GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #5

[LSLX]

Do drug dealers use these type of phones? There are a few possibilities.

Drug dealers, hookers and Johns, cheating spouses, OC members, basically anyone who has a need or desire for covert, untraceable communication all use them regularly.

 

[Clodumbo]

Road trip? Where are you coming from? You mention more info. Is there something I can do on my end that would help you since I am local?

I am about 2 hours and 30 minutes away from this area. If you or anybody are close to Waveland, I just want to verify the following information please:

1. Is the Garfield Ladner Memorial Pier in Waveland, MS really 12,000 feet long? If so, that’s about the length of 40 football fields. That’s a very long pier! I have noticed in the pictures that it also zig-zags too.
I wonder how far out in the water is it - from the beach to the end of the pier?

2. Does this pier have working security lights throughout the pier? Not that it would make
much of a difference. I’m guessing a few lights maybe out, due to city budget problems?

3. Does this pier have surveillance cameras?

Being that MAS & TS are both broke - would it be easier to use a pier, then to use a boat?

Remember that the torso was found at around 6:00pm on Thursday, June 07 in Bay St Louis. Could the torso have arrived on the beach earlier and nobody saw it until later that day? Is there a lot of foot traffic in this area of the beach?

Looking from the angle on Google Earth - this pier could be the spot, since this pier is open
24 hours according to a website. I'm not really sure, but it's my calculated guess.

 

[Knox]

WLOX ‏@WLOX Investigators find new number in Lockhart's phone: Hancock County Sheriff's Department's Chief Investigator Glen... http://bit.ly/PigPS4

Is this the new development? Story not up on the website yet.

ETA-I see now this is not new. Maybe the new development is that they found a witness?

 

[Vann]

I am about 2 hours and 30 minutes away from this area. If you or anybody are close to Waveland, I just want to verify the following information please:

1. Is the Garfield Ladner Memorial Pier in Waveland, MS really 12,000 feet long? If so, that’s about the length of 40 football fields. That’s a very long pier! I have noticed in the pictures that it also zig-zags too.
I wonder how far out in the water is it - from the beach to the end of the pier?

2. Does this pier have working security lights throughout the pier? Not that it would make
much of a difference. I’m guessing a few lights maybe out, due to city budget problems?

3. Does this pier have surveillance cameras?

Being that MAS & TS are both broke - would it be easier to use a pier, then to use a boat?

Remember that the torso was found at around 6:00pm on Thursday, June 07 in Bay St Louis. Could the torso have arrived on the beach earlier and nobody saw it until later that day? Is there a lot of foot traffic in this area of the beach?

Looking from the angle on Google Earth - this pier could be the spot, since this pier is open
24 hours according to a website. I'm not really sure, but it's my calculated guess.

The fact that just because the torso was discovered at 6pm does not mean that's when it washed up. Could have been several minutes or several hours.
I brought that up in the beginning because that fact is still unclear.
I will see what info I can find on the pier. I live in Waveland and am a couple of blocks from the beach.

 

[Clodumbo]

The fact that just because the torso was discovered at 6pm does not mean that's when it washed up. Could have been several minutes or several hours.
I brought that up in the beginning because that fact is still unclear.
I will see what info I can find on the pier. I live in Waveland and am a couple of blocks from the beach.

Great minds think alike! Thank you my friend! I owe you one.

:gthanks:

 

[melwltrs58]

I am about 2 hours and 30 minutes away from this area. If you or anybody are close to Waveland, I just want to verify the following information please:

1. Is the Garfield Ladner Memorial Pier in Waveland, MS really 12,000 feet long? If so, that’s about the length of 40 football fields. That’s a very long pier! I have noticed in the pictures that it also zig-zags too.
I wonder how far out in the water is it - from the beach to the end of the pier?

2. Does this pier have working security lights throughout the pier? Not that it would make
much of a difference. I’m guessing a few lights maybe out, due to city budget problems?

3. Does this pier have surveillance cameras?

Being that MAS & TS are both broke - would it be easier to use a pier, then to use a boat?

Remember that the torso was found at around 6:00pm on Thursday, June 07 in Bay St Louis. Could the torso have arrived on the beach earlier and nobody saw it until later that day? Is there a lot of foot traffic in this area of the beach?

