GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #6

[Breazy]

Checking in and keeping up for Jaren! I hope & pray justice comes!!! lease:

 

[Clodumbo]

Never added up to me either, Bessie. This makes way more sense.

So where was this after-hours sex party & who all was there?

I don't think that there was any after-hours sex party.That was probably the "lure" to get a dancer to go with them. But, I am sure that it had something to do with illegal drugs and a promise to make a lot of money.

If there was an after-hours sex party - sadly, the sex party participants were probably their intended victim, MAS and TS. I feel that they have acted alone in this case.

- JMO

 

[reedus23]

The part I bolded has changed from the initial report, and is more in line with what I suspected in the beginning. That business of "a treat" for TS never did add up for me.

Read more here: http://www.sunherald.com/2013/01/13...ain-in-case-of-dismembered.html#storylink=cpy​

Anyway, many thanks to Chief Inspector Glenn Grannan and the Hancock County Sheriff's Department for maintaining an open file on Jaren, and to the SunHerald for keeping her name and face in the public eye.

J4J

http://www.sunherald.com/2013/01/13...ain-in-case-of-dismembered.html#storylink=cpy​

Couldn't agree more. I think it's a good example of how you don't have to disclose all the details of your investigation while still letting the public know that the investigation is still active and not cold.

As for the sex party, I just don't know what to make of it. On the one hand, it makes sense, but on the other hand, part of me keeps saying the more people involved the less likely it is everything remains hush hush. I am going to assume neither TS nor MAS told LE who was involved at this "party". It would seem to me their easy out would have been to LE "We didn't do it. We dropped her off with X, Y and Z and left." If that's the case, either there was no sex party or it would seem to me those at the "party" are just a complicit because why else would TS and MAS try to protect them. Unfortunately, it all leads right back to me scratching my head for answers.

 

[SurfieTX]

I wonder if TS and MAS were on Fetlife.

 

[SwampMama]

Is it possible that one of the things we are waiting on with the forensics by the FBI is where the murder occurred (& which jurisdiction will charge them)?

I think it's possible Jaren was murdered at MAS's Kenner home (Jefferson Parish), somewhere along the Mississippi coast line near where her body washed ashore, or in New Orleans/Orleans Parish (or in between New Orleans & the Mississippi coast (perhaps in MAS's car). Seems it might be important to know not only how the death occurred & who's responsible but where it occurred so charges are pressed in the right place. [However, Mickey Shunick's killer abducted her in Lafayette Parish but confessed to killing her in Acadia Parish. He was charged in Lafayette Parish. I think this was because the start of the crime occurred in Lafayette or something. So maybe jurisdiction doesn't necessarily matter as for where the actual murder occurred versus where the crime started, unless maybe it would matter due to the possibility of different states rather than different parishes in LA- if the start of the crime (abduction; and she may have went willingly but under LA law if someone is "enticed" into leaving like she was, it's still an abduction) was in one state (Louisiana) and the murder was in another (Mississippi).]

I feel like I just talked myself in a circle. Sigh.

Glad to see Jaren's case is at least getting some new coverage. My thoughts are often with her child & fiancé, hoping that he can overcome this & get his life back on track for their daughter. You can tell from Jaren's pictures that she was a beautiful person but also a beautiful soul & from her writings/postings online that she was also smart & deep. If she had been raised in another set of circumstances with more opportunities, who knows what she would have been able to do. I hope her fiancé gets it together & is able to try to give their beautiful little girl all the opportunities Jaren never had.

BBM.. I am fairly sure that the murder did not occur in the house in Kenner (Jefferson Parish). My grams house is 4 blocks from there and I watched as the police were there and they were in that house a day or less and then left and it was not secured with crime scene tape. If there had been any evidence of Jaren being there, surely they would have stayed longer and secured the scene.

The Kenner house was in the opposite direction from Mississippi where Jaren's body was located. It seems likely they picked up Jaren and headed east (the house was to the west about 30 minutes or more away). New Orleans East is notoriously deserted since Katrina and there are lots of empty places and spaces, then there are camps beyond there and then Mississippi.

Believe me, I am so frustrated by the lack of progress in this case.

 

[reedus23]

Believe me, I am so frustrated by the lack of progress in this case.

I'd be lying if I didn't say the thought hasn't crossed my mind to move to New Orleans, take the bar, run for DA and file charges immediately. There might not be a ton of direct evidence but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to bring charges on and be successful with. Besides that, TS and particularly MAS will continue to snub their noses at the law until the you know what gets real.

