Laura Babcock Murder Trial 12.06.17 - Closing Arguments - Day 2

[JuneBug67]

I'm feeling the same way here. The only thing I can think of is the pet cremation business is the narrative he's trying to get the jury to believe is what MS thinks the incinerator is for. Moo

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It critically disconnects Smich from the incinerator as part of a plan. That is key in my mind to making what he did after with regard to incineration irrelevant to a murder conviction. If he's part of a plan on the other hand, the incineration is an element of that murder.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I actually believe MS had no clue that bag belonged to LB.

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But it had her name tag on it.


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[canadiangirl]

But it had her name tag on it.


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Yes and it was hidden in the bottom.. I actually feel that was a surprise to everyone in this trial. I don't think anyone expected her name to be there. Moo

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[DeaconBrodie]

I want to hear what he has to say about the rap and the conversation in the garage.

That is the real evidence against his client that makes it real for the jury.

 

[loveisthemovement]

The speed, clarity and conciseness of Adam Carter's tweets is impressive. He is quite the journalist.

Thanks to those working on tweets!!

 

[canadiangirl]

I want to hear what he has to say about the rap and the conversation in the garage.

That is the real evidence against his client that makes it real for the jury.

I feel that's after the fact stuff....

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[Tealgrove]

But it had her name tag on it.


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Her name was tucked into a little pocket. I don't think they knew it was there. Sucks to be them.

 

[Tealgrove]

I want to hear what he has to say about the rap and the conversation in the garage.

That is the real evidence against his client that makes it real for the jury.

Obviously leaving that to the end. He needs that to be his big finale and what the Jury will remember. It will be interesting to see how he explains that away.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

It critically disconnects Smich from the incinerator as part of a plan. That is key in my mind to making what he did after with regard to incineration irrelevant to a murder conviction. If he's part of a plan on the other hand, the incineration is an element of that murder.

Excellent point. I understand now. Thank you.


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[saulgoodman]

Dungey is making it clear, that we are not dealing with Rocket Scientists

 

[canadiangirl]

Obviously leaving that to the end. He needs that to be his big finale and what the Jury will remember. It will be interesting to see how he explains that away.

You think he would have glossed over that part quickly lol

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[banting]

Well, when you are in jail for another murder and you think you got away with LB's murder, the red bag in your room and drawing anyone's attention to it might not be your first plan. Just sayin'. But well played, Dungey, in this situation.

Unfortunately will the jury will get to know that?
Was thinking about what DM said about the bag, that it could have been left him with years before when they were in a relationship. If it was, I would have thought that someone, e.g. AM, would have seen it but it was not mentioned. Equally though I would also have thought that one of the witnesses who saw LB just before she disappeared like SL or the guy who let her stay at his place or the lady who rescued her from the park bench would have been able to identify the bag as one she had with her, but none was asked to do that, iirc.

 

[EspressoBean]

The bag name tag was one of the ones that you pull out the insert from the tag to see the name. I don't think MS was one to regularly put his name on things other than things like overpasses. I doubt he knew her name was there.

 

[Jasper52]

I respect the effort Dungey is putting out on behalf of his client, and it's his obligation as a defence lawyer, but - it still sickens me to know that he is well aware of the circumstances that incinerator has been used for in the case of TB.

I really don't like the way Dungey is attacking the victim here. I don't think the jury will like it either. JMO

 

[EspressoBean]

Unfortunately will the jury will get to know that?

Not during this trial. Thus my "well played, Dungey"

 

[Typhoo1961]

The bag name tag was one of the ones that you pull out the insert from the tag to see the name. I don't think MS was one to regularly put his name on things other than things like overpasses. I doubt he knew her name was there.

MS likely found out it was there when it was shown to the court.

 

[EspressoBean]

I really don't like the way Dungey is attacking the victim here. I don't think the jury will like it either. JMO

Really? How so? I found DM clearly attacked the victim. Dungey seems to be presenting her as intelligent but vulnerable, IMO.

 

[canadiangirl]

The bag name tag was one of the ones that you pull out the insert from the tag to see the name. I don't think MS was one to regularly put his name on things other than things like overpasses. I doubt he knew her name was there.

Hahaha this made me laugh. Overpasses

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[EspressoBean]

MS likely found out it was there when it was shown to the court.

I think he likely found out through evidence submissions that his lawyer would have been shown before trial. I can imagine him shaking his head.....oh *(#$!

 

[Loki001]

I sincerely believe that you are conducting some sort of experiment with this group. MOO.


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Or that Night is a resident of some highly peculiar meta-universe where an alternate paradigm exists....