Looking from the angle on Google Earth - this pier could be the spot, since this pier is open
24 hours according to a website. I'm not really sure, but it's my calculated guess.

http://www.sos.ms.gov/media_photo.aspx?id=6

The 12,000 foot pier is one of the longest on the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

http://www.wlox.com/global/story.asp?s=12289825

"This pier is where families can come out and enjoy the natural environment with 24 hour lighted security it's safe for the families," said Mayor Tommy Longo


I don't think there are surveillance cameras. MOO

 

[resqx]

Coming up at 5pm on WLOX....new info on the Jaren Lockhart murder case

hope its something good...its been way too quiet :desert:

 

[bessie]

Is this the new development? Story not up on the website yet.

ETA-I see now this is not new. Maybe the new development is that they found a witness?

That would be awesome, Knox. We'll have to wait and see. :crossfingers:

From what we read earlier, LE is interested in a telephone number from which a call was placed to Jaren's phone. They have not yet identified who the number belongs to, but said the person could be a potential witness. The story was posted once early this morning and updated at noon. Now both are gone.

 

[bessie]

Latest article is online.

They are tracking down hundreds of phone numbers belonging to the Louisiana woman and the two suspects...

"To see if the last point that we can definitively say that Jaren was okay at this time until after her disappearance, to see if the phone has been turned off, if anybody else is using her phone, to see if we can find her phone," said Steve Saucier, the lead investigator with the Hancock County Sheriff's Department.

http://www.wlox.com/story/19051345/investigators-track-down-phone-records-in-lockhart-murder-case

The article also says MAS and TS are not talking.

 

[Vann]

That would be awesome, Knox. We'll have to wait and see. :crossfingers:

From what we read earlier, LE is interested in a telephone number from which a call was placed to Jaren's phone. They have not yet identified who the number belongs to, but said the person could be a potential witness. The story was posted once early this morning and updated at noon. Now both are gone.

I'm so glad there is new info being broadcasted. LE stated that the tips coming in were less frequent (in so many words). Keeping it in the media is what is going to keep this case moving forward IMO.

 

[75Scout]

The fact that just because the torso was discovered at 6pm does not mean that's when it washed up. Could have been several minutes or several hours.
I brought that up in the beginning because that fact is still unclear.
I will see what info I can find on the pier. I live in Waveland and am a couple of blocks from the beach.

Where was the tide, low/high at 6pm?

What about the possibility that she had been buried in the sand at the place where her torso was discovered?

 

[bessie]

The fact that just because the torso was discovered at 6pm does not mean that's when it washed up. Could have been several minutes or several hours.
I brought that up in the beginning because that fact is still unclear.
I will see what info I can find on the pier. I live in Waveland and am a couple of blocks from the beach.

I totally agree. The timing depends on where it originated, and we don't have that answer yet. In the beginning, we (many of us) followed LE's lead when they speculated it was possible the remains washed up from New Orleans because of the high west winds. I had hoped by now they would have released some word about the findings of the "tidal experts".

I was looking over early reports and thought it might be a good idea to re-post a couple. This is one of the first articles published.

"She was found at the tide line on the beach at Bay Oaks" Chief Investigator Glenn Grannan said at the scene Thursday

This is from an article on 06/08.

Based on yesterday's high winds and high tides, Bass said it appeared likely that the torso floated in from somewhere toward the west of Bay St. Louis. There were no signs of a homicide taking place at the beach, he said.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/06/womans_torso_washes_up_in_bay.html

 

[Crab trap]

BSL charged with two counts of first degree murder - M Shunick and Lisa Pate in 1999. WOW!

 

[Maiko]

That pier is nice!

I'm glad to see something new, I hope LE is getting closer to solving this!

I wish we knew how long she had been in the water.

 

[Vann]

High tide for Bay St Louis/Waveland on June 7 2012 was at 2pm at 2.2 ft.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Shhh, don't mention him three times in a row or her may pop up again with another ridiculous video about the "cereal killer". He lost all credibility with me when he used the term "cereal killer" instead of "serial killer".

I just had another thought about the plan that MAS and TS may have had to cover themselves. I don't think they figured on Jaren's body appearing so fast (or thought it would never show up). They just figured she would be just another missing person who the cops would assume took off.

NOPD barely has time in solving the relentless killings in the city, much less tracking down missing women, especially if they don't even know if she took off or was kidnapped. So maybe MAS and TS kept Jaren's phone and were going to use it in a week or two to place a few calls to make it look like Jaren had just taken off on her own somewhere. Or ditch her purse or a few belongings in a truck stop after a week or so.

But Jaren outwitted them by being found so fast and the jig was up.