 

[Ms. Shagwell]

I'd be lying if I didn't say the thought hasn't crossed my mind to move to New Orleans, take the bar, run for DA and file charges immediately. There might not be a ton of direct evidence but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to bring charges on and be successful with. Besides that, TS and particularly MAS will continue to snub their noses at the law until the you know what gets real.

Taking the three-day weekend to catch up recent posts. Unless something comes back from the FBI to change the location of Jaren's murder and discovery of her remains, it sounds like the charges will be coming from Hancock, MS or one of the nearby counties on the MS coast. I'm not sure if NOLA's DA Cannizaro can charge MAS and TS with anything other than transporting Jaren across state lines for the purpose of an (illegal) sex party, or if there were illegal drug transactions that took place before they left city limits with her, but I have to believe that the only reason they ended up in MS was because the "party" was there, as was the scene of Jaren's murder.

If MAS and TS murdered Jaren in or around NOLA, it would not have made sense to take the drive to MS and risk being stopped by LE or ID'd by any other bystanders. If they killed her in LA, they could have disposed of her body in so many remote areas inside of the LA state line and maybe even would have delayed the discovery of it had they done so. It seems the "party" and murder must have been in MS for Jaren's remains to have washed ashore where they did.

Having worked in one of NOLA's most popular restaurants for locals and tourists in college, I know there is an incredible amount of drug-use and alcohol abuse in many restaurants, bars, and clubs in NOLA. Some lend themselves to more of one or both than others. I've lost count of how many good people I had worked with who OD'd in the company of "friends," and unfortunately, how many students I've had in 20 years of teaching who have done the same. After Katrina, NOLA had an epidemic of high school and college students, sons and daughters of prominent doctors and business owners in our city, who were battling heroine addictions and lost the fight. Those, some college students themselves, caught selling and supplying drugs to these young victims were slapped with harsh sentences.

I still believe that Jaren accepted the offer to join MAS and TS for a "private party" where she would be paid as a dancer-possibly with drugs and/or cash- because she was comfortable with them and had worked theses parties before. I think it's quite possible that Jaren decided she was not going to close the deal, or she had a bad reaction to drugs they were using, and was stabbed as she tried to defend herself, or in a panic by someone with her who didn't know what to do with a drugged dancer (escorted across state lines for a sex party, possibly in an offer of prostitution, with illegal drugs involved.)

What do you do when you (MAS and TS) are both doped up, and one of you is hiding from an RSO criminal record behind a mountain of aliases, with the other one so incapacitated that she believes she has married a man who is now using her last name as his, and you've killed someone? In a drugged panic, do you do the same thing a "friend" had done six years before?

It seems as though this case should be a lot easier to solve than it is, but why hasn't it? What are the other dancers, club owners, French Quarter regulars hiding? Who are they protecting? Why is it taking so long to bring justice to Jaren?

 

[bessie]

I don't think that there was any after-hours sex party.That was probably the "lure" to get a dancer to go with them. But, I am sure that it had something to do with illegal drugs and a promise to make a lot of money.

If there was an after-hours sex party - sadly, the sex party participants were probably their intended victim, MAS and TS. I feel that they have acted alone in this case.

- JMO

Couldn't agree more. I think it's a good example of how you don't have to disclose all the details of your investigation while still letting the public know that the investigation is still active and not cold.

As for the sex party, I just don't know what to make of it. On the one hand, it makes sense, but on the other hand, part of me keeps saying the more people involved the less likely it is everything remains hush hush. I am going to assume neither TS nor MAS told LE who was involved at this "party". It would seem to me their easy out would have been to LE "We didn't do it. We dropped her off with X, Y and Z and left." If that's the case, either there was no sex party or it would seem to me those at the "party" are just a complicit because why else would TS and MAS try to protect them. Unfortunately, it all leads right back to me scratching my head for answers.

Regarding an after hours private party, a few possibilities exist:

1. When they walked into the club, their intention was to find a murder victim. There was no party. MAS made it up to lure one of the dancers.

2. There was a party, but on the way, something happened between JL, TS, and MAS. What? No clue.

3. The three attended the party, left together, and something went wrong on the ride home. An argument over fees paid -- whether money, drugs, or both -- became violent. (Knife wound to the chest)

4. Jaren died at the party. Others are involved, but TS and MAS aren't talking.

It always leads back to the other dancer. Exactly what did MAS tell her??? Did she say, "Joe Big Bucks is having a little party tonight. The money's good." Or, "There's a private get together over on the coast later. Can you make it?" Something she said must hold a clue.

