possibly of had surgery or injuries to Her legs in her medical history that left her with some scoliosis/posture/spinal issues?

See, this is another one of those "factoids" that don't add up. If she was only out there for a few days, why can't they determine height? (a real question, not snark). I'm only assuming she doesn't have a spinal or bone issue because I *think* they would have noted it. Her posture and pain levels would have been something she remarked on. My oldest has scoliosis and a pigeon chest from it. We've had an cardio tests and yearly MRI's since he was 10. It's very easy to see he has it and he is very active. Also often with scoliosis - flat feet are present. Random stuff I've learned. I'm curious if her back was broken and that's why they can't determine her height? That's a good question though - can anyone answer this?

 

[AstroKitty]

I didn't read it in the article but I know you guys are on top of this...

How long did LE say they estimated victim was deceased/decomposing before finding her?

2-5 days is what I read in 3 places (which makes NO sense with their reports of nationality being undetermined and her height being unknown).

 

[AstroKitty]

These look like the clothes of a woman in the younger years of the age spectrum LE provided. Early 20's.

The band on the ring looks rather cheap and flimsy. Looks like something I had bought at a costume jewelry store like Claire's when I was 15. I don't believe the ring to be a significant heirloom IMHO.

Also significant is the ring was on her middle finger, not her ring/marriage finger.

So from what we can surmise, she may not be married.

Many young women I know find it fashionable to wear the ring on the middle finger. Young women ranging from teens to mid 20's.

I often become rather worried when I hear of unfortunate findings of bodies by the highway, especially I-65 considering it runs the length of Kentucky to Florida. It is a commerce/trucking route and I worry about the possibility we are dealing with a suspect that might be in the trucking/freight industry.



Have we checked specifically the other states I-65 runs through (Florida, Alabama, Tennessee) to see if there is a missing person with a description matching our sweet lost Jane Doe?

Let's bring her home.

I-65 runs to Northern Indiana (Gary). You then jump on 90/94 to get to Chicago. I have lived in IN, Chicago proper (near downtown) and also Etown (elizabeth town). I can drive I-65 that route with my eyes closed (ok, not really but you know what I mean). Its a major trucker route. Off topic but I'm terrified of truckers because of stories like these (even if we don't know that a trucker was involved).

 

[Treelights]

vomit would wash away in the elements, but paint would dry into the fabric and "seal" it - not washing away without rigorous soap and right away. Looks like she splashed paint on herself & it looks like indoor too. Vomit would also go either across the hood (where her head was laying) or down the front of the outfit - I can't see it splashing in a thin bit and just right there.

Her upper torso was wrapped, and originally the Kentucky State Police did not release what she was wrapped in. Later, they mentioned a bed sheet and a tropical fish shower curtain, that she was wrapped in.They showed the public a photo of the shower curtain.
So, it could be paint, or vomit or ?

 

[AstroKitty]

Her upper torso was wrapped, and originally the Kentucky State Police did not release what she was wrapped in. Later, they mentioned a bed sheet and a tropical fish shower curtain, that she was wrapped in.They showed the public a photo of the shower curtain.
So, it could be paint, or vomit or ?

Scientifically he couldn't be vomit. Vomit WOULD crust but her decomposition would "wash" it off (there is blood and plasma on her clothing). I'm about 99.9% it's paint. I wonder why she was wrapped other than she was killed elsewhere and transported (avoiding blood on the interior of a vehicle). If there was vomit it would be in logical parts of her clothing and not in just one lil' spot.

 

[Houston Mom]

I-65 runs to Northern Indiana (Gary). You then jump on 90/94 to get to Chicago. I have lived in IN, Chicago proper (near downtown) and also Etown (elizabeth town). I can drive I-65 that route with my eyes closed (ok, not really but you know what I mean). Its a major trucker route. Off topic but I'm terrified of truckers because of stories like these (even if we don't know that a trucker was involved).

Not me, I take a lot of road trips and view truckers as my friends. I can tell they watch out for me! Often I trail them in a rainstorm or at night. They are my beacon.

 

[carbuff]

Not me, I take a lot of road trips and view truckers as my friends. I can tell they watch out for me! Often I trail them in a rainstorm or at night. They are my beacon.

It's like so many other things -- a few bad apples give a bad name to the huge majority who are wonderful helpful people.

 

[carbuff]

See, this is another one of those "factoids" that don't add up. If she was only out there for a few days, why can't they determine height? (a real question, not snark). I'm only assuming she doesn't have a spinal or bone issue because I *think* they would have noted it. Her posture and pain levels would have been something she remarked on. My oldest has scoliosis and a pigeon chest from it. We've had an cardio tests and yearly MRI's since he was 10. It's very easy to see he has it and he is very active. Also often with scoliosis - flat feet are present. Random stuff I've learned. I'm curious if her back was broken and that's why they can't determine her height? That's a good question though - can anyone answer this?