I don't know why they would be so stupid to be on video leaving with her but I guess they figured they were smart enough to come up with an alibi and a story of how they left Jaren safe and sound someplace, or that Jaren left town on her own. But witnesses said they seemed desperate and desperate times call for desperate measures and they took a chance that they could outwit police.

But they surely didn't count on 11 different police departments in 3 states getting involved due to their stupidity. They just thought it would be NOPD on the case and we all know how ineffective and overwhelmed NOPD is.

Thank you swamp mama! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN MY POST YESTERDAY.. glad to see Jessen and I aren't the only ones who see this as a likely possibility..

BTW. .

..Jessen!

 

[SmoothOperator]

Wow now from all the above links there is zero mention of this being a one time throw away phone.. seems as tho this story has been edited and re edited down to basically a phone number is in question that was found in Jaren's records.. info seems to be intentially removed quite quickly.. wonder if they realized for some reason that was way too much info for the public to have(who knows why) ..or maybe they extremely quickly got the answers they were looking for and therefore immediately redacted the info as it was no longer necessary to have as public knowledge? ..idk*shrug*

 

[Crab trap]

http://www.sos.ms.gov/media_photo.aspx?id=6

The 12,000 foot pier is one of the longest on the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

http://www.wlox.com/global/story.asp?s=12289825

"This pier is where families can come out and enjoy the natural environment with 24 hour lighted security it's safe for the families," said Mayor Tommy Longo


I don't think there are surveillance cameras. MOO

Tommy Longo hasn't been mayor for several years - article is old. No way it's 12,000 ft long - it's approx 1000 ft over water. Area isn't as secluded as many other places on Waveland coast. People fish there most nights. I would say that it would be unusual for the pier to be completely empty. But, when you're night fishing, you usually have a cooler that you're dragging/rolling to end of pier. At the end are the "shark fishermen". Often people are dumping large fish they've caught back into the Gulf so if no one is else there, it would be easy and not usual to drop contents of cooler off the end. We've seen some very large stingrays (10+ ft) under the lights - pier is lit for night fishing, attracting the fish to area.

Everyone talking about dropping contents off beaches in the area, especially around Long Beach and the Pass - it's just not feasible. Beaches are wide in Waveland and BSL and even wider in the Pass and LB. You would have to walk out 40-50 yards in Waveland and at night, you'd walk forever to even get to water above your ankles. That's why people are out floundering most nights.

Much more likely that Jaren was dropped off end of G-L Pier, concrete pier in Clermont Harbor (think it's called Am. Legion Pier), around Silver Slipper or back by Bordages (Lakeshore). Or, around marsh areas by piers and across from Bucaneer Park (or back part of Bucaneer which has water that eads out to Gulf).

There's also area where Beach Blvd ends by Hollywood Casino. So many secluded areas but beaches aren't a possibility - no water close by at night and too much activity during the day.

JMO

 

[Crab trap]

Should say "not unusual" rather than usual - and water behind Bucaneer "leads" out to Gulf.

 

[Vann]

Tommy Longo hasn't been mayor for several years - article is old. No way it's 12,000 ft long - it's approx 1000 ft over water. Area isn't as secluded as many other places on Waveland coast. People fish there most nights. I would say that it would be unusual for the pier to be completely empty. But, when you're night fishing, you usually have a cooler that you're dragging/rolling to end of pier. At the end are the "shark fishermen". Often people are dumping large fish they've caught back into the Gulf so if no one is else there, it would be easy and not usual to drop contents of cooler off the end. We've seen some very large stingrays (10+ ft) under the lights - pier is lit for night fishing, attracting the fish to area.

Everyone talking about dropping contents off beaches in the area, especially around Long Beach and the Pass - it's just not feasible. Beaches are wide in Waveland and BSL and even wider in the Pass and LB. You would have to walk out 40-50 yards in Waveland and at night, you'd walk forever to even get to water above your ankles. That's why people are out floundering most nights.

Much more likely that Jaren was dropped off end of G-L Pier, concrete pier in Clermont Harbor (think it's called Am. Legion Pier), around Silver Slipper or back by Bordages (Lakeshore). Or, around marsh areas by piers and across from Bucaneer Park (or back part of Bucaneer which has water that eads out to Gulf).

There's also area where Beach Blvd ends by Hollywood Casino. So many secluded areas but beaches aren't a possibility - no water close by at night and too much activity during the day.

JMO

Maybe it's 12000 sq. ft. Not 12000 ft long. I think the article just left off the "sq ft" part. Or it was a typo and added one to may Zeros . 1200 not 12000