So maybe LE does know where they went, and since they seem focused on only TS and MAS, maybe they've confirmed that JL left alive, which would eliminate No. 4. No. 1 means they brazenly paraded into that club in front of witnesses and surveillance cameras knowing they would walk out arm in arm with their murder victim. I think they're both nuts, but not that stupid. No. 2 is a possibility, but the more I think about it, the more I like scenario No. 3. JMO

 

[bessie]

Taking the three-day weekend to catch up recent posts. Unless something comes back from the FBI to change the location of Jaren's murder and discovery of her remains, it sounds like the charges will be coming from Hancock, MS or one of the nearby counties on the MS coast. I'm not sure if NOLA's DA Cannizaro can charge MAS and TS with anything other than transporting Jaren across state lines for the purpose of an (illegal) sex party, or if there were illegal drug transactions that took place before they left city limits with her, but I have to believe that the only reason they ended up in MS was because the "party" was there, as was the scene of Jaren's murder.

If MAS and TS murdered Jaren in or around NOLA, it would not have made sense to take the drive to MS and risk being stopped by LE or ID'd by any other bystanders. If they killed her in LA, they could have disposed of her body in so many remote areas inside of the LA state line and maybe even would have delayed the discovery of it had they done so. It seems the "party" and murder must have been in MS for Jaren's remains to have washed ashore where they did.

Having worked in one of NOLA's most popular restaurants for locals and tourists in college, I know there is an incredible amount of drug-use and alcohol abuse in many restaurants, bars, and clubs in NOLA. Some lend themselves to more of one or both than others. I've lost count of how many good people I had worked with who OD'd in the company of "friends," and unfortunately, how many students I've had in 20 years of teaching who have done the same. After Katrina, NOLA had an epidemic of high school and college students, sons and daughters of prominent doctors and business owners in our city, who were battling heroine addictions and lost the fight. Those, some college students themselves, caught selling and supplying drugs to these young victims were slapped with harsh sentences.

I still believe that Jaren accepted the offer to join MAS and TS for a "private party" where she would be paid as a dancer-possibly with drugs and/or cash- because she was comfortable with them and had worked theses parties before. I think it's quite possible that Jaren decided she was not going to close the deal, or she had a bad reaction to drugs they were using, and was stabbed as she tried to defend herself, or in a panic by someone with her who didn't know what to do with a drugged dancer (escorted across state lines for a sex party, possibly in an offer of prostitution, with illegal drugs involved.)

What do you do when you (MAS and TS) are both doped up, and one of you is hiding from an RSO criminal record behind a mountain of aliases, with the other one so incapacitated that she believes she has married a man who is now using her last name as his, and you've killed someone? In a drugged panic, do you do the same thing a "friend" had done six years before?

It seems as though this case should be a lot easier to solve than it is, but why hasn't it? What are the other dancers, club owners, French Quarter regulars hiding? Who are they protecting? Why is it taking so long to bring justice to Jaren?

Re the bolded: Maybe I should retract my statement about the two not being "stupid". lol

I think the locals have provided information. They usually do, just not openly. My question is this, is NOPD cooperating fully with HCSO? I would hope so, but you never know.

 

[bessie]

BBM.. I am fairly sure that the murder did not occur in the house in Kenner (Jefferson Parish). My grams house is 4 blocks from there and I watched as the police were there and they were in that house a day or less and then left and it was not secured with crime scene tape. If there had been any evidence of Jaren being there, surely they would have stayed longer and secured the scene.

The Kenner house was in the opposite direction from Mississippi where Jaren's body was located. It seems likely they picked up Jaren and headed east (the house was to the west about 30 minutes or more away). New Orleans East is notoriously deserted since Katrina and there are lots of empty places and spaces, then there are camps beyond there and then Mississippi.

Believe me, I am so frustrated by the lack of progress in this case.

I don't think the murder occurred in Kenner, either, but remember how LE seemed very interested in a particular area of the backyard. I still wonder why.

 

[Ms. Shagwell]

Re the bolded: Maybe I should retract my statement about the two not being "stupid". lol

I think the locals have provided information. They usually do, just not openly. My question is this, is NOPD cooperating fully with HCSO? I would hope so, but you never know.

I agree. Both are crazy enough to have been part of any of the four scenarios Bessie listed. I'm just surprised that with all the stupidity that seems to follow them there wasn't more obvious evidence left behind-i.e. videos, eyewitness sightings, cell phone logs, etc.

As for locals and NOPD fully cooperating, I hope Bessie is right. I'm sure NOLA media is keeping as much negative press hush (esp. about the Quarter) until all the national focus on Super Bowl and Mardi Gras is over.

