long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

[Allyne Smithe]

Interesting read... gives a perspective on how one thinks about this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tanya-young-williams/post_4575_b_2979512.html

Hmm, the headline doesn't support the survey results at all. The survey results point to Guilty of Murder in the First Degree--by a BIG margin--but by a slim 2% margin--50% vs. 48%--believe she won't be sentenced to death. Just what most observers have predicted all along.

The headline claims Acquittal Not Death Likely, but when you read the detailed results, 94% of respondents believe she is Guilty, 84% believe she will be found Guilty of Murder in the First Degree, only 20% believe she will be found Guilty of Murder in the Second Degree, and 48% believe she will be sentenced to death vs 50% who don't believe she will be sentenced to death.

Nowhere in the survey is acquittal even mentioned, and by the responses to the individual survey questions, respondents didn't believe Travis was a pedophile, didn't believe he was lying about his feelings for Jodi, believed Jodi enjoyed her sexual exploits more than Travis enjoyed his, and believed Jodi was stalking Travis.

The headline appears to be an editing error, not the conclusion of the author.

 

[Thurston]

I was just thinking about how much ALV pi$$ed me off when she was talking about how DV is inaccurately portrayed in movies.

EVERYTHING is inaccurately portrayed in movies.

So friggin' dumb.

I hope the jury feels the same.

I agree! And, what point exactly is LaViolette trying to make? Move Stars do not live up to "Hollywood" status in their normal life. In movies and photography - actors are airbrushed, have fake hair in, a makeup artist spends time applying an actors makeup.

LaViolette isn't on the stand to give a lecture. She is there as a witness in a murder case - would Laviolette be able to say something such as:

A lot of women are abused because as children decorative items for females tend to be fairies, unicorns, and fairy tales about princes . Between fairies, unicorns, and fairy tale princes - all things that are not real - women easily and often go into a made up universe - in this made up universe an abused woman could stab someone hundreds of times, and, shoot the same person hundreds of time. I understand that the abuse Arias suffered caused her to only stab Travis Alexander between 27 & 29 times and shoot him one time - believing it is not happening."

LaViolette's testimony about movies based on domestic violence - does not make any sense to me. Can a defense expert witness say anything? Could LaViolette describe how Arias has many of the core characteristics of humans that get abducted by outer space aliens - so it is possible that Arias murdered Travis Alexander because Arias was being controlled by a space alien chip?

I did not appreciate LaViolette's testimony - she seemed to be giving more of a lecture than testimony. Also, I did not understand what LaViolette's testimony is supposed to accomplish.

LaViolette
"I have the continuum in my head - it's something I think about when determining if a person is in an abusive relationship. I have read a lot of people in the field writings. Speaking to women and their perpetrators - implying that only women are victims of domestic violence - these women are concerned the way that abuse is portrayed in the movies. If you look at the media portrayals of domestic violence - and I of three movies that one just came out this summer 'The Burning Bed,' 'Sleeping with the Enemy,' and 'Enough,' and one that just came out staring Julianne Hough.

Now, with these movies you have a very popular actress and a lesser known male actor that plays the abuser. What winds up happening is that you see these lesser known actors playing the abuser and they are very one dimensional. I actually don't think that they would really have partners if they acted like this all of the time. Most people do not fit into the pure good and pure evil of these movies."

 

[rose222]

Good Morning & Happy Easter,

rose I think yes reason being is what you say here about all the questions and attentivness even during the boring idiotic Samuels. They never fell asleep as far as we know.

But I have a question, I know this is a longgggg trial, why is this jury not sequestered? You can't possibly tell me that when they go home they do not see/hear something of this quite popular trial?

Happy Easter!

I think that is precisely the reason that this jury is not sequestered. It is a long trial. It would be very difficult for the jurors to be basically locked up in their rooms for such an extended period of time. This jury gets to go home each evening and maintain a semblance of normalcy for atleast part of the day.

I really don't know how the Scott Peterson jurors managed being sequestered for so long. I think 6 months or more? Kudos to them.

 

[Schuby]

Here is a screen grab, rotated, of what Detective Flores showed Jodi what he called the first photo of her and TA at 5:22, "that's when it started." I believe it's the top photo on this page with 3 photos. Not that it's hard to make out or anything.

View attachment 31399

Oh. Hello.

 

[Schuby]

Happy Easter!

I think that is precisely the reason that this jury is not sequestered. It is a long trial. It would be very difficult for the jurors to be basically locked up in their rooms for such an extended period of time. This jury gets to go home each evening and maintain a semblance of normalcy for atleast part of the day.

I really don't know how the Scott Peterson jurors managed being sequestered for so long. I think 6 months or more? Kudos to them.

I don't think they realized how extremely high profile the case would become.

 

[deedee21]

Det. Flores showed Jodi a picture of Travis lying on the floor. She said " thats not my foot. Thats Travis's bathroom". She did not say one word about Travis laying on the floor bleeding.

