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I just think these 2 don't have the experience to deal with someone like Jodi.

It really has nothing to do with a sex crime. :twocents:

They are not the people they represent. Also, please don't presume that all people accused of being pedophiles, rapists and abusers are guilty of being those things. Sometimes defense teams really are defending innocent clients.

Their client JA is definitely guilty of premeditated murder in this case, for sure.
 
I guess my question is: Does Juan have evidence from the gas station that it was gas she purchased and from Walmart that there were no gas cans returned?

I think we'll find out shortly in response to the defense motion to compel and the testimony of the Tesoro and Wal-mart reps Juan put on the State's witness list within the last two weeks or so
 
Snoozefest...no one else noticed. Seriously? It was discussed here until I nearly spontaneously combusted! There ain't nothing worth mentioning in any eyeball picture of Travis's. it's like Jesus toast.

BOMBSHELL! NG is the one responsible for that little resurrection! It's Pareidolia , nothing more. nothing less.



Pareidolia (pron.: /pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-doh-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse.
The word comes from the Greek words para (παρά, "beside, alongside, instead") in this context meaning something faulty, wrong, instead of; and the noun eidōlon (εἴδωλον "image, form, shape") the diminutive of eidos. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia, seeing patterns in random data.
 
I guess my question is: Does Juan have evidence from the gas station that it was gas she purchased and from Walmart that there were no gas cans returned?

There will be a witnesses from both Walmart and Tesoro in his rebuttal so I would say yes.
 
After all of the hubbub of the last few days with The Violent Sex Offender Specialist Doctor-For-Hire who advertises his promise to defense attorneys of a "favorable outcome" aka "buy a diagnosis", I have just a few random thoughts that I haven't included in other posts.

Dr Duh Duck said on day 1 or 2 that JA was sticking to the ninja story until *he AND Nuuuuuurrrrrrrrmi* had a meeting and went to see her together iin 2010 but he was very quickly cut off by JW. He referred to this meeting and visit at least twice and JW was shooting daggers at him like "STFU about going together to see her and then she changed her story!!!" This time also was contemporaneous with JA firing Nuuuuurrrrrrrmi and deciding to represent herself and attempting to submit the forged pedophile letters to the court,

In opening statements, JW claimed that in the downstairs office during the supposed CD incident that JA was forced to submit to *vaginal* sex after TA allegedly screamed and yelled at her and yanked her around and twisted her arm behind her back. Generally, given alllll the sextalk in these proceeedings, it would be understandable if one was to get their orifices mixed up but this was during OPENING STATEMENTS, where it is kinda sorta important to be accurate and clear, dontcha think??

BTW I think the whole CD story is BS, he was so sick of her and wanted her out of his life for the horrible things that she had done to him and his friends and who knows who else, he had figured her out. There is no reason at all to believe that he would be asking for her to bring or send him 2 CDs full of pix of HER and him together to keep as mementos. SHE would think like that, but generally guys aren't that sentimental. Even if the CD story is partially true (which it isn't) and she brought them, when he put them into the pc and they didn't work, it definitely wouldn't have driven him into a rage, duh.:facepalm:

In any case, JA testi-lied that at the time of the fake office incident that most of her stuff was already packed in her car, that Travis had helped her take it out. I think she said she only had her purse still in the house, downstairs. Like 99.9% of everything else she says, what happens next DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!! :furious:Any woman who has just been brutalized, screamed and yelled at by a man in a rage and practically raped anally is going to grab her purse and get out of there as soon as she can. She's not going to hannnnnng around like a bad smell after he leaves to go upstairs and then come up with the idea to go up and suggest taking some sexy shower pix of the man who just did that. Unless she is planning to kill him in the shower.

Some Phoenix furniture company that wants some free advertisement should send a Barcolounger into the courtroom for Nuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrmi. He is just not getting enough rest. Yesterday he seemed *so* aggravated when he had to actually get up from his chair and walk 5 steps to sidebar about 15 times. He needs to be more comfy while he's drilling his nostrils and dreaming about how he's going to be as good as Juan Martinez when he grows up. And seriously, WTF is growing on his face??? Has he just thrown in the towel and given up to such a degree that he doesn't even bother to shave now???? Yuck, a pig in a beard. Maybe he's trying to grow something to hide behind. :p


PinxJinx - IMO, the CD/office story was concocted by Jodi to cover her tracks in the office and nearby bathroom. The devil is in the details, she testified that she attempted to help him with the "problematic" CD - I believe she did in fact access his computer, I do not believe he was present.

The elaborate story also includes her "cleaning herself up" in the bathroom - while I would not put it past Jodi to shower over Travis' body in the shower - I have always wondered if the post-slaughter shower was in that bathroom versus the master bathroom. IIRC, there were trace amounts of blood found there as well.