I came across an interesting forum for dancers last night when I was searching for older news reports where FQ dancers were interviewed or quoted (about Jaren's case). I'll send the thread to Bessie for verification because I can't seem to get the link to go to the thread that was listed in the internet search. The forum is "Stripper Web" and the thread is "Missing Girls in New Orleans." The posts start shortly after Jaren's remains were discovered and TS and MAS were ID'd and arrested in connection with her disappearance. The dancers who post on the thread are from around the country. Those in the NOLA area had heard about Jaren's murder as well as Hillary Moulder's but they are very honest about the silence surrounding both and express doubt in the suicide ruling in Hillary's death.

What caught my attention was the number of dancers warning one another to be careful because there had been some "weird" things happening to dancers and in clubs in the Quarter. There were several references to Temptations and Barely Legal being rough clubs to work for. There were warnings of maybe five dancers missing from clubs around the time of Jaren's murder. The dancers seemed very honest about certain clubs lending themselves to criminal activity involving prostitution and drugs and how important it was to keep it clean to be safe. They seem to be very genuine and intelligent in their conversations and all were aware of the little media coverage that was being given to Jaren's case. There was surprise at how little was being talked about in the FQ. One dancer expressed doubt that MAS and TS intended to murder Jaren and did not think they acted alone in the crime. There seemed to be an overwhelming agreement that the (strip) club environment in the Quarter had become unsafe even before Jaren's gruesome murder.

Ironically, it is that same statement that brought me to this group. I often think of the Temptations dancer who stood in front of me in line at KMart, returning shoes she had bought to use for her job. She explained to the cashier that she was returning them because she was quitting her job. She said it was not safe to be a dancer in the Quarter and mentioned she danced at the club with the girl whose body was found on the MS beaches. She said how young Jaren was and that she had a daughter and how sad the whole thing was. The cashier wished her luck and told her to be safe before she left. And all this was said with MAS and TS in jail, yet the dancer was still afraid of what could happen to her if she went back to her job in the FQ. I hope and pray she found a safe place to work and live and that all the girls who find themselves in her position have the courage to do the same.

The last post on the Missing Girls thread was made on 1-15-13 and it tells other dancers to go to the Justice for Jaren facebook page for updates on her case

 

[Eileen730]

Taking the three-day weekend to catch up recent posts. Unless something comes back from the FBI to change the location of Jaren's murder and discovery of her remains, it sounds like the charges will be coming from Hancock, MS or one of the nearby counties on the MS coast. I'm not sure if NOLA's DA Cannizaro can charge MAS and TS with anything other than transporting Jaren across state lines for the purpose of an (illegal) sex party, or if there were illegal drug transactions that took place before they left city limits with her, but I have to believe that the only reason they ended up in MS was because the "party" was there, as was the scene of Jaren's murder.

If MAS and TS murdered Jaren in or around NOLA, it would not have made sense to take the drive to MS and risk being stopped by LE or ID'd by any other bystanders. If they killed her in LA, they could have disposed of her body in so many remote areas inside of the LA state line and maybe even would have delayed the discovery of it had they done so. It seems the "party" and murder must have been in MS for Jaren's remains to have washed ashore where they did.

Having worked in one of NOLA's most popular restaurants for locals and tourists in college, I know there is an incredible amount of drug-use and alcohol abuse in many restaurants, bars, and clubs in NOLA. Some lend themselves to more of one or both than others. I've lost count of how many good people I had worked with who OD'd in the company of "friends," and unfortunately, how many students I've had in 20 years of teaching who have done the same. After Katrina, NOLA had an epidemic of high school and college students, sons and daughters of prominent doctors and business owners in our city, who were battling heroine addictions and lost the fight. Those, some college students themselves, caught selling and supplying drugs to these young victims were slapped with harsh sentences.

I still believe that Jaren accepted the offer to join MAS and TS for a "private party" where she would be paid as a dancer-possibly with drugs and/or cash- because she was comfortable with them and had worked theses parties before. I think it's quite possible that Jaren decided she was not going to close the deal, or she had a bad reaction to drugs they were using, and was stabbed as she tried to defend herself, or in a panic by someone with her who didn't know what to do with a drugged dancer (escorted across state lines for a sex party, possibly in an offer of prostitution, with illegal drugs involved.)

What do you do when you (MAS and TS) are both doped up, and one of you is hiding from an RSO criminal record behind a mountain of aliases, with the other one so incapacitated that she believes she has married a man who is now using her last name as his, and you've killed someone? In a drugged panic, do you do the same thing a "friend" had done six years before?

It seems as though this case should be a lot easier to solve than it is, but why hasn't it? What are the other dancers, club owners, French Quarter regulars hiding? Who are they protecting? Why is it taking so long to bring justice to Jaren?