 

[minor4th]

Interesting read... gives a perspective on how one thinks about this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tanya-young-williams/post_4575_b_2979512.html

I don't see anything in that article that suggests anyone thinks she'll be acquitted .... and I don't particularly like Tanya Young

 

[deedee21]

Seems like it but I can't even tell when she is faking anymore. The woman is made of lies. They come out of her every pore.

You have to take everything she says and drop it into a sifter.

 

[deedee21]

Wow! I enlarged the picture and I can see exactly what you are saying. It definitely looks like both legs. You can see the line between the two pant legs, and the seamlines on the hems change an angles. Good catch! I think it it too dark to see her right foot (and also may be the position the foot may be in) and we can see her left foot. The right leg is forefront of the picture and the left leg and left foot is next to Travis. Geesh! The more you examine the pics the more you see! It looks like she is standing perpendicular to him and pulling up his right arm.

Shes a monster. She belongs in isolation.

 

[The Farm]

Wow! I enlarged the picture and I can see exactly what you are saying. It definitely looks like both legs. You can see the line between the two pant legs, and the seamlines on the hems change an angles. Good catch! I think it it too dark to see her right foot (and also may be the position the foot may be in) and we can see her left foot. The right leg is forefront of the picture and the left leg and left foot is next to Travis. Geesh! The more you examine the pics the more you see! It looks like she is standing perpendicular to him and pulling up his right arm.

Huh? Help me out here, how do you see this? What is the blue strip in the picture, maybe I can go from there?

 

[crz4mm2]

Looking at that photo, for the first time I see what appears to be Travis' left hand/thumb on his right bicep. Or I have had too much coffee. jmo

I would love to see this. I agree, he'll work the bias thing in, and the fact that she knew nothing about Travis except for what JA told her, or through e-mails, texts, whatever. I wish that we could see that "Travis was abusive" e-mail, but really, I think it's a case of more cherry-picking by the defense.

More than anything, I wish this trial would just hurry up and be done with. I can't stand listening to the defense happily dragging Travis through the mud. I am angry and sad and exhausted for his loved ones. I'm ready for justice to be done, ready for this killer to stop getting the attention she loves so much, ready for the circus to leave town and for his family to be able to breathe.

:floorlaugh:

To avoid a parallel discussion regarding interrogation tapes I moved some posts over to that thread... just a heads up in case you are looking for a post..

Unedited Police Interrogation Videos of Jodi - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Karma in that its the wedding ring finger that is all messed up and never in a condition to get on and wear one

I was just over in the court observers thread and Kaddy Wonders noticed this and I had to piece it together in my mind. So I did so by making a Youtube video to explain it to myself. I made the video for casual court room observers as well as fanatic trial watchers. I totally missed this during JM's cross of JA.

Jodi Arias Trial - Did Jodi shoot or stab first - YouTube

THanks. THis really helps me understand. I was having a heck of a time trying to figure out that picture.

 

[NIN]

I was just over in the court observers thread and Kaddy Wonders noticed this and I had to piece it together in my mind. So I did so by making a Youtube video to explain it to myself. I made the video for casual court room observers as well as fanatic trial watchers. I totally missed this during JM's cross of JA.

Jodi Arias Trial - Did Jodi shoot or stab first - YouTube

Thank you very Much! Great video! The only criticism I have is that the foot arrow is pointing to Travis' foot, not JA's.

 

[indycornstalk]

I have a serious question. Do you all REALLY think that juries that are NOT sequestered follow the admonitions to NOT watch TV, NOT read the news and any other forms of media when they are taking part in in trials? Especially high profile cases like the Arias Case? If they did watch the news, could it proven? With all the digital media now, it would be easily tracked. Just curious what you all think?

 

[Steely Dan]

Thank you very Much! Great video! The only criticism I have is that the foot arrow is pointing to Travis' foot, not JA's.

I don't understand how his body could be twisted in that position for it to be his foot? :waitasec: The arrow appears to be pointing to a blood stain to me.

 

[VALee]

I was just over in the court observers thread and Kaddy Wonders noticed this and I had to piece it together in my mind. So I did so by making a Youtube video to explain it to myself. I made the video for casual court room observers as well as fanatic trial watchers. I totally missed this during JM's cross of JA.

Jodi Arias Trial - Did Jodi shoot or stab first - YouTube

Morning Steely! 2 things I noticed with this:

1. The foot arrow is pointing up at Travis' foot, so is correctly oriented. That said, another left pointing arrow should be there for JA's foot.
2. I think JM switches the photo back to the blurry ceiling shot before saying this had to occur before you shot him, and she says correct. It's quick and hard to tell, I had to look closely at the photos as they were laid out on top of the magnifier, he puts 161 down first, then lays 162 on top of it, then moves 162 back out of the way to reveal 161 again.

 

[Steely Dan]

I have a serious question. Do you all REALLY think that juries that are NOT sequestered follow the admonitions to NOT watch TV, NOT read the news and any other forms of media when they are taking part in in trials? Especially high profile cases like the Arias Case? If they did watch the news, could it proven? With all the digital media now, it would be easily tracked. Just curious what you all think?