I'm starting to wonder whether she wasn't intact.

 

[AstroKitty]

I'm starting to wonder whether she wasn't intact.

that was my thought as well. for one reason or another - this case actually scares me. i can't figure out why either.

 

[carbuff]

that was my thought as well. for one reason or another - this case actually scares me. i can't figure out why either.

It's the same feeling I had when Jessica Ridgway was missing. Like we were touching incomprehensible evil.

This is I-65. Runs from Gary IN to Mobile AL. Since she was in the northbound lane, I'd guess she's more likely to be from Mobile, Montgomery, Birmingham, Huntsville, Nashville than from places to the north. If she's not local, that is. But I kind of think she's local. http://goo.gl/maps/hE3Ty

Edited to add: While I was looking at the photos of where the body was found, I noticed this story about a body found in Jeffersonville IN, just across the river from Louisville: http://www.wlky.com/news/local-news...ille/-/9718538/20714122/-/bckwm6/-/index.html Probably nothing but it kind of struck me odd so soon after this woman's death.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I-65 runs to Northern Indiana (Gary). You then jump on 90/94 to get to Chicago. I have lived in IN, Chicago proper (near downtown) and also Etown (elizabeth town). I can drive I-65 that route with my eyes closed (ok, not really but you know what I mean). Its a major trucker route. Off topic but I'm terrified of truckers because of stories like these (even if we don't know that a trucker was involved).

Not to mention the issue of prostitution and sex trafficking at truck stops being conducted by young women (and men!) with truckers to an alarming degree.

Bc there been no positive ID yet by family members, I'm worried she may have been a prostitute OR undocumented.... Or both.

Yet we find that they make note of her nails being cared for and still partially painted. Typically well kept hands might indicate a person who is not involved in primarily manual labor. I do believe she had paint on her sweater, but I wonder if they found paint on her hands/skin. If not, then the paint might be from a previous day of painting Jane Doe had OR paint from the suspects home/car/etc.

The colors don't match on fingers and toes, and in fact the sparkly toenails seem like a polish choice a younger female would make. She liked sparkly things it seems. She liked the color pink by look of her pants, the studs on her sweater, and the pink stud in the earring. This does not seem like a person that does not care/respect for themselves/hygiene. She even had red highlights - usually takes a little money and effort to get subtle highlights.

Thank you for letting me know the trucking routes around the area! This is such a puzzling case.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Also glad the idiot decided to wrap her up as they can be used as evidence and also might be able to be traced back to whoever bought them.

 

[FigTree]

Her upper torso was wrapped, and originally the Kentucky State Police did not release what she was wrapped in. Later, they mentioned a bed sheet and a tropical fish shower curtain, that she was wrapped in.They showed the public a photo of the shower curtain.
So, it could be paint, or vomit or ?

Is there a picture of the shower curtain somewhere? I haven't seen it.
I wondered then if the body had been in a boot of a car and the shower curtain was lining the boot. She may have been carried to the boot in the bed sheet and dumped onto the curtain - then taken from the boot wrapped in both.
There must be some evidence on the sheet and shower curtain as to who was involved with this.
I think the cream coloured markings on the sweater are also something synthetic - like paint.

 

[FigTree]

Just my opinion and speculation below

I have been looking at the ring and I enlarged the pic and cropped it.
I have worked with cabochons and understand many of them are acrylic - or plastic - or stones which have been heat treated/dyed to look like another stone in colour.

The picture I took on the left hand side in the attachment shows 4 cabochon pieces - 3 of them have acrylic turquoise in them and 1 has a treated stone which is meant to look like a real turquoise. On the right hand side is the ring.

Real stones - unless highly polished have a different light reflection off their surfaces than acrylic.

my opinion is that the cabochon in the centre of the ring:
a) is possibly not the original stone - the setting of the cabochon is too low (unless it had a domed cover over it) - and it isn't a good fit.
b) that the cabochon in the ring may not be real turquoise but acrylic.

if so,
It would reduce this rings value significantly - and may be a reason it wasn't taken from the victim if it is an imitation ring or if it has been modified it would be easily identified as the victims if the ring was found somewhere else or in someone else's possession.

Also, it would make the ring very distinctive if the real stone has been replaced. This would be a one off.

(note: the colour difference of the stones is the camera - the cabs in the jewelry are *very close to the same colour as the ring cab)
ETA: The ring colour is brighter as it has had its contrast lifted to get a better clearer pic of it.