Could it be someone other than MAS & TS?
I think one of them would have tuned on the other if offered a deal and ill bet one was offered. So could it be someone else?

Just a question.

 

[Ms. Shagwell]

I came across an interesting forum for dancers last night when I was searching for older news reports where FQ dancers were interviewed or quoted (about Jaren's case). I'll send the thread to Bessie for verification because I can't seem to get the link to go to the thread that was listed in the internet search. The forum is "Industry Discussions"on Stripper Web and the thread is "Missing Girls in New Orleans." The posts start shortly after Jaren's remains were discovered and TS and MAS were ID'd and arrested in connection with her disappearance.

Sorry I didn't get to add this before the edit box closed. The link to the above thread (Warning- Some of the members user photos show some illustrated nudity.) is http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?174859-Missing-girls-in-new-Orleans

Wish I could go back and change spelling in prior post also. Meant heroin not heroine; although, it would be nice if more of our high school and college students had addictions to heroines:floorlaugh:

I guess considering I thought the question about MAS and TS being on Fetlife was in reference to a new synthetic drug, my above typo isn't that bad:blushing:

 

[Clodumbo]

Regarding an after hours private party, a few possibilities exist:

1. When they walked into the club, their intention was to find a murder victim. There was no party. MAS made it up to lure one of the dancers.

2. There was a party, but on the way, something happened between JL, TS, and MAS. What? No clue.

3. The three attended the party, left together, and something went wrong on the ride home. An argument over fees paid -- whether money, drugs, or both -- became violent. (Knife wound to the chest)

4. Jaren died at the party. Others are involved, but TS and MAS aren't talking.

It always leads back to the other dancer. Exactly what did MAS tell her??? Did she say, "Joe Big Bucks is having a little party tonight. The money's good." Or, "There's a private get together over on the coast later. Can you make it?" Something she said must hold a clue.

So maybe LE does know where they went, and since they seem focused on only TS and MAS, maybe they've confirmed that JL left alive, which would eliminate No. 4. No. 1 means they brazenly paraded into that club in front of witnesses and surveillance cameras knowing they would walk out arm in arm with their murder victim. I think they're both nuts, but not that stupid. No. 2 is a possibility, but the more I think about it, the more I like scenario No. 3. JMO

These news articles kind of answers your question.......

http://www.fox8live.com/story/18793...was-approached-by-suspects-in-gruesome-murder

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http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/06/persons_of_interest_in_death_o.html

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http://nolastripclubreview.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/more-trouble-on-bourbon-street/

 

[hurricaneangel]

dare we hope ?

http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news...on/-/9853400/18216322/-/12aaw6qz/-/index.html

 

[reedus23]

If you're hoping they're transferring him back to Mississippi to be charged, don't get your hopes too high. While it's possible and I hope so, he was just sentenced in federal court on federal charges and is therefore going to prison in a federal prison.

 

[Breazy]

If you're hoping they're transferring him back to Mississippi to be charged, don't get your hopes too high. While it's possible and I hope so, he was just sentenced in federal court on federal charges and is therefore going to prison in a federal prison.

There is a federal prison in Mississippi... just sayin... (with some hope they want to keep him close)!

Always checking in for Justice for Jaren!!!

 

[Clodumbo]

There is a federal prison in Mississippi... just sayin... (with some hope they want to keep him close)!

Always checking in for Justice for Jaren!!!

That would be nice, however TS was never charged for the murder of Jaren Lockhart. He's only a "suspect" in the eyes of the law. However, it was proven that TS did commit a sex crime in North Carolina with a underage girl, so he will have to stay there. I would have to agree with reedus23 on this one, he's not coming to a federal prison in Mississippi. That would be nice though!

Personally, I am totally sick on how this case is going. The circumstantial evidence against MAS & TS is overwhelming! The wheels of justice is not moving quick enough.

In the meantime, MAS is living a new life where nobody knows her - I'm guessing in New Mexico or somewhere? She's probably using an alias name.

 

[The Cheese]

Leslie Sargent, 27, was last heard from on Saturday via an email with a friend. She hasn't been seen or heard from since.

Sargent's mother told police that her daughter sometimes works in gentlemen's clubs in the French Quarter and New Orleans East.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/Missing-NO-woman-sought-187990611.html

 

[Duckman]

I attended high school with Leslie. I had noticed she was missing from my friends facebook page which I immediately shared only to notice according to her facebook she was located. I too thought of the possibility of somehow being related to the Jaren case. Still no word of what happened. Anyone notice anything from MAS lately?