* Newbie here, fingers crossed that I have done this correctly!
 
There is nothing wrong with discussing the possible symbolism of blood in sleuthing a murder. Spilled blood as atonement for sin has a long history stretching back thousands of years across continents and across religions. The Mayans practiced human sacrifice with the blood being allowed to cascade down the steps of the Mayan pyramids. The symbolism of blood has morphed over the centuries and we see it in Orthodox Jewish practices and in Catholic and Protestant communion where the blood of Jesus is symbolized and consumed in the wine.

Discussing blood atonement in early Mormonism is no different than discussing The Inquisition - it is history and is not done today. Correct me if I am wrong, but we cannot learn about from the past if we do not allow free speech concerning our history.

There are plenty of murderers who kill for religious reasons and this does not cast aspersions on religion, rather we understand that these people are deranged. In my opinion, which I expressed in another post, I believe Arias has a blood phobia and was enraged that Travis' murder made such a mess. If she dropped the knife and screamed, it was at his thwarting her neat plan to enjoy stabbing him and seeing his pain while not having to mop up or see blood.

There is no evidence that she cared about Travis atoning for anything, no evidence that she was anything but a religious opportunist. IMO, she liked the glitz of the PPL conventions, the hot hot parties and the instant acceptance she received there as a middle class or upper middle class person as opposed to the lower class parasite she really was.

There is no need to bash exMormons or anyone else conducting a reasonable discussion of blood atonement in the West or in the East, the past or in the present as it might relate to a murder in question.

We are all after the same thing--justice for Travis.



Blood atonement is a complete red herring regarding the JA case.

Like any intelligent murderer JA wanted to dispatch TA with finality.
Many people(myself included) reason that if murder is the aim why not use the most efficient means to achieve this end. Shooting TA in the head while he was confined in a shower stall is a priori the best possible method.
Using a knife to effectuate the murder of TA is uncertain and inherently unsafe.

It stands to reason that JA could have shot TA in the head to incapacitate him and then proceeded to attack with a knife. TA obviously defended himself with a certain but otherwise unknown amount of vigor. JA could NOT have known how an initial knife attack on TA would have turned out. In the knife first theory TA could have just as easily disarmed and overpowered JA – since he was bigger stronger and more agile than JA.
It also stands to reason that JA did NOT anticipate a blood bath or the need to slice TA throat.

There is NO reason to believe that JA had a “blood lust”. TA delivered some 4-5 liters of his own warm blood onto the bathroom and bedroom floor plus whatever amount got washed down in the shower stall. This situation presented itself truly as a “HOT MESS”.
It is somewhat of a mystery why JA chose to “clean up the scene”. She certainly had no desire to hide the nature of death. The only reason why she would “clean” is to expunge any evidence of her presence at the crime scene namely fingerprints, hair fibers, any lingering DNA residue, and her own blood splatter.

[If I had been JA and was bent on murdering TA with a knife alone I would have used GLOVES].

The motivation behind the RAGE and or PANIC knife thrashes is purely speculation. She certainly could have “enjoyed” the knife thrusts as a source of revenge. But this “enjoyment” is pure luxury when one is in the heat of battle where one or the other is likely to die in the outcome.
I subscribe though to the panic reaction theory, I think JA shot him first and he did NOT die immediately, I suspect she shot again and true to the Ninja Story the gun jammed. She panicked . She had access to her knife and she began flailing indiscriminately at JA front side and then his back side. Because TA simply would NOT die on the spot JA opted for the coup de grace by attempting decapitation. This scenario comports nicely with the crime scene blood splatter pattern on the bathroom tile and sink.
 
That's pathetic that somebody would a) sell them and b) buy them.

I agree.....check this out

Jodi Arias - Original Drawing - Colored Pencil on Cardboard - L@@K

Price:US $1,899.00


You are bidding on a beautiful hand-drawn horse portrait by artist Jodi Arias. See scans. Artwork is done with colored-pencil on cardboard. This item was obtained via an Arias family member. The cardboard is actually from the back of a yellow-legal pad. Item is approximately 8 1/2" X 11". Has artist signature "Arias 2010" on front. Artwork is in excellent shape. Drawing is entitled "Equine". Also on back of artwork - written in artists hand are the words "Equine" and "By Jodi Ann Arias October 2010". This is a "Buy It Now" auction. Shipping, handling and insurance is a flat $20.00. I accept paypal only. I ship to the USA only.
 
I had HLN on watching Dr. D, went to take a bath, and when I came back Vinny was on HLN After Dark. The ONE thing I heard him say before I turned it off was:

"If you could actually SEE the size of the bathroom and hall, you would realize how impossible Arias' story really is."
I remember those who went to the site in the FL case saying the same thing. I know Juan probably can't do a mock-up like HLN did, but I wish they could do a field trip. I think seeing it and being there would be enough stimulation to relive the things they've seen and heard, and would tip them over the edge to a DP verdict.
 