Yes, when I was on a jury I did. I'm not saying it was anywhere near the magnitude of this trial, but I took it seriously. IMO, if you sequester a jury for a month or more you get a KC verdict. They just want to get the hades out of there.

Morning Steely! 2 things I noticed with this:

1. The foot arrow is pointing up at Travis' foot, so is correctly oriented. That said, another left pointing arrow should be there for JA's foot.
2. I think JM switches the photo back to the blurry ceiling shot before saying this had to occur before you shot him, and she says correct. It's quick and hard to tell, I had to look closely at the photos as they were laid out on top of the magnifier, he puts 161 down first, then lays 162 on top of it, then moves 162 back out of the way to reveal 161 again.

Watch it again. I think it's the foot photo she says had to occur first.

 

[minor4th]

I was just over in the court observers thread and Kaddy Wonders noticed this and I had to piece it together in my mind. So I did so by making a Youtube video to explain it to myself. I made the video for casual court room observers as well as fanatic trial watchers. I totally missed this during JM's cross of JA.

Jodi Arias Trial - Did Jodi shoot or stab first - YouTube

I noticed this when the testimony was actually happening so I went back and watched that video segment several times.

I think when Juan asked if "this" must have happened before you shot him, he is referring to the dropped camera/ceiling pic - that's the photo that was on the overhead. He then places the "dragging" pic back when he's comparing the time stamps.

ETA: I see this has already been mentioned

 

[LambChop]

Those shower photos were so posed. He let her convince him to do them just like he let her convince him to do the naked photos on the bed and have sex.

I don't get why so many people are stuck on believing that he would just never do any of that. He ALWAYS did through most of the whole relationship. He knew she was stalking him, slashed his tires, snooped in his phone, email, and who knows what. He knew she was sneaking into his house and hiding in a closet or somewhere to spy on him. He knew all of this but he kept making up with her and having sex with her despite all that.

Just like usual, the day she killed him she weasled her way back into his good graces, they had sex, they took photos of each other naked, she coaxed him into the doing the shower photos, and then she killed him by a surprise attack.

Besides, Det. Flores said there were a number of other photos in the bedroom of them having sex. They've not been made public and probably weren't shown in court because they aren't necessary for trial (the naked ones are sufficient) and probably considered too pornographic. Could be that the prosecution wanted them all in as trial exhibits but the defense was able to keep them out because of their not being necessary to the case and being too pornographic. The naked photos alone were good enough for both sides to agree they had sex before she killed him, so the photos of them having sex just isn't important. And if they had sex and took naked photos of each other, than what is so impossible about his agreeing to have her take shower photos of him if she wanted to?

I think a lot of people here just can't come to grips with fact that despite what he said in that email to her that he once again succombed to her, they made up, had sex, took sex photos of each other, she convinced him to do the shower photos because that was a big part of her plan to get him trapped and vulnerable in order to kill him, and she did just that. Even in that email he wrote her calling her a sociopath, etc., etc., he STILL gave her an out... if she didn't do xyz then he would tell all those people whatever it was he was so angry about.

Isn't that what Travis normally did with his ex's? Lisa was still coming over when he had a group in. Deanna was often at his home, babysat the dog while he was away. I do not believe he wanted to make an enemy of an ex, just be friends. Jodi pushed it further when they stopped dating by offering "friends with benefits" hoping to get him back. Jodi does not know how to release an ex. She still wants to maintain control over the relationship. I think no matter how bad someone acted towards Travis he was willing to forgive and just move on. I think that is who Travis really was. He just did not want Jodi in his life. It's possible he told her that very thing on June 4th and that she needed to move on. jmo

 

[VALee]

I have a serious question. Do you all REALLY think that juries that are NOT sequestered follow the admonitions to NOT watch TV, NOT read the news and any other forms of media when they are taking part in in trials? Especially high profile cases like the Arias Case? If they did watch the news, could it proven? With all the digital media now, it would be easily tracked. Just curious what you all think?

I they do take it seriously and they are under oath. After investing this much time in it too, personally I can't see anyone wanting to do anything to jeopardize seeing the trial through. They knew on the front end the commitment and had opportunities to not be considered, and obviously some jurors did not make it through the initial screening processes for a host of reasons.

They will surely talk and catch up on the trial once it is over, and depending on the verdict, will be interesting to see if anyone changes their position once they see everything if they come back hung or with anything less than Murder One.

 

[LambChop]

I noticed this when the testimony was actually happening so I went back and watched that video segment several times.

I think when Juan asked if "this" must have happened before you shot him, he is referring to the dropped camera/ceiling pic - that's the photo that was on the overhead. He then places the "dragging" pic back when he's comparing the time stamps.

ETA: I see this has already been mentioned

Yes, I think that is what JM was saying. That the ceiling picture was before she shot him and it was 62 seconds later he is lying there with his throat cut. It is just worded very strangely. I do think defense would put her back on the stand if this were brought up to clear that up. JM was trying to point out how impossible it was in 62 seconds for her to run into the closet, jump up on the shelving, grab the gun, shoot Travis while falling on the floor, jump up find the knife and stab him 29 times, then cut his throat within that 62 second timeframe. jmo