Please no attacking because I am pretty sure everyone knows I am completely on the side that I want JA to get the DP...but I have to ask this.....I am just now listening to yesterday's cross of Dr. Samuels by JM and I love JM but does anyone think that he possibly could have been a little less attacking of him. I believe it is obvious to most that he is/was completely disorganized and extremely ill prepared and, imo, inappropriate at times....but I think everyone can pick up on that without JM being so aggresive. I do not want ANYONE to think some of the doctors discombubulation has come from this cross. Just not sure he needed to be so aggresive....again, JMO and not even sure I believe this way, just afraid some of the jurors might.
 
Still trying to catch up, but . . . One of the best parts of yesterday's trial for me was when JM and DS got in an argument about whether compassion and sympathy are the same thing. JM whips out a xeroxed copy of the definition of compassion from Webster's Dictionary. The DT would never be that prepared in a month of Sundays. What a guy!
 
I agree.....check this out

Jodi Arias - Original Drawing - Colored Pencil on Cardboard - L@@K

Price:US $1,899.00


You are bidding on a beautiful hand-drawn horse portrait by artist Jodi Arias. See scans. Artwork is done with colored-pencil on cardboard. This item was obtained via an Arias family member. The cardboard is actually from the back of a yellow-legal pad. Item is approximately 8 1/2" X 11". Has artist signature "Arias 2010" on front. Artwork is in excellent shape. Drawing is entitled "Equine". Also on back of artwork - written in artists hand are the words "Equine" and "By Jodi Ann Arias October 2010". This is a "Buy It Now" auction. Shipping, handling and insurance is a flat $20.00. I accept paypal only. I ship to the USA only.
im sorry but i would never buy anything from her murderous hands. people who purchase murderabila are sick. why anyone would purchase anything from the demon is sick. i remember hearing that mum mum tore up jodi's drawing when she found out jodi killed travis.
 
I read last night on the Jodi site that the Tesero reciept and Walmart were thrown out b/c it didn't match juan's story or something like that. Does anyone know about those things?
Then why would the Prosection have added rebuttal witnesses from Tesoro and Walmart ?
 
Please no attacking because I am pretty sure everyone knows I am completely on the side that I want JA to get the DP...but I have to ask this.....I am just now listening to yesterday's cross of Dr. Samuels by JM and I love JM but does anyone think that he possibly could have been a little less attacking of him. I believe it is obvious to most that he is/was completely disorganized and extremely ill prepared and, imo, inappropriate at times....but I think everyone can pick up on that without JM being so aggresive. I do not want ANYONE to think some of the doctors discombubulation has come from this cross. Just not sure he needed to be so aggresive....again, JMO and not even sure I believe this way, just afraid some of the jurors might.



I find myself getting very nervous when he does that-like he is going too far. Sometimes I can't listen b/c I feel like he might be blowing it. I KNOW he is passionate but he could tone it down a little and get his point across.
 
I don't know anything about Tesoro, but Walmart has had an incredibly detailed inventory system for years. They mine their own data for restocking and to predict future sales. They can predict how many packs of gum will be sold at a specific store on a particular afternoon. And iirc, the Walmart transaction was paid with a credit card. they will reiterate their policy of not giving cash back for items paid for with a credit card--they will only credit the account.
 
Then why would the Prosection have added rebuttal witnesses from Tesoro and Walmart ?



I was not sure if this actually was the case or not. I read lots of different things by different people and a lot of time people speculate-that is why I am trying to find out if we know that for sure. If what you said it true without a doubt than that is awesome!
 
I wonder if his reports are always favorable to the client or defendant. And how many pedophiles/rapists have walked since he seems to know Nurmi so well.

That is exactly what I have been wondering. I'm disgusted by the thought of him giving his "expert opinion" of sex offenders. I personally do not think a sex offender can be rehabilitated and therefore wouldn't care to hear a favorable evaluation from the good Dr. regarding one.
 
I am curious, I am many teams of attorneys were assigned from the PD office were assigned to JA case before Nurmi/JW came on? (and before they even wanted to get off or just was it Nurmi wanting out of the deal?)

TIA
Here's a history of the DT's on Arias's case.

http://www./show/laiqem
 
Still trying to catch up, but . . . One of the best parts of yesterday's trial for me was when JM and DS got in an argument about whether compassion and sympathy are the same thing. JM whips out a xeroxed copy of the definition of compassion from Webster's Dictionary. The DT would never be that prepared in a month of Sundays. What a guy!

I just watched it this morning! :lol: I also found it amusing when Nurmi stormed over to JM's table and grabbed it! He was sooooo mad! :lol:

I do believe the doc has/had sympathy for her!
 
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